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Post by hurricane on Mar 14, 2013 21:17:25 GMT -5
Not a rumor but let's play the conspiracy game Plan A: Submit case vs. Federal Government (Hodges and Bivens) Plan B: Return to trading (Steve) I know that the effects of returning to trading have been discussed in the past. However all good plans have a backup........ Say the case is not heard by SC.....boom return to trading. "You" had your chance. Could even play this was Iron Bobs Master Plan. That theory doesn't make sense. A) Bivens = shorts paid, now pay us. B) Back to trading= shorts didn't pay, force the short cover. See what I mean? =^ .". ^= Totally valid point. Say we returned to trading and the shorts "paid". Who would have known the shorts paid if we did not receive our funds? If the SEC and brokerage houses come in and say there is no short because the short was covered would that then indictment themselves and document the cover up? If they let the short stand then the short was not covered and we get our money back on the open market. We know that we can prove the short. Pick your poison. Win Win for the shareholders.
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Post by marbearcat on Mar 14, 2013 21:46:44 GMT -5
We would have to prove the short. I think if we go back to trading it will be businesses as usual and we'll languish in the .0001 zone.
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Post by crajaraman on Mar 14, 2013 21:51:17 GMT -5
Why have Plan A at all ?
We should have gone the trading route when we knew they were not going to pay us
Great, we just wasted 2-3 years with the Bivens ?
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Post by hurricane on Mar 14, 2013 21:52:19 GMT -5
That theory doesn't make sense. A) Bivens = shorts paid, now pay us. B) Back to trading= shorts didn't pay, force the short cover. See what I mean? =^ .". ^= Totally valid point. Say we returned to trading and the shorts "paid". Who would have known the shorts paid if we did not receive our funds? If the SEC and brokerage houses come in and say there is no short because the short was covered would that then indictment themselves and document the cover up? If they let the short stand then the short was not covered and we get our money back on the open market. We know that we can prove the short. Pick your poison. Win Win for the shareholders. To continue the theory.... This is exactly why SK claims zero knowledge of the trust. He returns us to trading and says....My shareholders did not receive any funds from a trust so the short still exists. Here is my proof the short exists. Where is your proof the trust was covered?....Perfect, Thanks! Like everyone always stated....when we stopped trading we were locked in. Another "something" to chew on...... Who knows.... Thats my submission to the rumor mill!
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Post by marbearcat on Mar 14, 2013 21:53:02 GMT -5
Why have Plan A at all ? We should have gone the trading route when we knew they were not going to pay us Great, we just wasted 2-3 years with the Bivens ? How will trading cause the short problem to be settled?
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Post by crajaraman on Mar 14, 2013 21:58:12 GMT -5
open market cover.
Since we are talking hypothetically, it was being said if we trade again, the brokers and MM had to buy our shares within T+3 days. If not they get jail.....
So, hypothetically speaking, you can ask any price you like ?
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Post by marbearcat on Mar 14, 2013 22:29:41 GMT -5
open market cover. Since we are talking hypothetically, it was being said if we trade again, the brokers and MM had to buy our shares within T+3 days. If not they get jail..... So, hypothetically speaking, you can ask any price you like ? Ok sounds good if true. I doubt they will cover just because we're trading. The law means nothing to them. I believe the short was paid for. Just a hunch.
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Post by e362 on Mar 15, 2013 7:29:46 GMT -5
Why have Plan A at all ? We should have gone the trading route when we knew they were not going to pay us Great, we just wasted 2-3 years with the Bivens ? The only way this waste of a bivens suit makes sense is that it was a stall tactic allowing the shorts time to cover their positions. IF what we heard is true, how in the world did we expect these people to come up with that outragious amount of cash upfront?
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Post by Ed Jagacki on Mar 15, 2013 7:53:24 GMT -5
Why have Plan A at all ? We should have gone the trading route when we knew they were not going to pay us Great, we just wasted 2-3 years with the Bivens ? But, at what point would you say that '"we" knew they were not going to pay us'? Depends on the definition of "we"?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 12:04:13 GMT -5
Brig,
Where can we get the "Down with the FED - Enforce Basel III" Tee Shirts?
