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Post by soonerlew on Nov 30, 2008 14:20:31 GMT -5
By: aladin99 30 Nov 2008, 11:53 AM EST Msg. 783021 of 783070 (This msg. is a reply to 783019 by reality.bytes.) Jump to msg. #
Reality...U can say Aladin has been wrong in many or all...but CMKX...
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 30, 2008 14:20:56 GMT -5
By: joesixpack333 30 Nov 2008, 12:21 PM EST Msg. 783030 of 783075 (This msg. is a reply to 783001 by reality.bytes.) Jump to msg. # Interesting site.. www.samay.com/ lots of CMKX/M Diamond pages to view... hmmm
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 30, 2008 14:25:48 GMT -5
By: fraction_improper 30 Nov 2008, 01:13 PM EST Msg. 783046 of 783078 (This msg. is a reply to 783038 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. # Bob, I'm wondering about the significance of this. We know the deal between Entourage and CMKM had to be legit and a tender for shares was necessary to balance the deal, but the deal has fizzled.. for three years and no one knows why.. Do you have any insight? Thanks for all you do. Fraction By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 01:46 PM EST Msg. 783054 of 783078 (This msg. is a reply to 783046 by fraction_improper.) Jump to msg. # Hello Fraction... The last I heard, Attorney Stoecklein still holds the Entourage Certs in a trust. The two major points of the broker information are: CMKX was oversubscribed by a multiplier of 9 (9 times the OS) The NSS/FTD amount was known before the cert pull. MULTIPLIER For ordinary short selling, traders must borrow a stock, or determine that the stock can be borrowed. The stock is annotated as shorted until cleared usually T-3 days. For naked short selling, the trader does not borrow a stock, or does not determine that the stock can be shorted. Since the stock is not annotated as shorted, the stock can be shorted numerous times creating a multiplier effect. Examples...if the same stock is shorted twice, the multiplier effect is 2 times. If the same stock is shorted 9 times, then the multiplier is 9. There is an article in the link which explains naked shorting and the multiplier effect.. www.efinancialnews.com/usedition/content/2451263662/23191 Take care BHollenegg
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 30, 2008 14:27:15 GMT -5
By: mkaykay0 30 Nov 2008, 01:46 PM EST Msg. 783055 of 783078 (This msg. is a reply to 783051 by wuitgameover.) Jump to msg. #
Why is it all the supposed "good guys" always want to say nasty things about someones mom? sick perverts!
By: jfarn 30 Nov 2008, 01:55 PM EST Msg. 783060 of 783078 (This msg. is a reply to 783055 by mkaykay0.) Jump to msg. #
mkaykay...
The certain group of folks who show up on this thread day in/day out for years i.e. Jonas, Reality, Greedy, Factanonverbal, sharasilva, Carmelbeach, et. al. are simply not here for benevolent reasons. Some are affiliated with organized crime and have been monitored for quite some time. No less than one of the group has been flipped and has provided extensive evidence for the last two years. The criminal investigation associated with such is quite extensive and began formally in 05.
My point to you: a little jab about one of these scum suckers madre's pales in comparison to what and why these shi*tbirds do.
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 30, 2008 14:28:32 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 30 Nov 2008, 01:58 PM EST Msg. 783064 of 783079 Jump to msg. #
why did shore gold pick up all the lapsed claims entourage said were worthless?
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 30, 2008 20:27:41 GMT -5
By: sportsman93306 30 Nov 2008, 02:39 PM EST Msg. 783089 of 783356 (This msg. is a reply to 783038 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. #
BHOLLENEGG. THAT INFORMATION IS
ABOUT 3 YEARS OLD. 1.WHAT HAPPENED SINCE THEN?I MEAN DID THESE BROKER PAY ANYTHING? 2.IF SO, HOW MUCH? 3. HOW MUCH VALUE DID THEY PUT ON THE COMPANY? AND FINALLY... 4. WHY NO PAYMENT SO FAR? WHAT IS THE REAL HURDLE?
THANKS
By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 04:06 PM EST Msg. 783116 of 783357 (This msg. is a reply to 783089 by sportsman93306.) Jump to msg. #
Sportsman93306....
Questions 1,2,3, & 4...
"The DTCC has the funds, The SEC is through Investigating, Shareholders will be paid, Event Driven..." This is not an IMO.
Take care, BHollenegg
By: CHICPICK 30 Nov 2008, 04:44 PM EST Msg. 783149 of 783358 (This msg. is a reply to 783116 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. #
bhollen, How could you post this as FACT?
