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Post by BHollenegg on May 10, 2010 23:31:37 GMT -5
Bob, nobody should be scared of the truth, right.
BHollenegg's responses are in ITALICS .
I know you and Al are both tired of my style, I wish the ending was different, but the fact that the ending is still fake has made it so we have to take actions of our own.
If you want to spread the Truth, then quit calling the ending a fake. Please think about it...why would anyone want to keep 40,000 plus shareholders around if this is a fake? Also, if this is fake, then why keep 40,000 plus shareholders hanging on when the company have the claims?
If the ending wasn't so fake, we could be more assured.
Please provide the proof if fake...Please work with Attorney Hodges, not Against
I will not say one bad word about you or Al until the end, there is nothing bad to say, except i hate the fact the game isn't over.
Why would you plan on saying bad things about people who are doing something about getting the funds released? This is not a game.
If er comes tomorrow that is great, but lets face it, there have been a thousand tomorrows, and this could go on for months to years the way it is going. It is out of Al's hands.
Gus, Have you ever dealt with the Government at the level of funds involving Trillions of Dollars hidden in covert accounts? They have procedures, requirements, and stipulations. This is not the norm. Attorney Hodges has fought many battles and removed one obstacle after another. In Al's update he stated he could write a book. Al's has several Attorneys to assist him as required. Al has 30 plus years of professional experience in negotiations, legal matters, arbitrations as an Attorney, Arbitrator, and Judge...he is highly qualified and highly motivated to get this done. Attorney Hodges is on the front lines fighting to get the funds released...he should not have to worry about being attack on the home front. Al worked many weekends on this. If someone goes to battle for me, I will support and appreciate their contributions, not chastise, accuse, or hold them accountable for the actions of others.
We are a shareholders group who have only sought the truth, there should be nothing wrong with that.
There is nothing wrong with finding the truth. ...intentionally posting false information or going on a witch hunt are not productive, right, or justified.
I have never ever brought any harm your way my friend, just didn't happen. I only want the truth.
Gus, I provided you with the information I received at your requests, Attorney Hodges provided you what he could share at your requests, some of the plaintiffs did the same....yet you threatened us with action if it doesn't happen as scheduled. You get upset if we don't provide you information every time you check in and you get upset when we provide you information and it changes. We are all just as frustrated when there are changes that prolong the situation.
I know that the mission is still on when Al and Tyler pretend they are not on the same page, that is fake. So as someone who is only seeking the truth at this point, and not going to accept fake at this point, I have to call out the og.
"If you know this is fact and is the truth, then provide the proof. If you can't , then don't make false accusations and don't exempt yourself from the standards you expect and demand from others.".
You said that Kevin said he would eat crow if we get anything after you tried to show him the light. That to me means fake, compartmentalized, not acceptable at this point in the game.
"'Gus, you did not post the whole information. That was in Jan 2009 when We were trying to get an official confirmation. Kevin did not deny that there were funds, he said he would eat crow if we did get official confirmation. I asked Kevin on my own accord in an effort to speed up the process."
We have the right to seek the truth and to hold anyone involved accountable at this point, it is past where it should have went.
"I agree, but follow the guidelines I touched on earlier. "
Cheers my friend, in the end I will plead insanity as I was in cmkx, if that is not acceptable I don't know what is
"Thank you Gus.
BHollenegg"
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Post by yetihunter on May 11, 2010 1:05:15 GMT -5
what a soap opera this has all become...
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Post by diamondogg11 on May 11, 2010 1:19:19 GMT -5
I must say.. BHollenegg does seem level headed about this "drama"..
I am one of those shareholders who gave this "CMKX" drama a rest (for a couple years)..
I wouldn't be on the board now if it wasn't for the hope that Hodges and company might actually be making progress..
as far as I was concerned.. this investment was dead in the water..
I don't know what the truth is..
but I'm willing to let Hodges do whatever he can..
I hope Gusjarvis does the same.
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Post by transversal on May 11, 2010 1:59:58 GMT -5
what a soap opera this has all become... The only reason I'm still here! |
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Post by pootsa on May 11, 2010 9:55:54 GMT -5
I had been the same way diamond. I am confused as to why people are up in arms, unless there is some extreme desire of entitlement involved. Where exactly would we be today if Al did not take our case? We would be where we are, but without any hope at all. At least there is some hope for an ending. I believe if the team had to do it all over again they would have maintained much more secrecy, considering the reactions of many who feel entitled. I must say.. BHollenegg does seem level headed about this "drama".. I am one of those shareholders who gave this "CMKX" drama a rest (for a couple years).. I wouldn't be on the board now if it wasn't for the hope that Hodges and company might actually be making progress.. as far as I was concerned.. this investment was dead in the water.. I don't know what the truth is.. but I'm willing to let Hodges do whatever he can.. I hope Gusjarvis does the same. |
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Post by txtrainer on May 11, 2010 10:58:30 GMT -5
Since when is wanting answers entitlement? Don't be fooled into thinking that these 7 plaintiffs got together to "hire" AH by chance. AH was picked as IBM friend to select these 7 to "represent" to finish what was started. Now that explains why there is correspondence with the SH base.
