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Post by paintedhorse on Jun 12, 2008 9:20:45 GMT -5
In my informed opinion, this is a critical time for CMKX shareholders. In the five years I have been associated with this stock, today is the first time I have felt the end is actually in sight. Yet that feeling is indeed a cold one as mounting evidence seems to indicate that any resolution for shareholders, if in fact it happens at all, is being pushed further into the future.
Over the years I have listened to many individuals in cyber space who proffered themselves as angels of mercy with great tidings of joy for all shareholders. They claimed to have preferential information supporting huge ROI’s on our CMKX investment. And all we needed to do was sit still and be patient.
None of those individuals has been as prolific in his prognostications as Mr. Roger Stelma, aka Accadacca. He infers a connection with CMKX officials and claims to know with certainty of a Trust(s) established with funds earmarked for payout to shareholders. He has even gone so far as to announce numerous rates of return forthcoming from said Trust(s)
Yet Mr. Stelma steadfastly refuses to provide hard evidence as to the identity of the trust(s), the total of funds contained therein, the origin of the funds, the location of said trusts, the trustee, or any other particulars related to the supposed setup and disbursement of monies to shareholders.
Mr. Stelma has also alluded to participation by “bonafide” shareholders in future operations of CMKX, CIM or other such entity based on legacy holdings that would generate future royalties. Yet he refuses to identify any details of his relationship with his presumed employers who allegedly control not only the trusts but also any participation in future CMKX related operations.
I am aware that Mr. Stelma recently told folks in Paltalk that his job is finished, he is no longer “employed”, and disbursement of funds is “in the hands of one individual on our team”. Yet as per usual for Mr. Stelma, he would not identify that individual. In addition, he now has no idea when, or I presume IF, the trigger will be pulled to make any payments. So CMKX stockholders continue to simply mark time waiting for an event that no one can say with any degree of certainty will ever occur, especially Mr. Stelma. This is a radical departure from his previous statements of hope to shareholders. And it causes one to wonder if he ever actually stated the truth.
I have also been informed that several groups are currently organizing to pursue the facts of CMKX. And I am here today to inform you that I am one of them. My patience with the mysteriously informed in this stock has come to an end.
I will authorize my attorneys this week to pursue legal action against Mr. Stelma. Over the next week or so, we will be gathering information necessary to ensure the success of that action. Our intent is to obtain facts from Mr. Stelma regarding his involvement in CMKX activities, particularly regarding his alleged employment with CMKX related entity(s) and his knowledge of purported trusts and payouts to shareholders.
Where these trails will lead is unknown. Yet I am quite confident that information obtained under oath from Mr. Stelma will, at minimum, go far beyond his small circle of CMKX influence.
Never in my 35 year career as a CPA, have I seen a group, myself included, so mesmerized by the antics of one individual. And I have experienced some very nefarious characters over that period. It is past time to find clarity and transparency in this “investment of a lifetime”!
RALLY CALL TO SHAREHOLDERS!!! All those not involved in one of the groups mentioned above can still have a very distinctive influence in this effort by faxing, emailing, calling, placing newspaper ads, setting up internet blogs, etc. And they should do so ASAP!
Now is not the time to sit back and simply let the hours pass away hoping that a white knight will suddenly appear with payment in hand. There are simply no facts to indicate that such is going to occur. And if anyone states otherwise, I would challenge them to present those facts in hard copy for all to examine.
We are a formidable group, literally a cast of thousands who can continue to make a difference. And together, we can discover the truth. We may not like it once we do, but at least we will have some closure.
There is an old saying that “you can’t gripe if you didn’t vote”. Well it’s time to vote folks and let your voices be heard loud and clear in unison. No longer can we afford to simply sit in cyber space, receiving nothing but bits and pieces of information that are intended only to keep us “calm” and uninformed.
Good luck to all of us!
Tex
As a number of you know, my cyber home has been Pro Board 86. However, I recently deleted my account there for personal reasons, none of which relate to Dave or his board. I have simply chosen to leave cyberspace at this time.