"The DTCC has the funds, The SEC is through Investigating, Shareholders will be paid, Event Driven..." This is not an IMO.
Wouldn't you think that if this were fact, the shareholders would have been advised of it, since there is no reason for secrets anymore?
Since this is not an IMO., by you, and the money is coming, how about buying all of my shares for .0001?
By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 05:00 PM EST Msg. 783161 of 783358 (This msg. is a reply to 783149 by CHICPICK.) Jump to msg. #
Chickpick...it is not my opinion. I did not make it up...therefore it is not my imo. If you were provided information from someone else would you consider the information as your opinion?
By: CHICPICK 30 Nov 2008, 05:07 PM EST Msg. 783166 of 783361 (This msg. is a reply to 783161 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. #
bhollen, Then who did that info come from? Or should we consider the info pusher as top secret?
By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 05:58 PM EST Msg. 783219 of 783359 (This msg. is a reply to 783166 by CHICPICK.) Jump to msg. #
Chickpick...I understand the need to know the souces of information. That is why I did a lot of networking to verify the information. You are well aware of the situation on this message board. If you do not believe the information that is your choice. I understand. I provided the information for the shareholders, it is up to the shareholders to decide whether or not to accept the information. I am not going to break the trust with my source and the information flow just because you don't trust me. You have several choices, believe BHollenegg or Jonas,don't believe either,...
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 30, 2008 20:27:58 GMT -5
By: sportsman93306 30 Nov 2008, 02:39 PM EST Msg. 783089 of 783356 (This msg. is a reply to 783038 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. # BHOLLENEGG. THAT INFORMATION IS ABOUT 3 YEARS OLD. 1.WHAT HAPPENED SINCE THEN?I MEAN DID THESE BROKER PAY ANYTHING? 2.IF SO, HOW MUCH? 3. HOW MUCH VALUE DID THEY PUT ON THE COMPANY? AND FINALLY... 4. WHY NO PAYMENT SO FAR? WHAT IS THE REAL HURDLE? THANKS By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 04:06 PM EST Msg. 783116 of 783357 (This msg. is a reply to 783089 by sportsman93306.) Jump to msg. # Sportsman93306.... Questions 1,2,3, & 4... "The DTCC has the funds, The SEC is through Investigating, Shareholders will be paid, Event Driven..." This is not an IMO. Take care, BHollenegg By: CHICPICK 30 Nov 2008, 04:44 PM EST Msg. 783149 of 783358 (This msg. is a reply to 783116 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. # bhollen, How could you post this as FACT? "The DTCC has the funds, The SEC is through Investigating, Shareholders will be paid, Event Driven..." This is not an IMO. Wouldn't you think that if this were fact, the shareholders would have been advised of it, since there is no reason for secrets anymore? Since this is not an IMO., by you, and the money is coming, how about buying all of my shares for .0001? By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 05:00 PM EST Msg. 783161 of 783358 (This msg. is a reply to 783149 by CHICPICK.) Jump to msg. # Chickpick...it is not my opinion. I did not make it up...therefore it is not my imo. If you were provided information from someone else would you consider the information as your opinion? By: CHICPICK 30 Nov 2008, 05:07 PM EST Msg. 783166 of 783361 (This msg. is a reply to 783161 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. # bhollen, Then who did that info come from? Or should we consider the info pusher as top secret? By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 05:58 PM EST Msg. 783219 of 783359 (This msg. is a reply to 783166 by CHICPICK.) Jump to msg. # Chickpick...I understand the need to know the souces of information. That is why I did a lot of networking to verify the information. You are well aware of the situation on this message board. If you do not believe the information that is your choice. I understand. I provided the information for the shareholders, it is up to the shareholders to decide whether or not to accept the information. I am not going to break the trust with my source and the information flow just because you don't trust me. You have several choices, believe BHollenegg or Jonas,don't believe either,... By: adrienne07 30 Nov 2008, 04:13 PM EST Msg. 783119 of 783365 (This msg. is a reply to 783116 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. # bhollenegg: I supported your post 100%. There is absolutely no reason for a well-respected gentleman like you to post non-sense. I know you have contacted the people in the US Senate about CMKX. I wish you work with "jfarn" in this great effort to benefit the shareholders. He also has a great contact.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 30, 2008 20:42:25 GMT -5
By: gusjarvis 30 Nov 2008, 05:26 PM EST Msg. 783189 of 783379 (This msg. is a reply to 783176 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. #
bh 9 times the real o/s? the 703 billion included the retail naked short plus the real shares, if the counterfeit shares were 9 times the o/s then divide 622 by 9 to get the real o/s, or close at one time?
