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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Oct 13, 2013 8:47:57 GMT -5
toproc25 DIAMOND JEDI Post by toproc25 on Oct 3, 2013 at 3:23pm
I think that I have figured it out!!!
What we are witnessing with the govt. shutdown and coming debt ceiling is the beginning of the change....The change that we have been hearing about....the perfect excuse for the govt. to go back to printing their own money and quit borrowing and using the federal reserve....the federal reserve is like a credit card with the killer interest rates .....the only way you catch up is to quit using it!!!!!!!!!! IMO I think this is all part of the script that we have been hearing about..and will lead to the big changes we have been hearing about.....lets hope we are there!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Oct 24, 2013 4:41:24 GMT -5
Unconfused has his thoughts.....
unconfused1 DIAMOND MINER Post by unconfused1 on 17 hours ago
"This Distribution Only"=Some not getting paid??
I have referenced the Washington Mutual settlement with shareholders in the past. In that case, ultimately, at the end of the bankruptcy, the equity committee for the shareholders fought for, negotiated and received the following for shareholders of all classes of WAMU stock AT THAT TIME
Shareholders received new shares in another company that they could freely sell or keep and it would be a new entity using past tax losses to it and shareholders if they merged with another company....
Shareholders also received Litigation Trust markers that are non-transferable, worth nothing in value and are a marker only if money is recovered from legal action, etc to be distributed to holders of those markers...
HERE IS THE REASON FOR THIS POST:
With the above in mind, CMKM Diamonds had that really odd and unique line for every share that was pulled doing the cert pull that stated "for this distribution only"....
The Deli shares (I only bought a few million of those) did not, in fact they were "normal"....
My thought, question, concern is that how could anyone who bought shares after the company was revoked claim that they were injured and subject to receive fines and penalties??
Yes, if you bought the revoked stock from Deli, you still own shares in the new entity (NHHI or whatever) but whoever had those shares at the time of the sting and revoke is the one who gets the litigation trust money and any fines or penalties associated with its holdup....
For example, right now you can go and buy some of the newly given shares of WAMU (WMIH) on the public market from either original shareholders who are selling some of what was distributed to them or penny-flippers who bought several months ago for a lesser price and who are trying to gain a margin on WMIH increase in value....
BUT BUYING THAT STOCK NOW DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE LITIGATION TRUST RECOVERIES IF ANY ARE RECEIVED-- THEY ARE SEPARATE...
And so, if the Task Force set up Trusts, it is my belief that those funds would ONLY go to the bonafides at that time (and the F&P)...
ALL others (including the few million I bought from Deli) are separate from those LT's and are valid shares in the current CMKM/NHHI but are not going to receive Trust or F&P since there was NO INJURY to anyone who did not own those shares at the time of revokation....
Could definitely explain why Deli was able to sell shares for people if they knew that the Trusts (and markers) were held in their name regardless if they owned the shares in the future, their name, information, etc.. was on the list at THAT TIME and that is when it was to be completed...
SK would NOT be getting any of the previous settlements in this scenario no matter what he does with the company....
jmo
Comments??