As far as Gus goes this caterwauling is going nowhere fast and may have unintended consequences that may throw a monkey wrench in the progress already made. I appreciate the zeal and fervor that Gus and coalition have but really you were a tool used to get past a step in the road and now it's time for more delicate tools for the surgery at this time. Keep in mind the hammer is still in the tool belt but to go whacking away without the proof or the answers is risky. It is said that a lawyer never asks questions that he is not sure of the answers. Gus are you sure? What if you don't get any response then what? You and the coalition do what, puff up some more, pound your chest and say you better or else. Scuse me but so what? You have no teeth in this fight. The proof is not in your hands. AH says he has it but you don't. Spraying your complaints around with accusations that are not backed by anything may get you a libel suit; talk about one step back!!
Here's the deal, all IMHO of course as is all my discourse, we have been assured that 3.87T is in a trust set aside for the shareholders. This money has been collected from the bad guys to prevent prosecution by lawman. Lawman says cool we'll keep that but IBM says give it back or I will expose your corrupt *ss with this "ace-in-the-hole" I hold. Well years past and trust gains mythical status. Now AH is let loose and gathers his "plaintiffs". They push for release but are turned back so they file a suit with just enough teeth to set the crooks to scrambling. No one believes that SEC had the funds nor can they supply the release but they can point their dirty little porn filled fingers at those that can... Hmmm. So the crooks say not only do we hold your money but have scammed others as well but you'll never see it. No way we have 42t sitting around to be disbursed and you can't have yours til all get theirs. AH says you might want to pay attention to what I have in my hand. IBM was a true patriot and did not leave me with just a bluff. Well holy cow batman this guy is not kidding. In comes Barry and signs exec order allowing Interpol to operate in country outside of habeas corpus and now all the tentacles start reaching out to unintended places. Ooh wait this is getting out of hand so we will play ball but all get their fair share at same time. Well call it the dollar refunding and we (govt) will look good. Again 42T is not at the disposal of a bankrupt nation so we will try to get this organized to release this money we so conveniently "borrowed". About a hundred lies and assurances later and we have AH saying times up, we waited but you and the other co can't get your act together so release what you have and we will try to get the rest later. Let's call it incremental but we have our money and disbursement plan ready and are running out of patience. The law suit still is in effect so the clock is still ticking but time is short.
That is where I believe we are today. No way AH agrees to delay discovery without already knowing where the trusts are and having access to trustee. Hence the we are within one day work or less statement.
Gus the truth you're after should be exactly who are the bad guys and let's get proof of their misdeeds. Frizzel may know but can't and won't tell. KW is still in the dark but also can't/won't tell. Leave this part of the operation to those in the know with the expertise and ammo left to them by IBM. You'll not get the ammo cause non can be shared now. Back off please.
Of course all of the above is with due respect and appreciation to those who have worked so tirelessly and sacrificed so much.
Always only my humble opinion
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Post by pootsa on May 11, 2010 16:21:19 GMT -5
Didn't say waiting for answers is entitlement. The people who are jumping up and down, screaming and threatening are the same people who were given extra information from Al and the plaintiffs than the rest of us. The mere act of lashing out is an attempt to be brought back into the circle of inside information. That's exactly what this is, a sense of entitlement. Why now? Why push the envelope at this time instead of many months or years ago? Because some know that waving a gun in someones face could get them the information they are looking for. Where do you think this complaint is going to lead us to? It's not going to be answered, at least in a timely manner, nor before any scheduled events are to happen, if at all. It's quite frankly a waste of time, even though it is his and the "coalition's" right to do so. I wish Gus luck, but if i am Al and the plaintiffs, i would make a special effort to NEVER give Gus any information again.This is a direct attempt to get better information from Al, by using Tyler as bait. I would love the information too, but not by threats and actions being disguised as something else. IMO. The rest of your post is excellent. Since when is wanting answers entitlement? Don't be fooled into thinking that these 7 plaintiffs got together to "hire" AH by chance. AH was picked as IBM friend to select these 7 to "represent" to finish what was started. Now that explains why there is correspondence with the SH base. As far as Gus goes this caterwauling is going nowhere fast and may have unintended consequences that may throw a monkey wrench in the progress already made. I appreciate the zeal and fervor that Gus and coalition have but really you were a tool used to get past a step in the road and now it's time for more delicate tools for the surgery at this time. Keep in mind the hammer is still in the tool belt but to go whacking away without the proof or the answers is risky. It is said that a lawyer never asks questions that he is not sure of the answers. Gus are you sure? What if you don't get any