By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 06:28 PM EST Msg. 783237 of 783381 (This msg. is a reply to 783189 by gusjarvis.) Jump to msg. #
Hello Gusjarvis...if we go by the initial NSS/FTD information from Frizzell and Martin, it is in the trillions...
“We know we have a huge naked short (835 billion shares, including cert holders, and NOBO lists, and with just 20% of street shares faxed in, leaving 80% not even reporting! This does not begin to mention those who are not included from other countries.) These two things alone can be our winning combination. “
NSS = 835 Billion Shares counted + 80% of the shares not reported or faxed in yet + other countries.
835 billion x 5 = 4.175 trillion …now add “ + other countries”
This is not just a truckload of NSS and FTD...Folks we have a convoy…Break-her one two...CMKX is coming through!
All the best Gus,
By: gusjarvis 30 Nov 2008, 07:56 PM EST Msg. 783300 of 783381 (This msg. is a reply to 783237 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. #
bhollenegg I would say the retail short is 622 billion or less, I would say the overall short including buying for operational purposes could be in the trillions but will never be seen.
my guess is the cim divvy numbers of 1.4 trillion equals the retail short of about 600 billion, plus the 600 billion certs they came up with to cover that, plus the real shares at the time of about 200 billion (the last time the issued and oustanding and oustanding were the same per andy)
It is funny old georgeburns came up with the retail short at the gemm divvy, and he was right, it was about 590.5 billion then, it ended up at 622 with the buying from the gemm divvy to the end (certainly not the 500 billion the made it look like or even close).
Cheers and no matter who's numbers are right we have the largest short ever that got covered, not bad. Just hope that we don't get a complete buyout and lose the chance to move on with our land.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 30, 2008 20:45:57 GMT -5
By: yetihunter04 30 Nov 2008, 05:28 PM EST Msg. 783192 of 783384 (This msg. is a reply to 783172 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. # bhollen, great. all you're doing is bringing more rumors to the boards (and displaying them like they're public knowedge fact). the shareholders are weary enough and have been lied to enough. when you first came out and said someone from the gov responded to you and said that yes, cmkx was a sting and shareholders would be compensated, i suggested you give your source to a trusted shareholder like granny2shoes to verify your information. you refused. then you posted about how all this is public knowledge and that all shareholders have to do is make some calls to find out the truth. that's what we tried to do when you said your gov source said cmkx was a sting. so in my opinion, you are either lying or you don't believe your source as much as you lead on. PLUS....if this is public knowledge as you claim, everyone should be able to share in the info you are supposedly receiving. By: jfarn 30 Nov 2008, 05:39 PM EST Msg. 783199 of 783383 (This msg. is a reply to 783192 by yetihunter04.) Jump to msg. # Yetihunter, Bhollen's integrity is beyond reproach. He has held the highest of security clearance that my country bestows on individuals. He is sharp individual and good man. He brings information to you, me, and others to provoke dialog and possibly uplift those that have lost a degree of hope. Granny is a nice lady. We will agree upon that.~ By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 06:52 PM EST Msg. 783255 of 783387 (This msg. is a reply to 783192 by yetihunter04.) Jump to msg. # Yetihunter...you are being dishonest. Please provide the link to where I refused the offer with Granny2shoes. If you are tired of being lied to, then set an example. Also, I did not say the my source was from the government. I said my source is a professional. I will communicate with Granny2shoes and provide my source so she can verify the information and report back to the shareholders. In return, Granny2shoes will provide me with all the information she received in which she signed a nondisclosure agreement so I can verify and provide the information to all of the shareholders instead of the select few. I am ready..let's do it.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 30, 2008 21:02:58 GMT -5
By: JUMBOJET 30 Nov 2008, 06:44 PM EST Msg. 783254 of 783394 (This msg. is a reply to 783224 by mormot-scammer.) Jump to msg. # bhollenegg'S Source I$ None Other Then.... jay_adobe
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 30, 2008 21:10:42 GMT -5