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Post by marbearcat on Oct 24, 2013 5:22:52 GMT -5
Unconfused has his thoughts.....unconfused1 DIAMOND MINER Post by unconfused1 on 17 hours ago"This Distribution Only"=Some not getting paid??I have referenced the Washington Mutual settlement with shareholders in the past. In that case, ultimately, at the end of the bankruptcy, the equity committee for the shareholders fought for, negotiated and received the following for shareholders of all classes of WAMU stock AT THAT TIMEShareholders received new shares in another company that they could freely sell or keep and it would be a new entity using past tax losses to it and shareholders if they merged with another company.... Shareholders also received Litigation Trust markers that are non-transferable, worth nothing in value and are a marker only if money is recovered from legal action, etc to be distributed to holders of those markers... HERE IS THE REASON FOR THIS POST:With the above in mind, CMKM Diamonds had that really odd and unique line for every share that was pulled doing the cert pull that stated "for this distribution only".... The Deli shares (I only bought a few million of those) did not, in fact they were "normal".... My thought, question, concern is that how could anyone who bought shares after the company was revoked claim that they were injured and subject to receive fines and penalties?? Yes, if you bought the revoked stock from Deli, you still own shares in the new entity (NHHI or whatever) but whoever had those shares at the time of the sting and revoke is the one who gets the litigation trust money and any fines or penalties associated with its holdup.... For example, right now you can go and buy some of the newly given shares of WAMU (WMIH) on the public market from either original shareholders who are selling some of what was distributed to them or penny-flippers who bought several months ago for a lesser price and who are trying to gain a margin on WMIH increase in value.... BUT BUYING THAT STOCK NOW DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE LITIGATION TRUST RECOVERIES IF ANY ARE RECEIVED-- THEY ARE SEPARATE... And so, if the Task Force set up Trusts, it is my belief that those funds would ONLY go to the bonafides at that time (and the F&P)... ALL others (including the few million I bought from Deli) are separate from those LT's and are valid shares in the current CMKM/NHHI but are not going to receive Trust or F&P since there was NO INJURY to anyone who did not own those shares at the time of revokation.... Could definitely explain why Deli was able to sell shares for people if they knew that the Trusts (and markers) were held in their name regardless if they owned the shares in the future, their name, information, etc.. was on the list at THAT TIME and that is when it was to be completed... SK would NOT be getting any of the previous settlements in this scenario no matter what he does with the company.... jmo Comments?? This theory has been talked about ever since the certs started showing that line about "this only" Nothing gnu here.
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Post by John Winston Lennon O'Boogie on Oct 24, 2013 5:58:17 GMT -5
Unconfused has his thoughts.....unconfused1 DIAMOND MINER Post by unconfused1 on 17 hours ago"This Distribution Only"=Some not getting paid??I have referenced the Washington Mutual settlement with shareholders in the past. In that case, ultimately, at the end of the bankruptcy, the equity committee for the shareholders fought for, negotiated and received the following for shareholders of all classes of WAMU stock AT THAT TIMEShareholders received new shares in another company that they could freely sell or keep and it would be a new entity using past tax losses to it and shareholders if they merged with another company.... Shareholders also received Litigation Trust markers that are non-transferable, worth nothing in value and are a marker only if money is recovered from legal action, etc to be distributed to holders of those markers... HERE IS THE REASON FOR THIS POST:With the above in mind, CMKM Diamonds had that really odd and unique line for every share that was pulled doing the cert pull that stated "for this distribution only".... The Deli shares (I only bought a few million of those) did not, in fact they were "normal".... My thought, question, concern is that how could anyone who bought shares after the company was revoked claim that they were injured and subject to receive fines and penalties?? Yes, if you bought the revoked stock from Deli, you still own shares in the new entity (NHHI or whatever) but whoever had those shares at the time of the sting and revoke is the one who gets the litigation trust money and any fines or penalties associated with its holdup.... For example, right now you can go and buy some of the newly given shares of WAMU (WMIH) on the public market from either original shareholders who are selling some of what was distributed to them or penny-flippers who bought several months ago for a lesser price and who are trying to gain a margin on WMIH increase in value.... BUT BUYING THAT STOCK NOW DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE LITIGATION TRUST RECOVERIES IF ANY ARE RECEIVED-- THEY ARE SEPARATE... And so, if the Task Force set up Trusts, it is my belief that those funds would ONLY go to the bonafides at that time (and the F&P)... ALL others (including the few million I bought from Deli) are separate from those LT's and are valid shares in the current CMKM/NHHI but are not going to receive Trust or F&P since there was NO INJURY to anyone who did not own those shares at the time of revokation.... Could definitely explain why Deli was able to sell shares for people if they knew that the Trusts (and markers) were held in their name regardless if they owned the shares in the future, their name, information, etc.. was on the list at THAT TIME and that is when it was to be completed... SK would NOT be getting any of the previous settlements in this scenario no matter what he does with the company.... jmo Comments?? Very enjoyable post.. Thank You
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Oct 26, 2013 8:06:22 GMT -5
latteplease DIAMOND JEDI WARLORD Post by latteplease on Oct 23, 2013 at 11:22am
Look around you, at the economy, the national debt, the explosive and volatile state this nation and the entire financial system of the world is in. Does this not look like the stage is being set for an epic default that would usher in an entire clean sweep of our financial system? Didn't Al tell us this? We have all the signs of implosion staring us in the face. That is what I am looking at and it validates a lot. I think this is what Maheu did and it is coming to pass and we will enter "stage left" as soon as it does.
