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Post by shinynuggets on Dec 10, 2018 16:29:19 GMT -5
20 hours ago flyingj said:At 50000 shareholders times 25 dollars is over a million dollars. 10000 shareholders at 25 dollars is 250 thousand dollars. So where did this 65000 dollars come from. Why do we have to believe our own ceos lies. Transfer online did not do this for free. That is total bs Steve K is full of smoke and Mirrors and horse đ manure. Keeping the Faith!!!!! Ps: Wake up please Flyingj portrush Administrator Transfer on Line E- Mail / SK Update p10 20 hours ago Treadstone, bulldawg, and 8 more like thisI know the answer to this. Well, I know what I was told. Transfer Online does ordinarily charge a maintenance fee for each company it provides services for. It was charging CMKM several thousand dollars each month for some time until it reached an unpaid balance of $60,000. (not 65) At that time, given the company had no cashflow or other revenue to satisfy the AP, Kirkpatrick called them and told them the company couldn't pay it and didn't know when--if ever--it could. At that time, apparently, the claim was made that TO was making consistent money from shareholders making changes to the certs and paying the fees to do so. Steve also mention to me, and I think its very accurate; should something happen and the company--or the stock or certs--have sudden value or activity, Transfer Online would most certainly re-engage the company for their services and start charging their monthly fee again. I've always questioned how those individual shareholder cert-change fees could even come close to adding up enough to dismiss $60,000 for a company the size of TO. Lori, the owner, has a nice business (says Steve) but anyone can see its not General Motors big. $60K would be a significant loss because its straight off the bottom line. I don't know what their profit margins would be for that type of company...but lets just say that they want to charge double their cost in order to realize the profit they need. That means they would need to do $120,000 in NEW business to offset the loss of not being paid the $60K from CMKM. And THAT, is a lot of cert-change fees. So I agree with many of you--the dots don't connect. Or as I've been saying ad nauseum, its the consistency of inconsistencies that keeps me here. I hate to pour gas on a brushfire here, and I may have had my toes over the edge on this with my overreaction. I apologize for that. To me it is seemingly clear that Transfer Online does not have ALL the stockholders accounted for unless there truly is only about 7,000 stockholders. I've never believed the 50K number is accurate...because I think the government bought stock in order to fuel the velocity of demand in order to trap the brokers who were selling illegally. As for "real people"...7,000 or so sounds more plausible. At this point I cannot make sense of a reason to pay anything. The stock is not trading. The company is stagnant. The only "service" I see them providing is hosting my private information on their server which allows me to logon, pull up my account, see my name, address and phone--and verify my cert# with # of shares. Nothing more than going to the safety deposit box at the bank, pulling out my physical cert and staring at it. For free. Still no email for me yet. FWIW, pr Just got mine (December 10) name starts with "S"...maybe you get today
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Dec 12, 2018 21:07:20 GMT -5
December 4, 2018
RE: Transfer Online
To All CMKM/NHHI Shareholders: I was made aware yesterday that Transfer Online (TO) has sent a communication that it will begin charging a $25 annual fee to shareholders that want to maintain the ability to transfer shares and check their accounts online. To be clear, this fee is OPTIONAL and shareholders that do not choose to pay it will still hold shares in CMKM/NHHI. You will simply not be able to transfer shares or view your holdings on the Transfer Online website. CMKM/NHHI has been financially unable to pay a monthly service fee to Transfer Online for many years. Transfer Online actually âwrote offâ an accrued bill for CMKM that exceeded $60,000 a few years ago, and has maintained the CMKM account at no cost to the company since. However, Transfer Online has generated some revenue due to share transfers and certificate replacements for CMKM shareholders. This revenue stream has diminished over the last year or two and is not adequate to cover the cost for Transfer Online to maintain the CMKM account going forward. I have been told many times that Transfer Online spends more time handling calls from CMKM shareholders than any other account that they service. Many of these calls come from shareholders regarding alleged âpayoutsâ, âpacketsâ and other fictional transactions. Despite my many requests to shareholders (on the monthly webinars) to please refrain from calling Transfer Online over these bogus issues, some have continued making the calls and hassling TO employees. As a result, the management at TO has made a business decision that the CMKM account costs them more to maintain than they can justify without the $25 fee. Personally, I do not plan to pay the $25 fee for my CMKM holdings. However, each shareholder must make their own decision by January 31, 2019. For the last seven years, I have led a serious effort to attempt to build a legitimate business from the ashes of a $200 MM+ stock fraud, and to create value for our shareholders. The task has been extremely difficult, and the outcome is very uncertain at this point. CMKM shares became worthless the very day the stock was delisted/revoked in late 2005, and the shares remain valueless today. Please consider all these factors as you make your decision about paying the annual fee or not. Thank you. Steve Kirkpatrick www.cmkmdiamondsinc.com/
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Dec 14, 2018 10:28:27 GMT -5
Dec 8, 2018 at 1:06am LadyDi said: Why do we need to pay transfer online when we have paper certificates?