response then what? You and the coalition do what, puff up some more, pound your chest and say you better or else. Scuse me but so what? You have no teeth in this fight. The proof is not in your hands. AH says he has it but you don't. Spraying your complaints around with accusations that are not backed by anything may get you a libel suit; talk about one step back!! Here's the deal, all IMHO of course as is all my discourse, we have been assured that 3.87T is in a trust set aside for the shareholders. This money has been collected from the bad guys to prevent prosecution by lawman. Lawman says cool we'll keep that but IBM says give it back or I will expose your corrupt *ss with this "ace-in-the-hole" I hold. Well years past and trust gains mythical status. Now AH is let loose and gathers his "plaintiffs". They push for release but are turned back so they file a suit with just enough teeth to set the crooks to scrambling. No one believes that SEC had the funds nor can they supply the release but they can point their dirty little porn filled fingers at those that can... Hmmm. So the crooks say not only do we hold your money but have scammed others as well but you'll never see it. No way we have 42t sitting around to be disbursed and you can't have yours til all get theirs. AH says you might want to pay attention to what I have in my hand. IBM was a true patriot and did not leave me with just a bluff. Well holy cow batman this guy is not kidding. In comes Barry and signs exec order allowing Interpol to operate in country outside of habeas corpus and now all the tentacles start reaching out to unintended places. Ooh wait this is getting out of hand so we will play ball but all get their fair share at same time. Well call it the dollar refunding and we (govt) will look good. Again 42T is not at the disposal of a bankrupt nation so we will try to get this organized to release this money we so conveniently "borrowed". About a hundred lies and assurances later and we have AH saying times up, we waited but you and the other co can't get your act together so release what you have and we will try to get the rest later. Let's call it incremental but we have our money and disbursement plan ready and are running out of patience. The law suit still is in effect so the clock is still ticking but time is short. That is where I believe we are today. No way AH agrees to delay discovery without already knowing where the trusts are and having access to trustee. Hence the we are within one day work or less statement. Gus the truth you're after should be exactly who are the bad guys and let's get proof of their misdeeds. Frizzel may know but can't and won't tell. KW is still in the dark but also can't/won't tell. Leave this part of the operation to those in the know with the expertise and ammo left to them by IBM. You'll not get the ammo cause non can be shared now. Back off please. Of course all of the above is with due respect and appreciation to those who have worked so tirelessly and sacrificed so much. Always only my humble opinion |
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Post by mrabner on May 11, 2010 18:10:25 GMT -5
I guess perswasive evidence is better than no evidence, but it is still not rock solid evidence,
I believe we will need ROCK solid evidence for this to end, I have a had time believing that our money for CMKX is tied to another trust that has nothing to do with us, to me this makes no sense
I for one do hope that Al writes a book to explain all this after we get out money. but if July 26 comes and goes, we all should just consider the past 2 months one giant rumor gone wrong, I really hope it doesn't come to that.
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Post by mrabner on May 11, 2010 18:16:53 GMT -5
Oh and Bob, one more thing, please please tell me the Al did not pick up some of his evidence from World reports, good god the National enquirer would be a better source then that......
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Post by straighttalk on May 11, 2010 21:05:47 GMT -5
mrabner, if you would have read all the posts, you would know that this is NOT connected to World Reports.
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Post by hafizesh on May 11, 2010 23:28:33 GMT -5
Oh and Bob, one more thing, please please tell me the Al did not pick up some of his evidence from World reports, good god the National enquirer would be a better source then that...... as starlight suggested, get caught up on the posts.. hes not connected.. thank god  |
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Post by gjfromfla on May 12, 2010 5:43:38 GMT -5
Anxiety is in the way but it's been so many years of waiting and understand the frustration
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Post by mrabner on May 12, 2010 10:15:10 GMT -5
if you think ANY of us are caught up think again, NONE OF US on this board have a clue whats going on, that has been made clear time after time.
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Post by mrabner on May 12, 2010 10:18:44 GMT -5
Bob, nobody should be scared of the truth, right. BHollenegg's responses are in ITALICS . If you want to spread the Truth, then quit calling the ending a fake. Please think about it...why would anyone want to keep 40,000 plus shareholders around if this is a fake? Also, if this is fake, then why keep 40,000 plus shareholders hanging on when the company have the claims?i disagree, you have maybe 3 to 4 thousand are hanging around, the other 36000 wrote this stock off YEARS ago. |
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Post by bloo40 on May 12, 2010 10:42:38 GMT -5
mrabner wrote:
Speak for yourself. I'm going to be rich by this time next year!
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