That is what we are supposed to be looking at, not the prognosticators (of the proboards).
IMO
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Post by ohiogirl on Oct 26, 2013 8:37:18 GMT -5
Look around you, at the economy, the national debt, the explosive and volatile state this nation and the entire financial system of the world is in. Does this not look like the stage is being set for an epic default that would usher in an entire clean sweep of our financial system? Didn't Al tell us this? We have all the signs of implosion staring us in the face. That is what I am looking at and it validates a lot. I think this is what Maheu did and it is coming to pass and we will enter "stage left" as soon as it does.
That is what we are supposed to be looking at, not the prognosticators (of the proboards).
IMO
Plus now a great number of countries are mad at us for spying on them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 9:04:10 GMT -5
Not mad just for spying .. they are mad because they are held hostage by the dollar ... and also the toxic crap (derivatives) our banks sold around the world that are not worth anything! ... I remember when I first heard the word (derivative) it was thru CMKX way back... but, it also seems that every time its coming to a head they kick the can on down the road... AL said something about ( " no matter how long it takes")if quoting him correctly... so, who knows for sure what is what ... I am no expert by far and only make assumptions based on what I've heard and seen for 9 years .....
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Post by cmkx4ever on Oct 26, 2013 10:45:32 GMT -5
Here's what is going on Melvin came in the Paltalk rooms this week and apologized for scamming the shareholders into this stock, but claims he didn't know it at the time and was only doing his job. Said UC is not the angel everyone portrays him to be and asked for everyones Forgiveness. Said point blunt the shareholders will never see a dime. I hope he's wrong
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 11:22:39 GMT -5
Melvin ... psssssfffft ... IMO Melvin made up a lot of stuff on his own? remember the PR stunt? .. He had a piece of paper on his desk and said it was THE PR? ... I think he also made up a lot of rumors ... he loved the attention CMKX brought him.. he ate it up!! ... Just part of the scary clown circus from hell!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 13:00:05 GMT -5
Melvin ... psssssfffft ... IMO Melvin made up a lot of stuff on his own? remember the PR stunt? .. He had a piece of paper on his desk and said it was THE PR? ... I think he also made up a lot of rumors ... he loved the attention CMKX brought him.. he ate it up!! ... Just part of the scary clown circus from hell! Amen, brother. Mike
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Oct 27, 2013 13:17:04 GMT -5
Everybody has their own thoughts.....
Oct 25, 2013 at 6:08pm swather said: Ines.....it all depends on the record date set by the trust........nothing to do with what is fair, legal questions with the T/A, or anything else you want to throw in.................record date......that is all you have to be concerned with.............when is the record date?
and the list of shareholders as of Oct. 30, 2005, if that is the record date, will be kept in a safe spot and easily pulled out by the T/A........the trust will define who gets paid and as of what record date was established
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ines DIAMOND JEDI WARLORD yesterday at 9:38amportrush likes this. Post by ines on yesterday at 9:38am
Well I am not concerned, because a record date in the past.. is just your idea.. and distribution has everything to do with what is legal and orderly.
Many things exist in legal world of stock market, but that does not make it applicable to every situation. To make something applicable it has to have supporting evidence to make it so.