Pro Board 29 is the only site from which I have not yet deleted my account. I simply forgot to do so. Therefore with the indulgence of MannyFin and the Mods, I am posting the above to this excellent board. If you feel it is inappropriate Manny, please remove it. Thank you!
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Post by 3bid on Jun 12, 2008 10:06:59 GMT -5
I agree with your approach and conclusion. A siren rallying call such as this, should become a sticky here. There is strong commitment and concern, but the interference noise of misinformation and suspicious unknowns have blurred the collective focus. We too easily drift, emotionally distracted, in whatever direction doesn't lead to closure.
Yes, the time has come for accountability and certain closure. Each of us deserves to experience that elusive and long awaited deep sigh of relief. Our situation is but one cell in the magnitude of corruption and crime that festers within the body of this nation.
sick and tired of it all, but still hopeful,
-3bid
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Post by blu1236 on Jun 12, 2008 10:18:39 GMT -5
Although I fully agree this is the time to get off our toosh to pursue discovery I believe Acca is just a waste of time and resources. Obviously he knows nothing so discovery would be fruitless.
I believe we need discovery of facts. Tyler has many facts that are tied up in lititgation and will take a long time to get to the end of their plight. If we had proof of NSS we could act with power to pressure senators and the sec to remedy this problem.
Hodges is on the right page to discovery through his new web sight. I was hoping he would make these discovories available to the public ( without personal info of course ). Once again a lawyer is involved and we will only know the answers when it is done-which will be a couple years. In the mean time our pain becomes less sharp, our numbers and hense our power dwindle. Maybe someday the markets will get cleaned up. In the meantime many more will be hurt. They are little guys like you and me so it does not matter.
Yes I'm for discovery-something we can take to the media and say here it is. This play has been controlled by lawyers from the beginning. Yes I like seeing someone go to jail like Gary Walters but he is small time compared to the MMs. They are untouchable. Too much money and too much power.
Getting solid information was much easier for overstock. He knew where all his stocks were. Now his battle is just beginning-fighting the big dogs. My hope is he tears them up and opens this scam to the world.
blu-------------------------------- and ready
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 12, 2008 10:47:24 GMT -5
Tex, Welcome and thank you for your excellent contribution to PB29. Tex, It would be quite interesting to see if in fact, the "infamous",Roger Stelma (aka ACCA), has ever had or now has any inside information or employment in regards to CMKM Diamonds Inc. It has been my opinion, for the past so many years, that ACCA is full of chit! I have long since not put any credibility into what he has said/says, as he has been wrong 800 billion times. His contradictions, inconsistencies and run around tales of tomorrow, next week, next month, $$$, trusts, packages in the mail, etc. etc. leaves me in bewilderment of why some shareholders, still to this day , take heed to ANYTHING this individual has to say. Credibility MUST be earned. IMO.... Acca is the bottom step on the ladder, not even close to being worthy of a spec of credibility! His rantings & ravings for some reason seem to be accepted, by those shareholders ,who still believe it to be the absolute truth. With the track record he has earned, how could this be? I applaud you for taking the steps in hopes to either prove or dis-prove the claims of Roger Stelma and his agenda for being here.. If in fact he is "employed" by someone or some entity, then all shareholders should be made aware of who or what they are dealing with. Interesting to me .... is that I am almost finished reading the book "The Naked Truth" and there is a paragraph on pg 276 which tells of KEVIN WEST's conversation with Urban Casavant. In this conversation KW told UC , that he has certain people on the boards he can use to try to delay any lawsuits. Is this what Acca is doing for the other side ?? or the same side?? IF in fact he is connected to anybody or anything at all. ...Sickening huh?? Seems like we shareholders are being deceived from ALL sides !! I have always been pro-active in regards to CMKX and will continue in the quest of faxing, emailing, calling, writing letters and anything else it may take to help inform the shareholders of the travesty being thrust upon them! Again , Kudos to you for taking the initiative in hopes, to help right the wrongs, the shareholders have had to endure for the past 4-5 years. To prove or dis-prove any single factor in regards to CMKX is a step in the right direction !! Single
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Post by hundredtoone on Jun 12, 2008 11:48:20 GMT -5
What a waste of time and money IMO...ACCA has nothing to do with CMKX...and as far as I know there is no law against LYING to suckers...if I had the resources to pursue a lawsuit it sure as heck would not be against ACCA...I would pursue the records of the TF and the OG THEN I would file a HUGE LAWSUIT against the BROKERS that FTD...going after ACCA or any other PUMPERS...or GREEDY and other BASHERS can get you NOTHING IMO...AND you would have to PROVE that GREEDY profited from his LYING...or ACCA...get REAL...go after ACCA...HA HA HA...Flying Moose(cmkxunofficial)
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Post by paintedhorse on Jun 12, 2008 12:10:24 GMT -5
Here is what is going to happen!
