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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 23, 2008 20:05:05 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 23 Jun 2008, 08:40 PM EDT Msg. 734923 of 734927Jump to msg. # anyone have links to old FALC claim maps like this one? maybe from 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007? the map below is very current and available at SHANE RESOURCES web site. by the way, in case you don't know, but will soon realize once you look at this map, SHANE is now the second largest claims holder in the FALC. pardon me, but where in the hellll did SHANE come from? sure, we've all heard of SHANE, but how did they end up being the second largest holder of claims in the FALC? what happy horseshi*-horse trading is going on up there? www.shaneresources.com/images/stories/Shane_FalC_Properties_Jan08_34x26.pdf if you have a link to some of the old FALC maps like this one please post it. tks. By: rosencrantz2010 23 Jun 2008, 08:42 PM EDT Msg. 734924 of 734927(This msg. is a reply to 734806 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # for a comparison of the current SHANE claims map of the FALC and a fairly recent FALC claims map from not that many months ago,,, read the link to this post. there is some real horse trading going on up there.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 23, 2008 20:06:59 GMT -5
By: aladin99 23 Jun 2008, 08:59 PM EDT Msg. 734926 of 734927 Jump to msg. # Banks don't have enough $$$ to cover their naked shares in the market....Hope LEH MS GS JMP MER will go under!
By: aladin99 23 Jun 2008, 09:03 PM EDT Msg. 734927 of 734927 Jump to msg. # Hey bashers....FED will decide which banks will go under....good luck on your job hunting...lol
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Post by soonerlew on Jun 23, 2008 20:17:13 GMT -5
By: joesixpack333 23 Jun 2008, 10:47 AM EDT Msg. 734826 of 734928 (This msg. is a reply to 734825 by currentplay1.) Jump to msg. # current..
seems odd UBS would offer up information on any clients of theirs.. unless the hammer is also hanging over their head.. that is why people put money in Swiss banks.. to hide it.. ROFL.. I think we will see 20,000 pizzed off people..
By: currentplay1 23 Jun 2008, 10:53 AM EDT Msg. 734827 of 734927 (This msg. is a reply to 734826 by joesixpack333.) Jump to msg. # joesixpack333,
Yes they are starting to squeal.. 20,000 it just the tip of the iceberg.. UBS is just one.. Expecting 100's of thousands getting a call from the DOJ.. or should I say an unpleasant surprise.. One word HUGE..
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Post by snifferpup on Jun 23, 2008 21:29:19 GMT -5
BHollenegg DIAMOND JEDI MASTER
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,637 Reputation: 229
Hello Partymartypa2... I am still around, just out and about. I am in the throws of packing up for the move. Hectic is an understatement.
To All: Our ROI is going to happen. It is "event driven"... That is all I could get a confirmation first-hand. Amount and date, no confirmation, just we "will be more than satisfied". This is a Win, When situation.
I gave a lot thought to what we can do to come to a quicker conclusion. This is like traveling on a plane... locked-in, flight time increased due to HEAD WIND, no matter how much we complain we are not going to influence the head wind. We can ride it out or convince to driver to go another direction. Safe measures are paramount, are required, and are necessary.
I owe several responses to emails and messages. Please accept my apologies. I will answer them as soon as I can. Thank you.