You can not be stuck on Wamu, because they had an obvious event that made for record date which is their Bankruptcy, restructuring and getting taken by another bank and changing their symbol. That is completely different game and scenario then cmkx. That was legal and orderly for them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You know its interesting Swather to go over this subject.. because I have though about it before as an idea.. so it was interesting for me to go over.. the cmkx specifics whether such thing would be applicable or make sense in cmkx.
I will quote you again "it all depends on the record date set by the trust, nothing to do with what is fair, legal questions with the T/A,"
#1 Trust was not distributed.. and even if it had record date.. it would pertain to distribution of it, but always legal and orderly (with shareholders list at that time).. and if it was delayed in its distribution, then at that later date it would still have to be Legal and Orderly ( accurate and updated records on shareholders)
the only obvious change in cmkx was when we were halted.. and then revoked, and then we were asked to pull certs. That can not be dor because its actually just the beginning of collecting the info on true shareholders base. ( again by official company request: "pull certs in order to participate in this distribution". - it took a few years and maybe never stoped - a fact again you choose to ignore)
There is no other other date after that .. that would make for an obvious dor. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We went over many examples, history, supporting evidence.. etc.. Again, if you are not concerned with supporting evidence, circumstances of cmkx, facts of cmkx, then you can arbitrarily pick anything and make it applicable and possible in your opinion.
By ignoring everything, anything is possible? Its just not something I would follow.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You know.. part of me understands your quest of "what if". I really do. Not that I would ever pick 2005 as a possible time frame for dor because its really bad pick and so many things fly against it. but lets say in general some dor. Well besides our friendly banter here.. an effort was made to get some confirm on the subject.. from a higher plane in our little saga here.. one that I would not and can not ignore ( not acca) and its the same which acca stated that all shareholders on TA list will be paid.
I like that. It made sense.. but now I don't have to think about it at all.
ps. off course.. this is assuming anybody gets paid..
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 1, 2013 16:21:14 GMT -5
I like his positive way of thinking !!
RunningRich DIAMOND MINER Post by RunningRich on Oct 30, 2013 at 2:56pm
MY WRITE IN VOTE:
1. STILL BELIEVE WE WILL SEE PAYMENT SOON. 2. STILL BELIEVE THAT TIMELINES CAN BE FLUID AND STILL REMAIN WITHIN A TARGET TIMEFRAME. 3. BELIEVE THAT PATIENCE PAYS AND IS ALWAYS THE HARDEST PART. 4. KNOW THAT THE INVESTMENT IN THE STOCK PLAY OF A LIFETIME WAS THE CHANCE OF A LIFETIME. 5. WILL CONTINUE TO BELIEVE IN THE TEAM. 6. BELIEVE THAT ATTY. HODGES, ROBERT, HARV, DIZ, STEVE, ACCA, DES, AND THOSE CLOSE TO THE FRONT DESERVE OUR RESPECT AND SUPPORT. 7. BELIEVE THAT URBAN AND THE OLD TEAM ARE STILL UNITED BEHIND THE CURTAIN. 8. BELIEVE THAT WHEN PAYMENT IS RECEIVED AN IMMEDIATE TRANSFORMATION WILL OCCUR BOTH PERSONALLY AND OF A GLOBAL NATURE.
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Post by marbearcat on Nov 1, 2013 16:32:48 GMT -5
RR, you will be posting that malarkey 10 years from now.
#2 is a hoot
#6 & 7 are nauseating.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 1, 2013 16:44:39 GMT -5
RR, you will be posting that malarkey 10 years from now. #2 is a hoot #6 & 7 are nauseating. Whatsa matter.... no kitty trick or treats collected last night? You sure are a Sour Puss today. SINGLE
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Post by marbearcat on Nov 1, 2013 17:47:30 GMT -5
RR, you will be posting that malarkey 10 years from now. #2 is a hoot #6 & 7 are nauseating. Whatsa matter.... no kitty trick or treats collected last night? You sure are a Sour Puss today. SINGLE Yea
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