If they ever come to fruition I don't believe we are required to use them as a transfer agent
They will have instructions for lifting the restrictions and I dont think that has to go through TransferOnline
Thoughts?
prisonguard DIAMOND JEDI MASTER **** I didn't think that we as shareholders had any obligation to a transfer agent. Any fees that I paid were with brokerage firms for my certs. Any agreements made with the transfer agent were done by the company or whoever was placed in charge of the company. Our certs show that we have ownership in a company or something else and if any of this is a real possibility I would hope that the company would be there for us after all these years of supporting them.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Dec 17, 2018 10:34:40 GMT -5
12 hours ago ChuckWheat said: Check your account at TOL, it seems the email address shown on the landing page and the area where you make updates may not have the same address by default.
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Post by scapaflow on Dec 18, 2018 5:44:01 GMT -5
Did not get an email from TOL and can login as normal...
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Post by patrose on Jan 3, 2019 17:35:58 GMT -5
Just got mine today.... Dear Shareholder, Transfer Online offers shareholder support, which includes online access, telephone & email support to shareholders. Online access allows the shareholder to view their security holdings and generate holding statements. In addition to these online services, Transfer Online, Inc. continues to maintain company records and shareholder relations for CMKM. Normally the cost of this service would be paid for by the Issuer, however, CMKM is currently Inactive with Transfer Online and we have not received payment for this service or any other service. Transfer Online, Inc. has been performing this service for free and it is no longer feasible for us to do so. Therefore, Transfer Online will be terminating these services to shareholders, unless the shareholder chooses to pay the nominal annual fee to continue these services with Transfer Online. The annual cost to the shareholder is $25.00. To continue to receive all of the above services and for us to continue as Transfer Agent and Registrar, please make payment by sending a check to the following address OR you may return the attached payment authorization form. This fee will be due annually, beginning January 1, 2019. If payment is not received, the shareholder account will be suspended effective January 31, 2019. Transfer Online, Inc. 512 SE Salmon Street Portland, OR 97214 If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us by email at SERVICES@CMKMTOL.COM. Thanks! Transfer Online, Inc. www.transferonline.comPayment Authorization Form Instructions: â Please select a payment option and also circle the type of payment you will be using â Fill in General Information and either Credit Card Information OR ACH Bank Account Information â Fax completed form to (503) 227-6874 or Email to INFO@transferonline.com Monthly Auto-Debit ⥠I hereby authorize Transfer Online, Inc. to bill my Visa, Mastercard, American Express or ACH (bank account debit) for all usage charges as made and invoiced (circle one). Monthly Maintenance Fees Only ⥠I hereby authorize Transfer Online, Inc. to bill my Visa, Mastercard, American Express or ACH (bank account debit)for all monthly maintenance fees as made and invoiced (circle one). One-Time Debit (single payment) ⥠I hereby authorize Transfer Online, Inc. to bill my Visa, Mastercard, American Express or ACH(bank account debit) for this charge only (circle one). General Information Name: _____________________________________________________________________________________ Company Name: ____________________________________ Customer Number: _______________ Billing Address: ______________________________________________________________________________ Amount to be charged/debited: __________________________ Invoice No(s): ____________________________ Phone: _________________________________ Email: _____________________________________________ Signature: ______________________________________ Date: _______________________ Credit Card Information Credit Card Number: ______________________________________________________________ Exp. Date: _______________________________ Security Code: _______________________________________ ACH - Bank Account Information (If paying by ACH, it may take 48 hours to verify your payment, transactions will not be processed until payment is posted to your account.) Bank Account Number: ____________________________ Bank Routing Number: _________________________ Name of Bank: __________________________________ Business Account (CCD) or Personal Account (PPD)? Is having the paper certs in hand enough? hmmmm
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Post by 2018 on Jan 4, 2019 21:51:50 GMT -5
So I got an email from them today saying that I need to pay $25 bucks a year to continue getting services from them (since CMKX has never paid them anything), anyone else get this? If I don't pay, will anyone recognize my shares? Thanks for any insights here! Nobody can change the shareholders list.. and as you have certs.. nobody can change that either. Whether you pay or do not pay.. you are part of shareholder list, on the list, and you keep your certs. Only thing that was mentioned is, that those that do not pay.. will not be able to log into transfer online and see their accounts there, also, you can not call them for questions.. but supposedly send them letters. so basically imo.. most people are waiting to see until the deadline for the payment which is january 31 2019 to decide to pay or not pay. if nothing happens money wize.. many have decided NOT to pay.. or waste money. If so. and in the future you need tranfer agents services, lets say you have get certs redone.. you can do it , and they will change you whatever they do. ~!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ transfer agencies in general can be changed.. or you do not have to update your info with them. You as a shareholder are not affected if you do not pay as to any changes of you being on shareholders list.. or no change in regards the possibiliy of you loosing your certs. < that was your question.