All The Best, BHollenegg
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Post by soonerlew on Jun 23, 2008 22:29:02 GMT -5
By: pelicanbrief114 23 Jun 2008, 09:51 PM EDT Msg. 734936 of 734963 Jump to msg. # EXPOSURE Is a Beautiful Vehicle/Tool!! ******************************************************************** Naked Shorting And Pool Operations On The Short Side Author: Jim Sinclair Dear CIGAs, The following is a missive that is being emailed to a total of 60,000 by request readers. I respectfully request that you cut, paste and send this to every junior mineral company and every mineral investor you know. Let’s send this to 250,000 investors and 1000 mineral companies TODAY! I trust you are all enraged and will be active in your support. Dear Friends, Today is proof that these people are running scared. Their target today is a message that their time has come to an end. Add to that the arrest of the Bear Stearns Hedge Fund managers for not correctly marking down their holdings and informing their investors. These events have to put these people that are committing bullying, illegal and unethical activities in the crosshairs of investors, management and the law. Soon there will be no place to hide, no place to run and the name Anonymous has done them no good at all. The name Anonymous may well be their eventual undoing as illegal activities using such a means confirms their devious undertakings. The major underestimation by these hedge fund operators is the nature of the old-line junior mineral management. When you push them hard they will push back harder and make it personal. They should study the history of past PDACs and how old timers can act when attacked. Where I am concerned, today they made this personal. There is a great deal of information available to the management of any company listed on an exchange. The first step in determining what is happening in the short term is broker identification. Every transaction shows a broker on it with one curious twist on the TSX which allows trades to be noted as broker “Anonymous.” That is not the stumbling block itself because you can see all the daily trades almost as they happen and the total volume of buys and sells on each trade for broker Anonymous, therein determining if this legal camouflage has been a seller on balance for that day. This information can be obtained from www.tsx.com for companies on the Toronto Stock Exchange. Other exchanges have similar setups. It will have to be obtained by your company on www.tsx.com as info/short interest data is password protected. When you are on the TSX homepage, click on “Market Activity” and select “Current Market.” There will be a 15-minute delay on information but you can see the broker’s activity and name including that famous broker, Anonymous. This type of information can be obtained for all exchanges and the NASDAQ. Looking historically will be more informative as you can be assured that as the heat is turned up, procedures will change. Knowing the broker who represents the greatest on balance selling daily or from period to period is quite easy as they will not use Anonymous often enough to camouflage that they are or have been the largest seller. The next three documents companies need to obtain are: The Participation List that shows all street name securities held and by whom. This document should be reviewed, as all documents should, from period to period. The non-objecting shareholders list will show the changes in the positions of those investors. This is again reviewed from period to period. Even the major shareholders who object to their name being listed are available for the company from the same source to the shock of the hedge funds. These two items are key to knowing exactly what is occurring in your particular share. The brokers who bought and sold list shows both percentage purchases and percentage sales. By the comparison of all the above you are able to determine if the selling is long selling, legal short selling or unreported short selling. It is an exercise that is common to forensic accounting, probably better done for many companies by their auditor rather than by non-accountant management such as geologists. The next step is to retain a reputable Internet investigator as it is all out there in one form or another. Anonymous is a nice cover name probably used by the naked short seller, but after the trade and into the statistics it loses its effective cover capacity. We will keep that proprietary for the time being. We live in an information world, complex of course, but not to those that specialize. As this practice continues, your dedication to stopping the rape of shareholders must increase. Complaining to exchanges, regulators and hiring attorneys at this point is a useless effort. Bringing the culprits out into the light is the most effective first step. Making their identity known is the goal. The effort is to out those who are both pool raiding and those naked short selling your issue. One is conspiracy and the other is simply a crime. Identification is the first step. They will be identified and then they will be dealt with. We will come at them at every angle from rewards for information to cyber investigators and forensic accounting. Click here to read more about our efforts. The incoming company interest in this is simply overwhelming. I would venture to say that the companies now interested in ousting these criminals represents at least 200,000 investors. They can hide as all cowards do, but out they will come as many in the mineral industry have now dedicated their existence to this effort. Remember, the threats you face you can overcome. The threats you run away from for any reason win. To the management of the juniors: Never run, no matter what the message they try to communicate to you via your market is. Stockholders will support you because aggressive, dedicated and well-financed action is the only way to remove this vermin permanently. The more they speak via your market, the more you act. This is the only strategy that will protect shareholders from their reprehensible and illegal activities permanently. ********************************************************************* The Freight Train Rumbles down The Tracks with NO Brakes!!!! Protect and Govern Thyself!! Got Gold/$ilver/Hard A$$et$? Got CMKX? :-) Have a Wonderful and Peaceful Evening!!!! 4ND
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Post by soonerlew on Jun 23, 2008 22:30:02 GMT -5
By: pelicanbrief114 23 Jun 2008, 09:57 PM EDT Msg. 734937 of 734966 Jump to msg. # Turn On the Lights and
Watch the "Roaches" scramble!!
