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Post by portrush on Nov 18, 2013 23:16:06 GMT -5
Well, if nothing else you learned that Bob did in fact try to verify this information...to the point of being overly persistent, perhaps...which is what he maintained to shareholders on the boards. The guy with the friend working for WF maintains what he told Bob as being accurate...and THAT is all Bob was trying to validate. It didn't work, but kudos for the tenacity for the effort. pr Well Port, I was waiting for your hip hip hooray for Bob post...and you didn't disappoint. Bob's contact (from the beginning) made it clear that he would not release the name of the bankers or the branch!! This never stood a chance from the word GO! And Bob, as recent as this week, was indicating that confirmation was still in the works. There was never ever a slight chance that confirmation could take place and look how long this has been dragged out! And if I had not got the contact information today, this could have gone on for weeks if not months. Briwadd Briwadd, You've just learned what I posted to awhile back on this very board. There is no new revelation tonight. But good on you for your efforts. My comments are based on the comments from the person you spoke to. pr
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 19, 2013 0:23:13 GMT -5
Not only did he state his beliefs to Briwadd & BH , but also to AL Hodges & Steve Kirkpatrick, I believe.
Does the "CMKX Black Hole" come into play here??
Never a dull moment !!
SINGLE
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Post by tfant53 on Nov 19, 2013 0:26:16 GMT -5
Maybe you just do not understand.....but you can ask Bob too. Have a nice night I already have Bobs number. Why do you have to be so mean? You asked the original question Tom: What is Bob's number.....I am ready to call him!!!! If you already had his number, the point of your original post is eluding me... And as you clearly demonstrated in your own realm, an admin enforcing their vision of what the board rules mean isn't being mean...it's just the way it is. You don't have to like it...just like others don't have to like your interpretations of simple concepts and words being forced down their throats in the places you control. C-Dub
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Post by marbearcat on Nov 19, 2013 0:30:28 GMT -5
Just another day. Just another day. Just another day.
In the life of u & me.......ow.
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Post by tfant53 on Nov 19, 2013 0:33:45 GMT -5
Hey Tom, I don't need to ask Bob anything at the moment, except perhaps how he is doing...the rest I believe I understand well enough for now. I am thankful people like Bob and now Briwadd are trying to seek truth and chase down leads that may end up in payment for shareholders, and even the unnamed shareholder who shared what he could comfortably...even if we're not able to pursue this lead further, we can't unequivocally close this lead as a fallacy at this point either. Have a good evening as well, C-Dub I am thankful for the same. Hope you are doing well!!
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Post by tfant53 on Nov 19, 2013 0:48:50 GMT -5
I am thankful for the same. Hope you are doing well!! I am doing well, thanks for asking...and I hope the same for you and yours as we go into this holiday season. Good evening, C-Dub Thank you C-Dub.....You have a very nice Holiday season as well!!!
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Post by BHollenegg on Nov 19, 2013 2:39:52 GMT -5
Briwadd....I have posted time and time again that I was pursuing confirmation of the WF executive seeing the funds for CMKX. Having another witness would provide credibility. You posted yesterday that if you heard it from the banker verbally you would believe it...you stated you would go there if you were provided the info . You were provided the location and information...there are only 3 WF banks. An executive at one of the 3 banks told a shareholder there is a trust fund for CMKX Shareholders. His boss verified this as well. They don't have a problem telling a shareholder. Yes, one was a friend but the boss wasn't. If I could travel I would have no problem walking in with my certs and telling them I am looking to open an account with them and would like to know about the status of the CMKX Fund. You said you would do it but that was a bluff to get information.. As far as the shareholder telling me not to post the information is not correct and he never told me to stop. I have proof that he was aware and that he even commented on some of the shareholders' attacking me on the good news. There are others who have volunteered with honest intentions.