Firstly, the attorneys will decide when the right time is to file. They will control the process.
As to the question, what good will it do to depose Mr. Stelma, here is the logic. He has represented to know a great deal of information that he is reluctant to share the facts of. A deposition will be designed to understand precisely what he does or does not know, how he knows what he does know, and who he was employed by.
As to the question, where will this lead, here is the logic.
It may lead to Vegas. It may lead to New York. It may lead to Tyler, Texas. It may lead to Canada. It may lead elsewhere. It may lead to a combination of the above. It may lead absolutely nowhere.
My choice is No. 6 but the attorney's will ferret that out.
As to Mr. Stelma fessing up, he has a choice: 1. He can answer all questions truthfully. 2. He can lie or refuse to answer, both of which have consequences.
Depositions are all about obtaining facts. And the interesting thing about that is they often lead to other areas requiring due diligence and follow-up.
As a former forensic accountant, I think Mr. Stelma will be the key to unlocking a number of doors or he will be proven a liar, i.e., no substance. I am betting of the first choice but time will tell.
This is my last post on this fine board. Imsingle, thanks for the kind words.
Best to all!
Tex
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 12, 2008 12:34:48 GMT -5
some comments from the Millionaire board....threadkillah DIAMOND DIGGER So now we're chasing Acca instead of the real wrongdoer's? Looks like yet another bouncing ball being thrown around. Too many balls.... omegapoint DIAMOND Long overdue! If Phony Guru #1 spews his usual garbage under oath, he will be committing perjury. And perjury can then be added to the alleged charge that he is in arrears in his child support payments.Squirm, Phony Guru #1, "as it were" "if you will." kbbus DIAMOND DIGGER Tex, Please let us know what you find out as the case progresses. Should be interesting reading! Thanks, KBBUS bradwalker DIAMOND DIGGER Great post, we need to get down to the nitty gritty and find out the truth. I along with so many are tired of the lies. As evenup said we are a formidable group of people that need to continue on until we find resolution one way or another. KEEP ON FIGHTING! cmkxdiamonds DIAMOND JEDI JOIN THE FAX/EMAIL/PHONE/YOU TUBE & NEWSPAPER CAMPAIGN AND ALSO GET THE LATEST CMKX PR OUT TO EVERYONE YOU POSSIBLY CAN WE NEED TO GET A CERT RUN GOING ON WITH REGULAR INVESTORS.... 300 DIAMOND MINER What is to be gained through Acca? I would rather pursue Kevin and get the full story there. drillbit DIAMOND JEDI JMO but forget going after individulas save maybe Urban. He DID promise .54 at races in 2003 and I can prove same. NO, I think we cause pain via open information to the public in this election year. It is crucial to attack while we have the adavantage of the Fall election.
It will be difficult to organize: 1. a leader or leaders to form a coalition that is TRUSTED to facilitate a CONCISE MESSAGE that will grab the attention of the public...NOT IMPOSSIBLE!