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Chamber Of Mines Update
Author: Jim Sinclair
Dear CIGAs,
The formation of the “Chamber of Mines – Junior Producers, Exploration and Development” is proceeding at a rapid pace. As of today we are approaching 50 companies that have expressed interest in becoming founding members.
The formation of a non-profit limited liability entity has begun. Charters and bylaws to govern the group are being formulated as you read this.
This campaign is moving on a fast track as there is a need now to speak with one voice.
Any companies interested in joining the Chamber of Mines to help us fight these financial thieves can contact Editor Dan at information@jsmineset.com.
More information about the Chamber can be read in the article posted below titled “Naked Shorting And Pool Operations On The Short Side.”
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The Freight Train Rumbles down the Tracks with NO Brakes!!!!
Protect and Govern Thyself!!
Got Gold/$ilver/Hard A$$et$?
Got CMKX? :-)
Have an Enjoyable and Relaxing Evening!!!!
4ND
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 24, 2008 14:42:23 GMT -5
By: lilburrito0 24 Jun 2008, 07:28 AM EDT Msg. 735021 of 735166 (This msg. is a reply to 735015 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # rosencrantz2010
In your searching for "old maps" Do you just want to look over the maps? Or do you want more clarity as to who owns what (today) - - - - -
By: rosencrantz2010 24 Jun 2008, 07:31 AM EDT Msg. 735023 of 735166 (This msg. is a reply to 735021 by lilburrito0.) Jump to msg. # lilburrito, the current map from SHANE provides good info on who owns what, now. i'm interested in who owned what back in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. thanks.
By: StoneRolling 24 Jun 2008, 07:53 AM EDT Msg. 735026 of 735166 (This msg. is a reply to 735021 by lilburrito0.) Jump to msg. # Lilburrito is looking for an opportunity to showcase the fact that he spent countless hours putting together spreadsheets of redundant CMKM-related information.
Too bad the dumbazz's interpretation of that data is always a frickin' joke.
I was banned from PB66 once, just for pointing out his incredible errors. It was funny really.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 24, 2008 14:54:11 GMT -5
By: lilburrito0 24 Jun 2008, 07:28 AM EDT Msg. 735021 of 735166(This msg. is a reply to 735015 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # rosencrantz2010 In your searching for "old maps" Do you just want to look over the maps? Or do you want more clarity as to who owns what (today) - - - - - By: rosencrantz2010 24 Jun 2008, 07:31 AM EDT Msg. 735023 of 735166(This msg. is a reply to 735021 by lilburrito0.) Jump to msg. # lilburrito, the current map from SHANE provides good info on who owns what, now. i'm interested in who owned what back in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. thanks. By: StoneRolling 24 Jun 2008, 07:53 AM EDT Msg. 735026 of 735166(This msg. is a reply to 735021 by lilburrito0.) Jump to msg. # Lilburrito is looking for an opportunity to showcase the fact that he spent countless hours putting together spreadsheets of redundant CMKM-related information. Too bad the dumbazz's interpretation of that data is always a frickin' joke. I was banned from PB66 once, just for pointing out his incredible errors. It was funny really. By: lilburrito0 24 Jun 2008, 07:56 AM EDT Msg. 735028 of 735166(This msg. is a reply to 735026 by StoneRolling.) Jump to msg. # StoneRolling _ You were played well too! By: StoneRolling 24 Jun 2008, 08:00 AM EDT Msg. 735029 of 735167(This msg. is a reply to 735028 by lilburrito0.) Jump to msg. # lilburr-So you are saying you were wrong on purpose? So I'd get banned? So you already knew that Timontoo protects you from your own ignorance by banning members who point out your incredible blunders? Yeah...RIGHT! LMAO!!