Thank you, BHollenegg
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Post by mr777 on Nov 19, 2013 2:59:10 GMT -5
Briwadd....I have posted time and time again that I was pursuing confirmation of the WF executive seeing the funds for CMKX. Having another witness would provide credibility. You posted yesterday that if you heard it from the banker verbally you would believe it...you stated you would go there if you were provided the info . You were provided the location and information...there are only 3 WF banks. An executive at one of the 3 banks told a shareholder there is a trust fund for CMKX Shareholders. His boss verified this as well. They don't have a problem telling a shareholder. Yes, one was a friend but the boss wasn't. If I could travel I would have no problem walking in with my certs and telling them I am looking to open an account with them and would like to know about the status of the CMKX Fund. You said you would do it but that was a bluff to get information.. As far as the shareholder telling me not to post the information is not correct and he never told me to stop. I have proof that he was aware and that he even commented on some of the shareholders' attacking me on the good news. There are others who have volunteered with honest intentions. Thank you, BHollenegg Briwad Said: " I guess Bob expected me to fly half way across America and go to each branch asking some random executive if he knew of a 1.2 trillion dollar trust designated for CMKX in their bank." In addition to that, he wants you to hold your CMKX Certification with your hands when you enter the bank.... ;D
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Post by BHollenegg on Nov 19, 2013 4:09:20 GMT -5
Briwadd....I have posted time and time again that I was pursuing confirmation of the WF executive seeing the funds for CMKX. Having another witness would provide credibility. You posted yesterday that if you heard it from the banker verbally you would believe it...you stated you would go there if you were provided the info . You were provided the location and information...there are only 3 WF banks. An executive at one of the 3 banks told a shareholder there is a trust fund for CMKX Shareholders. His boss verified this as well. They don't have a problem telling a shareholder. Yes, one was a friend but the boss wasn't. If I could travel I would have no problem walking in with my certs and telling them I am looking to open an account with them and would like to know about the status of the CMKX Fund. You said you would do it but that was a bluff to get information.. As far as the shareholder telling me not to post the information is not correct and he never told me to stop. I have proof that he was aware and that he even commented on some of the shareholders' attacking me on the good news. There are others who have volunteered with honest intentions. Thank you, BHollenegg Briwad Said: " I guess Bob expected me to fly half way across America and go to each branch asking some random executive if he knew of a 1.2 trillion dollar trust designated for CMKX in their bank." In addition to that, he wants you to hold your CMKX Certification with your hands when you enter the bank.... ;DI am trying to understand... There are no problems calling Mr Bonnie and Mr Cottrell, who have nothing to do with CMKX, but there is a problem with asking managers of three banks the status of CMKX Trust, knowing that two bank managers have already provided information to a shareholder. Thank you, BHolenegg
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Post by John Winston Lennon O'Boogie on Nov 19, 2013 7:36:40 GMT -5
Briwad Said: " I guess Bob expected me to fly half way across America and go to each branch asking some random executive if he knew of a 1.2 trillion dollar trust designated for CMKX in their bank." ::)Why don't you just list the Town and state that the banks are in? We may get lucky having a shareholder or two living around the area who can do just that..
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Post by John Winston Lennon O'Boogie on Nov 19, 2013 9:14:39 GMT -5
Al Hodges goes 5 years and Millions of dollars into the court system to get this so called trust released and now it so calls sits at a bank and he won't do anything about it.. I don't get it at all. Not at all...
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Post by sweetsp7 on Nov 19, 2013 9:17:04 GMT -5
I tried my luck with contacting the WellsFargo Trust Department this morning and was able to speak to a very nice lady in the "personal trust department" because the Corporate Trust department was still closed.
I told the lady that I am a beneficiary of a corporate trust account that was scheduled and active for distribution in July and wanted to know what is the delay. The lady then asked me for the name of the trust account. I said, try CMKM or CMKM Diamonds Trust. The lady searched their systems and couldn't located the trust but she said because she only had access to Personal Trust accounts.