By: jlecks 30 Nov 2008, 07:38 PM EST Msg. 783285 of 783402 (This msg. is a reply to 783270 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. # BHollenegg, Thanks for all your information and dedication! My dad told me plenty of stories about the Skunk Works. I hope to speak face-to-face with you about fluid dynamics one day... You are surely a treasure to every shareholder who is willing to listen to what you have unearthed and shared with all of us. I look forward to meeting you, shaking your hand, and giving you a warm hug, and telling you "thank you" for your past and present work for us and our country. VBR By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 08:14 PM EST Msg. 783344 of 783404 (This msg. is a reply to 783285 by jlecks.) Jump to msg. # Jlecks..Thank you. I look forward to the day we meet. The SkunkWorks' people are brilliant. When one works in SkunkWorks, they work in awe. Amazing place. All the best, BHollenegg
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 30, 2008 21:24:41 GMT -5
By: yetihunter04 30 Nov 2008, 05:28 PM EST Msg. 783192 of 783384 (This msg. is a reply to 783172 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. # bhollen, great. all you're doing is bringing more rumors to the boards (and displaying them like they're public knowedge fact). the shareholders are weary enough and have been lied to enough. when you first came out and said someone from the gov responded to you and said that yes, cmkx was a sting and shareholders would be compensated, i suggested you give your source to a trusted shareholder like granny2shoes to verify your information. you refused. then you posted about how all this is public knowledge and that all shareholders have to do is make some calls to find out the truth. that's what we tried to do when you said your gov source said cmkx was a sting. so in my opinion, you are either lying or you don't believe your source as much as you lead on. PLUS....if this is public knowledge as you claim, everyone should be able to share in the info you are supposedly receiving. By: jfarn 30 Nov 2008, 05:39 PM EST Msg. 783199 of 783383 (This msg. is a reply to 783192 by yetihunter04.) Jump to msg. # Yetihunter, Bhollen's integrity is beyond reproach. He has held the highest of security clearance that my country bestows on individuals. He is sharp individual and good man. He brings information to you, me, and others to provoke dialog and possibly uplift those that have lost a degree of hope. Granny is a nice lady. We will agree upon that.~ By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 06:52 PM EST Msg. 783255 of 783387 (This msg. is a reply to 783192 by yetihunter04.) Jump to msg. # Yetihunter...you are being dishonest. Please provide the link to where I refused the offer with Granny2shoes. If you are tired of being lied to, then set an example. Also, I did not say the my source was from the government. I said my source is a professional. I will communicate with Granny2shoes and provide my source so she can verify the information and report back to the shareholders. In return, Granny2shoes will provide me with all the information she received in which she signed a nondisclosure agreement so I can verify and provide the information to all of the shareholders instead of the select few. I am ready..let's do it. By: yetihunter04 30 Nov 2008, 08:24 PM EST Msg. 783359 of 783407 Jump to msg. # well, bhollen, granny has been notified of your suggestion. i'll let you know what she says, or maybe she'll post to you. i don't know. did you read my post of the thread and your response? do you see how people read that as a refusal to allow verification of your source? By: scruffy_too 30 Nov 2008, 09:25 PM EST Msg. 783408 of 783408 (This msg. is a reply to 783379 by yetihunter04.) Jump to msg. # Yeti, nothing personal, but I fear you may be barking up the wrong tree here. Robert will not identify his source simply because he is honour-bound not to do so. There are not many on these boards whose word is his pact, but Robert certainly is one of these. Did you not hear that if he could identify his source, that he would certainly do that? When Robert speaks, many people listen, but there are a few who feel their own need to know everything, eclipses everything else, including the integrity and reputation of the messenger. That is not the deal here. Robert brought that information to these boards simply to share what he could and to bring hope to many shareholders who needed that ray of sunshine, and in for much the same reason (I expect) that his source shared this information with Robert, when he was facing some of his hardest challenges. This speaks most highly of both parties, IMHO. It is clear that Robert will not break that trust, both with his source and ourselves. Why can we not live with that and simply thank him for conveying the message? Would we rather that he simply kept all this to himself? Thanks Robert...!