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 24, 2008 15:00:14 GMT -5
By: lilburrito0 24 Jun 2008, 07:55 AM EDT Msg. 735027 of 735168(This msg. is a reply to 735023 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # rosencrantz2010 Here's something I keep track of when I have free time. The last time I updated this information was Mar-2008. viewer.zoho.com/docs/ecOdWb By: StoneRolling 24 Jun 2008, 08:01 AM EDT Msg. 735030 of 735168(This msg. is a reply to 735027 by lilburrito0.) Jump to msg. # I knew the link was coming! LMAO! Someone please click Pedro's link! He spent countless, untold hours on these spreadsheets! PLEASE...LOOK AT THEM! PLEASE! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 24, 2008 15:00:45 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 24 Jun 2008, 08:16 AM EDT Msg. 735034 of 735168 Jump to msg. # two years and counting since this stormgrey43 post,,,
By: stormgrey43 11 May 2006, 09:59 PM EDT Msg. 241642 of 715075 (This msg. is a reply to 241466 by tramp1950.)
tramp1950 - The word "TRUST" has been used a lot throughout the entire CMKX saga. Remember "Trust the TEAM"? Anyway, I think it has a deeper meaning than most have given it, but I'll get back to that word later.....
So anyway, we've read earlier of the Fed printing up another 2 trillion to replace "missing" money and doing away with the M3 requirement to possibly conceal "why" they needed to print this money. Okay good........
We also heard rumors of a buyout from China, which would for all intentional purposes force a Fed Call on all outstanding shares and NSS shares. Heck we even heard the Fed Call rumors (even if only for a short period of time) last year....
We know that Urban and company have been buying and surrendering billions of shares to multiple "Trusts" (thanks for the list Pedro) - so obviously they accumulated at least the float and probably more. Remember if there was a Fed Call, they would in essence be paying themselves by having as many electronic shares they could stashed away in the "Trust" along with the certed OS shares. Once the company had all of the legitimate shares in cert form, they could have easily sold part or all of the company.
The SEC probably caught wind of what was transpiring and cried "foul"! - sighting that they would not allow the company to shut out the shareholders by leaving them with uncerted shares or unable to obtain certs for their NSS shares - that's why I believe the cert pull was mandatory and probably included SEC involvement. Shareholders could now order their certs from the brokerage firms who in-turn had to "buy" them back from the company for the Fed Call price per share (the amount that the A/S garnered from the sale of the company).
Here's where it get's tricky........and why it is important for people to order their certs. If you do not order your certs, it is my belief that you may or may not be paid for NSS damages. IF (a big IF imo) you do get paid damages, you certainly won't be carried forward with whatever entity (CIM??) remains after the sale of the company (whole or in part) and any of the remaining assets. Basically you would be done with CMKX as it would have to disappear. No pre-IPO shares, no rights offering, just the damages for the counterfeit shares you were sold, afterall the company is in no way responsible for those shares anyway....
I hope the best for everyone, but everyone really should have "trusted" Urban and the company if they really wanted to capitalize on this stockplay of a lifetime.
At least we have only until next week to hear some news IMO. I know there will need to be some time needed to wrap up the number and names, BUT if you were working on the Task Force and were also a shareholder knowing that we "might" get paid in a big way, would you put in the extra overtime hours to "GET-R-DONE"?
I would.....
Storm
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 24, 2008 15:02:54 GMT -5
By: aladin99 24 Jun 2008, 09:05 AM EDT Msg. 735043 of 735168 Jump to msg. # I think BF&KW just follow the instructions... from the TOP....