2. the rallying of the many thousands around the planet that do not follow this story as do we FEW
3. Money management ofa fund to enable affect
Again, NOT impossible but IMO the very first step is to compose a SHORT but succinct email message to all CMKX shareholders. How to get the entire list, I don't know BUT a campaign can be started on the grassroots level. That means have a single agreed upon SHORT message sent to all folks that we know that have CMKX. Just spitballing here so...........
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Post by Catdaddy on Jun 12, 2008 12:58:17 GMT -5
At the risk of sounding like a basher, which I am not, I'm going to rain on your parade. Everyone on this thread could stand on their head and spin like a top and it will not change the outcome of our plight. Whether it be good or bad, the outcome is already in place and has been for at least two years. As always, JMHO. Later, Catdaddy
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Post by hundredtoone on Jun 12, 2008 13:18:54 GMT -5
I agree Catdaddy...I don't see any of this changing a thing...MANY have tried...I am sure the END has already been WRITTEN...Flying Moose(cmkxunofficial)
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Post by desperado on Jun 12, 2008 13:53:14 GMT -5
paintedhorse... Let me get this straight. You have appointed yourself to "represent" the "cause" of SH, without "their" formal request or permission? You want/expect these same SH to "rally" round you. Your main (startup) "theme" is finding out who Acca is. IMO... you are a Giant Hypocrite!!! Why not start with Identifying YOURSELF (or was your "given name" "paintedhorse" or "TEX" [i.e. REAL and verifyable: Name; address; City, State, Zip; Contact Phone]... and; most importantly, what "qualifications" you bring to the party and your true underlying motivations. I'd say you're character is challenged by the fact that you've had an ongoing verbal battle going on with him for years... but, fail to mention that and instead blow smoke up our fannies as if you really give a chit about individual SH. My bet is this post won't be here long... because the truth hurts and in order to successfully complete your manipulation(s)... you don't want these same SH to understand the true facts behind your campaign. LMAO EOM ~ Des'
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Post by Zoinkers on Jun 12, 2008 14:59:53 GMT -5
paintedhorse... Let me get this straight. You have appointed yourself to "represent" the "cause" of SH, without "their" formal request or permission? You want/expect these same SH to "rally" round you. Your main (startup) "theme" is finding out who Acca is. IMO... you are a Giant Hypocrite!!! Why not start with Identifying YOURSELF (or was your "given name" "paintedhorse" or "TEX" [i.e. REAL and verifyable: Name; address; City, State, Zip; Contact Phone]... and; most importantly, what "qualifications" you bring to the party and your true underlying motivations. I'd say you're character is challenged by the fact that you've had an ongoing verbal battle going on with him for years... but, fail to mention that and instead blow smoke up our fannies as if you really give a chit about individual SH. My bet is this post won't be here long... because the truth hurts and in order to successfully complete your manipulation(s)... you don't want these same SH to understand the true facts behind your campaign. LMAO EOM ~ Des' My given name isnt Zoinkers. ;D Trav.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 12, 2008 15:46:39 GMT -5
paintedhorse... Let me get this straight. You have appointed yourself to "represent" the "cause" of SH, without "their" formal request or permission? You want/expect these same SH to "rally" round you. Your main (startup) "theme" is finding out who Acca is. IMO... you are a Giant Hypocrite!!! Why not start with Identifying YOURSELF (or was your "given name" "paintedhorse" or "TEX" [i.e. REAL and verifyable: Name; address; City, State, Zip; Contact Phone]... and; most importantly, what "qualifications" you bring to the party and your true underlying motivations. I'd say you're character is challenged by the fact that you've had an ongoing verbal battle going on with him for years... but, fail to mention that and instead blow smoke up our fannies as if you really give a chit about individual SH. My bet is this post won't be here long... because the truth hurts and in order to successfully complete your manipulation(s)... you don't want these same SH to understand the true facts behind your campaign. LMAO EOM ~ Des' Hi Desperado and welcome to the board........ As you will see from one of the above posts, Paintedhorse does not intend to post again on this board. Although I try to read almost every post on almost all the boards, I can not for the life of me remember what Paintedhorse's stance is regarding CMKX. Pumper?? Basher?? Naysayer?? other?? Is Paintedhorse guilty of claiming to have inside information?? Does he state as truth... dates of checks in the mail ?? Does he state as truth.... $$$ amounts to expect?? Does he state as truth..... to knowing about trusts ?? Does he state as truth.... to be an insider or employed by CMKX ?? Does he put himself out there and make promises to the shareholders?? I know for a fact Acca does,,,,,,, But what about Paintedhorse?? Is he guilty of the above?? If the answer to this would be NO. What is the relevance of demanding any personal information from him?? If a suit were to be filed his personal information would all become public information, in time, just as it has happened regarding shareholders who have filed suit against the company. Help us out here on PB29 to understand what your insinuations regarding Paintedhorse's true "agenda"/ "motivations" are. Many of our members do not wander far from this board. Any information you have ( with proof) of ill intent on the part of Paintedhorse would be appreciated. I for one, would like some answers and proof of what Acca has been stating for years. There are many many shareholders who have chosen to disregard anything Acca says for lack of any substantial proof. Who can blame us?? Who can fault anyone who is in search of the Truth?? As I stated in my above post, credibility is earned. imo .....the failure of Acca's predictions and statements speak for them self. On PB29.... we seek the truth, whether it be regarding Acca, Paintedhorse, Tyler, Urban and/ or anyone or anything connected to CMKM. I for one applaud anyone who can produce proof , without a doubt , of anything in regards to this never ending saga. So if you have anything you would care to share with this board to substantiate the insinuations you stated against Paintedhorse in regards to his "true" motivations ...our ears & eyes are open........ like I said....we are searching for the truth!! Single
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Post by hundredtoone on Jun 12, 2008 15:51:31 GMT -5
IF painted horse is TEX then it makes sense IMO...because I used to go round and round with TEX...and IMO TEX was/is a BASHER pure and simple...any TRUE LONG would care more about going after the TRUE CROOKS not some mouthpiece that has NEVER been right...there are PLENTY of those but they mean NOTHING to a ROI IMO...so going after BASHERS or PUMPERS should come AFTER any real action IF EVER...IMO...Flying Moose(cmkxunofficial)
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 12, 2008 15:53:50 GMT -5
Message from Mark « Thread Started Today at 4:08pm »
faulkingtruth Shipwright Re: Suing ACCA?? « Reply #12 Today at 2:14pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If anyone knows how to contact this guy, pass this quote on to him. It's from The Faulking Truth Show of August 4, 2006. That show should still be in the archives at CFRN.net, and the quote is reprinted in the book. Plus, there's a great section in the appendix that BD helped compile listing a sampling of Acca's most outrageous claims. Tell him if he wants to use any of that, he can contact me and I'll forward it to his attorney.
This is from the book (yes, another free excerpt):
Accadacca appeared on CFRN’s The Faulking Truth Show on August 4, 2006, and admitted he was hired to spread rumors about the company, none of which had come true in the prior year and a half that he had been active in Paltalk and on the message boards:
“I came into CMKX roughly in March of 2003. I was contacted by an individual and we talked and I met him and took a position…you know I can’t really tell you who employed me to do this job but I will say it’s been the most exciting job anyone could ever have. At this present time I am not compensated. Prior to revocation, I guess you could say I was.”
Using Accadacca’s claim in March of 2005 that Citigroup was supposedly buying out CMKX the following week as an example, it was pointed out that all of his claims were inaccurate. Accadacca replied, “I understand that, my main objective was to hold the shareholder base together prior to revocation, I did not want people to sell.”
It was a stunning confession. Accadacca had been paid to lie to shareholders to keep them from selling their stock before the SEC revoked the company.
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Post by hundredtoone on Jun 12, 2008 16:08:43 GMT -5
I did not even know ACCA when I HELD...I HELD due to the HUGE NS that Frizzell had told us about...I STILL BELIEVE HIM...I think MANY more held due to posts by KW and statements by BF and managment than any PUMPERS...Flying Moose(cmkxunofficial)
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