I asked her, can you explain or brief me on the process on how I would be contacted or notified as a beneficiary? The lady then said, well, you will receive a "packet" with instructions and a request for information such as your certificate or social security card etc., The lady then said, the packet will give you options, for example, how would you like to receive your share of the trust, such as do you prefer cash, roll over to another trust account, and other options. The lady then said, all beneficiaries that are notified must respond to their packet instructions if it has been decided that the entire trust is distributed, before the trust is released because not everyone is entitled to the same distribution amounts or other beneficiaries may be entitiled to more compensation. The lady then said, if youre talking 50 thousand shareholders, then it will take time, but if you are talkin 8 or 10 people, then the process would obviously be quicker. The lady then asked me for my social security # because she said she might might be able to locate the trust fund but then she realized that she couldn't since it was a corporate account, The lady then provided me with WellsFargo Corporate Trust Dept # 1800-344-5128 M-F 8am-5pm central time.
At the end of the conversation, the lady says, you must be happy and congratulations. That was it ya'll, so I will try to contact the corporate dept when I can as I am at work now but feel free to contact them as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 9:20:31 GMT -5
Lying is not necessarily a sign that someone is morally bankrupt. It takes a smart person to assess the needs of others, conjure up a lie, and exploit their trust with the face of an altar boy. The problem with truth is it is often boring, uneventful, and not terribly noteworthy to the individual. The evidence chain in this situation is no more valid than one person telling another person there is a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. The original statement of a WF $1.2T Trust slated for CMKX, whether true or not, has high potential to generate a powerful inference. In this case, the desired inference was for CMKXdom to believe he or she had seen evidence of a $1.2 Trillion Trust. Given the required confidentiality required of bank employees right down to the teller level, stating such, whether true or not, is an experiment. The second person to make the statement is the participant in the experiment.
When the second person made the statement to Bob and company, that person literally agreed to be a participant in the experiment. “When agreeing to take part in an experiment, a person makes an implicit contract to “play the role” of the participant. Theoretically, this means that the participant will listen to the instructions and perform the tasks requested to the best of his or her ability and as truthfully as possible” (Christensen, Johnson, & Turner, 2011, p. 172). The difference between a legitimate experiment and the one we have encountered is, the participant is also an experimenter. From a participant effect standpoint, this so called CMKX shareholder should have been aware that the demand characteristics of the experiment included validation and accountability (Christensen et al., 2011).
Briwadd made an objective assessment with a few very simple questions very similar to police investigations using deductive reasoning.
Police: Mr. Smith, how well do you know Mr. Jones? Mr. Smith: I don’t know Mr. Jones Police: If you don’t know Mr. Jones, why did you have lunch with him on September 14th, 2012? Mr. Smith: I didn’t have lunch with Mr. Jones. Police: Here is a picture of you having lunch with Mr. Jones. Mr. Smith: I’ve never seen that picture before…
Suddenly, when accountability invoked, the jig is up and cooperation deteriorates to the point of hostility. In this case, I have to give credit to the original experimenter, if there was one. If the experiment was to demonstrate the relationship between empty statements and CMKX shareholder gullibility, then the experiment met the four major types of research validity. It was a great success! Didn’t Al Hodges and ACCA make unvalidated statements?
I promised myself I was not going to spend any more money to solve this puzzle and I have very little confidence in the Oldpro proposal, but Briwadd did well for us. Maybe one last gasp at solving this will yield something once and for all.
Reference Christensen, L. B., Johnson, R. B., & Turner, L. A. (2011). Research methods, design, and analysis (11th ed.). Boston, MA: Pearson Education, Inc.
AIMHO
Mike
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Post by marbearcat on Nov 19, 2013 9:51:42 GMT -5
Norton: "Ralph, it sounds like you are in trouble!"
Ralph: "Trouble? I don't even know what I'm talkin' about!!!"
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Post by John Winston Lennon O'Boogie on Nov 19, 2013 10:05:34 GMT -5
Norton: "Ralph, it sounds like you are in trouble!" Ralph: "Trouble? I don't even know what I'm talkin' about!!!" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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