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 24, 2008 15:07:04 GMT -5
By: allthatsparkles 24 Jun 2008, 09:36 AM EDT Msg. 735054 of 735169(This msg. is a reply to 735035 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # rosencrantz - good morning. one of the single most important points for me that helps me know that there was a plan to protect the shareholders was simply this, if we are to believe that some/much of our money is tied up in one or more of the trusts and a trust is solid/untouchable unless fraudulently engineered/set up, and have not been collapsed by the SEC or any other entity as of yet, then that is a hugely significant factor for me to hold onto as a positive outcome. sorry a poorly organized sentence but hopefully you understand. If you and others got into this as a short squeeze play, only, then I agree it isn't what you signed up for. If you are the thousands who signed up for a significant investment that had the potential of earnings over, if not a lifetime, certainly 10 years, then holding onto it would be exactly what it is, a longterm investment. And if the lion share of our money is being held in trust(s), you nor I can do a thing to expedite the process and that is another factor that gives merit to a "plan" for me because if everyone who had civil actions dipped into their part sooner, this would never be resolved. " can't think of too many people that would put their money into any stock while being told they wouldn't learn anything else about their investment..." This, rosen, is the only part that we can agree on. Until such time that those trusts become affected, I am going assume that all that i read, believe, have heard from credibly, imo, is part of what we wait for. So I wait along with you'all, but just not day to day anymore. Even though I still believe that current SEC info to be another bouncing ball, I wait. Just differently than you are. Soon you too will be able to pull away from the message board for your own reasons and I hope that they are positive. Consider, for the 5 years that I have been invested, there are only a handful of familiar posters here and on the Conglom. Don't let this torture you anymore. It doesn't make the money or info come any faster. peace rosen. By: rosencrantz2010 24 Jun 2008, 09:57 AM EDT Msg. 735057 of 735169(This msg. is a reply to 735054 by allthatsparkles.) Jump to msg. # allthatsparkles, thanks for your response. two things. first, your assumption about a trust existing. i know a lot of good posters believe a trust exists, but i don't know how anyone knows that one really does. i'd like to believe one exists, but how do any of us really know other than through the words and promises of others? and god knows we all should have learned by now that the words of most on these boards aren't worth the smelly air on which they are spoken. you bet i'm hoping there is a trust, or multiple trusts, but to me that's more an article of faith than anything you or i can show as evidence. second, i like the fact that you and KLON and other goodhearted posters know some people you truly believe in. that's good. i don't network so well so that's my tough luck. but, i'm pretty leery of a lot of folks. so far there are only a couple of people i trust on this board. they drive me to distraction at times but i do think they either really know something or provide an honest analysis of known facts. the rest of the people all seem to have an agenda. their agendas my be well intentioned, but they are so biased in either direction that even if i agree with them i can't trust what they are saying. i think you and klon genuinely believe what you have been told by certain people, but how in the world do you REALLY know those people are telling you the truth or that they even REALLY know? for example, i know we all trusted sterling back in 2004 and 2005. well, what do you and others think of him now? i know what i suspect about him based on observing the sales job he does of other stocks on his board. and there are a few other gurus that if you go way, way back in their posting history you see they didn't know squat back then about what was going on with cmkx. i suspect these people simply took on the mantle of being a guru over time and enjoyed it so much they just couldn't part with the role they enjoyed playing. and now that their predicted times for payoff have come and gone they are looking a little stupid and suspect their days as a guru may be numbered. i guess what i am trying to say is i sure hope you aren't basing your faith on the "truth" coming from one of these guys. and i truly do hope you have a source that is/was on the inside and really does have your best interests at heart. i hope for all our sakes that's true. and i hope we don't have to wait another year or two or three or four before finding out one way or the other. good luck to you. CONT'D
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 24, 2008 15:10:11 GMT -5