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 30, 2008 21:29:52 GMT -5
By: gusjarvis 30 Nov 2008, 05:26 PM EST Msg. 783189 of 783379 (This msg. is a reply to 783176 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. # bh 9 times the real o/s? the 703 billion included the retail naked short plus the real shares, if the counterfeit shares were 9 times the o/s then divide 622 by 9 to get the real o/s, or close at one time? By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 06:28 PM EST Msg. 783237 of 783381 (This msg. is a reply to 783189 by gusjarvis.) Jump to msg. # Hello Gusjarvis...if we go by the initial NSS/FTD information from Frizzell and Martin, it is in the trillions... “We know we have a huge naked short (835 billion shares, including cert holders, and NOBO lists, and with just 20% of street shares faxed in, leaving 80% not even reporting! This does not begin to mention those who are not included from other countries.) These two things alone can be our winning combination. “ NSS = 835 Billion Shares counted + 80% of the shares not reported or faxed in yet + other countries. 835 billion x 5 = 4.175 trillion …now add “ + other countries” This is not just a truckload of NSS and FTD...Folks we have a convoy…Break-her one two...CMKX is coming through! All the best Gus, By: gusjarvis 30 Nov 2008, 07:56 PM EST Msg. 783300 of 783381 (This msg. is a reply to 783237 by bhollenegg.) Jump to msg. # bhollenegg I would say the retail short is 622 billion or less, I would say the overall short including buying for operational purposes could be in the trillions but will never be seen. my guess is the cim divvy numbers of 1.4 trillion equals the retail short of about 600 billion, plus the 600 billion certs they came up with to cover that, plus the real shares at the time of about 200 billion (the last time the issued and oustanding and oustanding were the same per andy) It is funny old georgeburns came up with the retail short at the gemm divvy, and he was right, it was about 590.5 billion then, it ended up at 622 with the buying from the gemm divvy to the end (certainly not the 500 billion the made it look like or even close). Cheers and no matter who's numbers are right we have the largest short ever that got covered, not bad. Just hope that we don't get a complete buyout and lose the chance to move on with our land. By: bhollenegg 30 Nov 2008, 08:50 PM EST Msg. 783390 of 783409 (This msg. is a reply to 783300 by gusjarvis.) Jump to msg. # Gusjarvis...there were a lot of shares which did not receive the divies or the full amount. For example, the Postion Report dated April 16, 2006 showed E*TRADE with approximately 38,000 shares FTD and without certs, when in fact the following weeks, Frizzell was receiving calls from shareholders with millions of shares each who were having problems getting E*TRADE to provide certificates. Recall the E*TRADE executive flew in hand carrying account documents in May 2006. I don't for one SEC believe the executive would go through all the expense for 38,000 shares. Take care and thanks for all your great posts Gus, BHollenegg
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 30, 2008 21:35:06 GMT -5
By: hanssolong 30 Nov 2008, 09:06 PM EST Msg. 783400 of 783409 Jump to msg. #
the date on this post is January 2008 way before it hit the fan Msg. 29354 of 36088 (This msg. is a reply to 29353 by seatech3.) Jump to msg. # Seatech3: The only thing I can say about CMKX is that IMHO in order for any of us to see a prompt and significant ROI on CMKX, two things must apply.
First, we have to have recoverable and cost-viable assets in the ground; which I sincerely belive we do, based solely on former claim locations.
And second, in order to see funds soon, there must also have been a sizable aggregate naked short position in CMKM Diamond shares; which again I sincerely beleieve there was, and I base that belief on my own pre-revocation trading-volume analysis.
Now if and only if both these conditions apply, I also believe that the eventual result could be a historically sizable settlement; and this I say because although such NSS situtations have often been alleged, one has never before been proven - as we CMKX shareholders may very well have done via our revocation-cert pull actions.
Anyway, that all being said, IMHO there is no way a sizable settlement could ever be paid without the paying industry first taking gigantic accounting write-downs; write-downs that would be the main focus of all financial reports filed.
And in Sparky's opinion, it only makes sense that the write-downs would be taken before an underlying settlement was even announced, and long before any related distribution. If this were not the case, the accountants signing off on the filings would have a real hard time excluding such an upcoming payable from the "Subsequent Events" section of any filing.
And for those reasons, Sparky has to wonder if all the these huge write-offs among the Prime Broker Pigs aren't actually comprised of much, much more than sub-prime mortgage woes.
Along these lines, no matter how far you stretch current default and foreclosure numbers - and even if you adjust them for leverage abuse - there is no way in he11 that even half of the $ 70 billion plus that has been written off in just the past quarter has anything at all to do with mortgages.
So anyway; IMHO, all these huge and recent write-downs by these Pig firms - firms that were just recently bragging about all their record revenues, earnings, and bonuses - they are precisely the type of write-downs we should expect if we are to be paid.
Any Sparky sure hopes the he11 there's a connection ~
BR,
Sparky
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Post by enoughalready on Nov 30, 2008 22:05:26 GMT -5
This is so old....
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