;D
D4E
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Post by djhemp on Mar 16, 2013 12:11:48 GMT -5
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Post by Display Name on Mar 16, 2013 16:40:07 GMT -5
Why not post gus' response to tuscan?
y: king1000 16 Mar 2013, 02:45 PM CDT Rating: post rating 2 Msg. 1163787 of 1163802 (Reply to 1163784 by tuscan9) Jump to msg. # Tuscan take 3000 milligrams of stfu and
Start posting on granny's bullchit board. It suits your maheu men bullchit. Completely contrived
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Post by marbearcat on Mar 17, 2013 0:04:21 GMT -5
"Inverter" to "Tuscan"
tuscan9: YOU are one looney lady. I can't belive you are sitting at home making this chit up for the last 10 friggin yrs. Urban really did a number on you when he asked you to do what your doing. You can't tell me he had nothing to do with it cuss I know dam well he did. There are a handfull of you gurus on these boards that he has contacted to keep this scam going. and you know dam well who the rest of them are.So lets knock off the bullchit shall we. - - - - - View RepliesĀ»
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 18:29:35 GMT -5
Thank you! I'll take 10 please..
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Post by soonerlew on Mar 20, 2013 13:07:36 GMT -5
Compliments of Rain...posted on Tramp's
Today at 10:26am, rain wrote:I absolutely agree with you Peter. I find it a shame, but a lot of shareholders when they are paid will take it for granted. Some have an attitude of "Forget the world" just give me what is mine. They won't realize how much was fought for and accomplished to make the system safer. It's akin to the everyday battle of our soldiers, police officers, firefighters, etc. We can go about our daily life, because someone has chosen to make protecting 'us' their life's work.
I have read a few people post that they don't see our system any safer. The Stock Market, the banks, our Govt., and true you won't see a lot of it until after the change-over. But there has been more happen in the last three months... that I was told for years would happen at the end of this, than at any other time since Al first filed. I know that because Al can't post all that he is doing on the boards, people don't realize what he has done to make this reset happen. He put his practice, and his personal life on hold (especially since Dec 31, 2010) to wake up everyday and stamp out this little fire, and that little one; by doing legal work for the smaller programs in the WGS to keep the movement going. The "leave no program behind" criteria of all of this WGS was a roadblock to us getting our money in our hand, and not one that Al chose for us. He has said in a previous post that he didn't agree to or agree with us being part of the WGS, but he didn't back down from the challenge.
In my opinion, and from all that I've gathered. We Won! Unfortunately the rest of the programs that had to be finished before we could be paid have taken longer (a lot longer) than they hoped. We have all been mentally hanging out at the finish line waiting for the rest to catch up and finish the race, so that we can receive our prize!
For me personally....I will always be grateful to men like Robert Mahue, Al Hodges, and a list of others that I can't name at this time; who fought this battle. I sit here and wonder, "What can I do to make a difference?" Well, they have and still are making a major difference in our world! I vow to make them proud of me, and once I am paid I will continue to "Pay it forward" for the rest of my life!
I completely understand the frustrations, and doubt that people feel. Believe me I need it to happen NOW! I am fighting life-threatening illnesses, and have lost everything. I wake up everyday praying that today will be the day! It is a b**** of a wait, but there is nothing that I can do to speed it up. I've walked away from the boards a few times just to focus on my health, and spiritual well being, but I knew that I didn't have to be on the boards for them to find me.
I have learned throughout this journey how to more successfully discern someone who is trying to rock the emotional boat, from someone who is truly just scared, and frustrated wondering if it will happen soon enough for their own personal plight. I see it in so many people's writings that they are just plain scared to believe that this will happen to their life. They had the dream, they invested, they have invested years of waiting, but deep down they are still scared to believe that something this amazing will happen to their life. Unfortunately, some strike out in anger, and then others who believe with their whole heart and soul... strike back in anger, and nothing has been accomplished, but a lot of hateful, and hurtful words.
The boards, and fellow shareholders are all that many of us have to express our anger, frustrations, hopes, dreams, faith, and at times lack of faith in being paid. Our families for the most part don't want to even hear the word CMKX brought up. Friends think you're are nuts, or they just feel sorry for you. When it first began, many of us openly told everyone about CMKX and our dreams. Well by now, we've all learned that when we are paid we can not go about telling strangers, or even for the most part...our family members. It has become a realization of security. I wouldn't have chosen this long of a wait, but I can tell you that my knowledge on wealth, and security has bode well from the experience.
It's a new day, and I hope and pray that TODAY is it, but if not...if we must wait longer, then I hope and pray that we can all be a little more tolerant, kind, and loving to each other.
Again, thank you Peter my wonderful loving friend.....for beginning a heartfelt thread of support for Al's decision to file with the SC. I trust Al. I believe in Al. He didn't put us in this WGS fight, but he dang sure is going to lead us out! In my honest opinion!
Rain
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