By: allthatsparkles 24 Jun 2008, 10:24 AM EDT Msg. 735062 of 735169(This msg. is a reply to 735057 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # rosen - a few final comments, I don't follow the 'gurus', infact i sometimes wonder how one in particular wasn't sued over and over. I was burned following a pump many years earlier by one you've mentioned and have not followed up on any recommendations by him since. I do respect many here and give merit to discussions offline of few. I am not trying to persuade you into believing what I do, and agree that there is a tremendous number of posters with agenda, which has to make you wonder why. to simplify a point again, if i may, if we are holding unregistered shares and/or shorted shares in cert form. restitution has to come from somewhere, imo. who was aware of their distribution until May 2005? an unprecedented move if i recall. of unregistered shares??? regardless of the trust(s) and what that represents, the SEC and DTCC cannot brush this shareholder base under a rug. that is the only statement of Kevin's i found to be profound. (paraphrasing) That the shareholder base is the most valuable asset that this company (shell) has. By: rosencrantz2010 24 Jun 2008, 10:46 AM EDT Msg. 735063 of 735169(This msg. is a reply to 735062 by allthatsparkles.) Jump to msg. # allthatsparkles, you don't have to answer this, of course, but is kevin one of your sources? second, as for the certificates,,, i know what bill frizzell claimed back in 2005 about proving a naked short, but there were problems with the way he did it. i agree there is a naked short, or FTD in cmkx, but it seems to me the real question is how large is that ftd? it could be as "small" as 50 to 200 billion, in which case all of the certs we are holding are legit and they always were legit. there was never a problem with our certs. now, as for the people that couldn't get certs or never asked for certs, well, maybe that's where the ftd really is. it just seems to me a reasonable case can be made that our certs are legit and always were legit. and that our belief in a huge naked short was helped along by frizzell not knowing exactly what we was doing with the math. i wish bill had gotten a statistician from the local university to advise him and perhaps even write a little paper analyzing those faxed in copies we all sent in before the trial. what made me suspect bill's numbers from the fax campaign is that when the formal cert pull campaign was conducted you saw the average holdings per investor steadily decline over time. that is, in the early going of the cert pull the average share holdings was around 25-35 million. but as time went on that average dropped below 10 million and i suspect it would have dropped maybe to 8 or even 5 million. well, take the estimated number of shareholders and multiply that by 'average holdings' and you come up with a number that's not all that much higher than the known OS. in short, we may not have much of a naked short! i think we do, but it may not be as big as what we all thought. of course, my thinking is all wet if you happen to believe that urban was holding the real naked short. now that's a cool idea and would have been a real slick move on his part if he'd screwed shorty with it. i'm all in favor of that idea,,,, but i can't prove it and it seems to me no one else can either. and that is where we get into FAITH and faith is something that starts to weaken after four years of reading the happy horseshiit on these boards while not hearing one good word from the company. well, there you go,,, more outpouring from a twisted mind. lol By: allthatsparkles 24 Jun 2008, 11:04 AM EDT Msg. 735064 of 735169(This msg. is a reply to 735063 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # rosen, i'm running after this, don't mind to respond, BUT.......... you haven't read enough of my posts to ask me about how I feel about Kevin, so the answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. i have a hard time imagining Bill counting the short all by himself in his office to believe that he made an error, initially. lastly, as you increase the number of certs processed, the average can increase or decrease based on how much per cert each. as for publicly displaying roughly the o/s as we are told, imagine investment sentiment on the whole if the tally exposed truths to any stories of the very regulator supposedly protecting us, looking the other way for this stock? and MAYBE it would be benefitial to remove the larger certs to minimize public ability to accurately calculate remuneration. conceal info just for public consumption? no, remember that more than a dozen government agencies were monitoring that tally as closely as we were.
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Post by enoughalready on Jun 24, 2008 15:12:09 GMT -5
What are we waiting for - Why isn't this over yet?
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jun 24, 2008 15:16:23 GMT -5
By: leowanta 24 Jun 2008, 11:24 AM EDT Msg. 735069 of 735170 Jump to msg. # "lots of dead bodies follow this saga.."
i agree!
looks like bobhwang's patience is up! He gave urban til the 15th of july....me thinks he has moved that date up to 24 June!
WE NEED PAID URBAN...SEC...NOW
leowanta
By: bobhwang 24 Jun 2008, 07:00 AM EDT Msg. 32475 of 32491 Jump to msg. # #1. takes 5th #2. no results #3. how long r u going to wait on bull chit #4. denial #5. he's allowed bull chit lawyers to protect his deeds whereby they have a financial gain off your monies #6. sec in bed with legal bull chit #7. play stupid and blame others #8. paid others to keep shareholders @ bay with promises of bull chit #9. refused to show up to defend himself and/or position #10. are u better off since u invested here and/or met him and his toadies.
show me how you've benefited and I'll shut up.. lots of dead bodies follow this saga..
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