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Post by lewis12 on Jan 5, 2019 11:21:40 GMT -5
I'm staying woke on this development. TO knows that our big payment is coming and that we will no longer need them to reprint/transfer certs. Thus, they will lose a revenue stream. This is just them trying to recoup on the front end some of that revenue they know they'll be losing *takes off tin foil hat*
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Post by cano1 on Jan 7, 2019 20:16:06 GMT -5
thank you! I got it!
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Post by Aurum on Jan 7, 2019 21:41:56 GMT -5
Check your accounts! They now have invoices due inside the accounts even if you have not yet received the email.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jan 17, 2019 16:13:18 GMT -5
Finally got my emails, on Jan 3rd.......... long after most. Was wondering ... just how they choose the dates of mailing ??
I became a shareholder & bought my first shares, I believe, in Mar of 2004, long before all the hoopla & hype !! Guess it does not matter......... seems not much does??
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Post by cessation on Jan 17, 2019 18:36:49 GMT -5
Guess it does not matter......... seems not much does?? Good guesses and likely accurate.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jan 19, 2019 17:37:18 GMT -5
Jan 8, 2019 at 3:37pm Uncle Jed said:
From my email conversation with TOL Agent May, 2011
Subject: RE: Shareholders of record.
From information I had I questioned that in June of 2010 there were 8,862 shareholder accounts registered with them, how many are there now in May of 2011?
They replied with the followingâŚ
âIn June there where approx. 48,000 holders in CMKM. This has now grown to over 50,000. I donât know where you are getting the number 8,862 but that does not reflect anything in our records.â
I then directed them to a quote that was on our company website listed under âCorporate Updatesâ for June 25, 2010 ⌠âCurrently there are only 8,862 security account holders that have registered with Transfer Online for access to their accounts.â
They replied with the followingâŚ
That means there were only 8,862 who had signed up for web accounts. Now at least we know where people are getting the idea that they must register with us. This is not the case a web account only allows a holder to view their shares as they are held on our records and provide update contact information for mailings such as annual meetings. All of the holders are registered with us, as for web accounts, only a little over 12,000 of the 50,000 registered have signed up to use this service and this service is not required in any way.
To me that clearly indicates that TOL had more than 50,000 registered CMKM Diamonds shareholder accounts already preregistered with them and âsigningâ up is just for access to be able to view or update you information via âweb accountsâ which you all should do to verify that they have the correct âcontactâ information!
In my opinion as long as you have checked your contact information to be correct and you don't have any need to split certificates or transfer shares ASAP then there is nothing else you need to do unless you feel the need to donate $25 to TOL! The $25 annual fee allows you to contact them "online" via your web account to request future adjustments to your information or certificates rather than calling them or having to do it with forms received via snail mail.
Hope that helps clarify your accounts with TOL but please feel free to call them directly to verify that information, although you may be labeled as attacking them for asking question!
Uncle Jed
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Post by John Winston Lennon O'Boogie on Jan 20, 2019 13:08:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure If Steve told us why he signed us up with TOL in the first place.. He had to know that we would never trade again with all the shares put out by CMKX. Why does he still have the doors open if only to wait for a miracle. What is this MIRACLE we are waiting for..? Does it have something to do with what we had in Canada..? Does it have something to do with what he is doing in Texas..? Does it have something to do with the SEC...? Does it have something to do with a Trust...? Does it have something to do with the Feds going down...? I guess that sums it up a little... Must be a pretty big MIRACLE in order to keep the doors and the web site open... If it's not the truth they are telling us, why tell us anything at all..? SCAM SCAM SCAM is all they say but they just keep saying it with the doors of CMKX open with a web site and a once a month phone in.. Really makes you think about why you shouldn't burn your shares and walk away.. I know I wanted to, only thing keeping me from doing it is,THE DOORS ARE STILL OPEN.. Thanks Steve, for what I'm not sure. OK, I'm sorry, FOR KEEPING THE DOORS OPEN...
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Post by e362 on Jan 21, 2019 17:53:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure If Steve told us why he signed us up with TOL in the first place.. He had to know that we would never trade again with all the shares put out by CMKX. Why does he still have the doors open if only to wait for a miracle. What is this MIRACLE we are waiting for..? Does it have something to do with what we had in Canada..? Does it have something to do with what he is doing in Texas..? Does it have something to do with the SEC...? Does it have something to do with a Trust...? Does it have something to do with the Feds going down...? I guess that sums it up a little... Must be a pretty big MIRACLE in order to keep the doors and the web site open... If it's not the truth they are telling us, why tell us anything at all..? SCAM SCAM SCAM is all they say but they just keep saying it with the doors of CMKX open with a web site and a once a month phone in.. Really makes you think about why you shouldn't burn your shares and walk away.. I know I wanted to, only thing keeping me from doing it is,THE DOORS ARE STILL OPEN.. Thanks Steve, for what I'm not sure. OK, I'm sorry, FOR KEEPING THE DOORS OPEN... Often wondered that myself and agree regarding the doors are still open. I personally believe SK saw an opportunity to follow his entrepreneurial spirit and cmkm gave him the financial vehicle and all he had to do was have a phone call once a month and follow whatever agreement was made with TOL. Who knows?
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