it confirms to me, about the things we were told about many many times.
Why we pulled certs, how we can get paid for nss, and so on.
Could you summarize what you think may have happened and what may be happening?
will the resolution of the ongoing court cases etc. finally sort out/clear the way
for distrbution? Hello thunkerdrone,
You know I participate on another board as well, that is "private" in a sense, you have to be a member to read it. I am mentioning this in a sense that the more people tend to post, the more conversation goes in all kinds of directions and then its explored in that direction, which happens there.
Personally I think its really important that information is also posted on "open" boards, like this one, as our fellow shareholders search for info on internet they can find more then just "official sources" want to point to, and they do not need to be members if they just want to read, or cant enter to boards that have closed membership.
As I am brining things out, other people are bringing other references to the same, even some jay adobe posts make more sense.
I see your question.
In regards the court cases: Its the only public display we have, because SEC/doj government would never talk about nss, neither they did choose to have that included in the doj cases.
however, from reading Stoeckleins depo, it is clear that dealing with those elements/ certain people/ maybe even their connections was the desire not only of Stoecklein and Maheu but of Urban as well.
It has also been said by St that people were afraid for their lives dealing with some of the individuals, so much that some people that admitted never knowing that certain certificates were made in their name, would rather deal with consequences of IRS and Taxes, even though they did not have that cert, then to deal with those that Issued it in their name.
Also, Task Force that included Stoecklein/Maheu/Frizel and Urban paying for it, did not trust the Transfer Agent records, and they high suspictions that some other people had influence over things going on there, ( not the fault of Urban) so this is why they had the Task Force for the Cert pull, besides the nss, also for this inside situation, and really needed some other authorities to start getting involved with these entities.
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Ok lets use plane language. Stoecklein had to deal with bad insiders that were using Urban.. and they were quite dangerous.. and on the other hand he had to deal with Nss and SEC who wanted to uphold status quo in that sense.
Urban was advised to not answer any questions, because he could not answer for all the other bad guys.. so better not implicate himself.. as SEC would not probably go further if they could pin it all on him.
The fact that we had missing fillings somehow also works itself into not entirely giving up all the info on the value of the claims.. when you are already combined with bad insiders and markets that are naked shorting you.
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k back to doj proceedings. Will this provide us results we want. Payment, roi.
Personally, I cant say for sure that it does, but I do hope it does.
Don Stoecklein clearly said to SEC many many times.. that he and Maheu are going to Federal courts, to have them decide on distribution of Assets. That they will abide by their decision.
He said him and Maheu will get a Legal company essentially to do that filling in Federal court.
I would assume that has been done. We know that Entourage cert was given back to Entourage company.
But before it was, it was in Safe keeping with Stoecklein. So he was in charge, when it was going to be released.
Now we know our distribution was not only of Entourage Stock but also "Other Assets".
We have established what "other assets" are.
$$$$$$ that have to be paid in.. from those that need to buy the certificates. <<
Obvoiusly nss. It is very clear many times in his deposition. It is also the source of where Task Force Members may be paid for their time.
So, since the cert is back to entourage company and Stoecklein was the one to release it, I would conclude that it is a high possibility and most likely that Federal court decision was already done by that time, and all we have left for distribution is "OTHER ASSETS" = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Why we did not get it yet? Don't know.
Is it possible that this DOJ case dealing with insiders, is the last thing on the menu before the distribution?
I would think so if they intend to pay us.
Could it also be possible that in regards getting the final tabulation of Task Force Cert List of shareholders that will get the distribution, we needed to get rid of certain Shares that any of these people have, who are in DOJ case.. ?
I think maybe that is possible. Maybe somebody insisted on that happening first.
There will be a lot of talk in this doj case, about a lot of certs.. so maybe that will add to final count of whether some certs should be entered in distribution or not.