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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on May 6, 2010 20:34:48 GMT -5
Today at 7:39pm, chucky wrote: Wonder what's true in Hodges Bivens complaint and what's all hot air now........................ Certainly doesn't seem like we collected 3.87 trillion based on these doc....
jfarn DIAMOND JEDI Re: Mr. Casavant charged with RICO « Reply #25 Today at 8:24pm »
The latest work by the government:
a. makes the SEC civil complaint look like a watered down joke
and
b. Al Hodges complaint look as if is from Mars.
Speak up Al. Something don't jive here.
jf
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Post by prospector777x3 on May 7, 2010 1:10:10 GMT -5
Master Plan? Yeah right....It was all in the plans that we would all be come millionaires and UC saying its all for the shareholders...knowing his part was to take the fall??? C'mon people plain and simple....the SEC is not wanting to settle before court...they are wanting to destroy and discredit this company... If they prove UC the former pres of CMKX was a crook then we are his victims and not the SEC's. This is not playing out the way Hodges thought....he was saying He thought it would never go to trial. Its looking like the Justice system is busy painting the picture they want...perhaps Hodges was getting fed and pumped some b.s. lies to make him seem a nut and destroy any chances of a class action as well. If not hear and now I do believe God will judge those that stole from us...and his Justice will be perfect. Perhaps the economic catastrophy coming with the oil spill in the gulf is part of judgement for taking and wanting to take God out of America. I do believe judgement is coming on the houses of those that have done us wrong.
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Post by Duc N Altum on May 7, 2010 2:06:02 GMT -5
You telling me I'm spinning again? I don't spin shi*. Don't disrespect me. I'm calling it like I see it - UC will go down for his part no doubt. Now tell me, what does this have to do with Hodges case? Toughen up.... I was simply saying that whatever transpires (good or bad), many will try to spin it positive. UC is wanted on RICO charges, some may view this as the master plam. Considering we have been led to believe that this is a major sting and CMKX was working with Mahue, SEC, DOJ etc, I don't can't see how this may be construed as a positive development. Briwadd Just my own opinions and thoughts of this topic. As my earlier post believing things are not as they appear and that I personally find alot of contradictions with how UC is played out to look bad and might have done a ton wrong and his appears to be on the CMKX Most Wanted List for wrong doing. My mind can not process how the surface of thought or thoughts of how UC is looking so bad as I said in my earlier post in this thread with he being a prison guard and I would bet that someone who has witnessed such, might have a stronger self understanding of realization of knowing what not to do in avoiding what his eyes might of witnessed while working the prison system. Also the other thought of all the 19 + years of acquiring all the claims that he did and with it being untapped land, and third party verification documentation has leaked pieces of messages throughout the years of this land that we have (or in the present tense, it looks like we lost most of it but I will throw my thought out on that next) and near by. I just can't see UC blindly trying to take over a hundred million when he most likely knows that he has billions or higher in valuation. It just does not make sense. And I am not thinking that UC was a 100% clean BUT if he was not, who was he really not 100% clean with or against? With what UC might of not looked so clean in, might it really of been against for example, those in the dirty shell company who might of been trying to steal away UC's portion/ ownership, control, etc? If you get rid of UC, isn't it more for those left in the devil's den? I am really of the personal belief that if UC has done anything at all, it could of been against those who once they found out what valuation UC had brought to the table, and greed set in amongst the rest, I could see he fighting fire with fire if he got caught in the moment or moments. The way I am looking at UC's role up to now, is of two different ways or two objectives and or purposes. The first example, as I said in my other post, I can see part of the deal, of if Maheu and team want to take care of us without having the market meltdown if the truth really got out, I could see UC saying yes I will play the roll of a bad guy to take the focus off the market, but only if they are taking care of and repairing the damage done to this company and shareholder base. And the second purpose or role I see of UC, I would like to put it in comparison of Robert Maheu to Howard Hughes. I believe it was said by Howard Hughes that he would take care of Robert Maheu while he worked for him. And when his time came for retiring or departing from Hughes, that Howard would also take a little extra care of he. And while working for Hughes, he had a $500,000 annual salary, and when it came time for Maheu's departure, the Hughes organization applied some public slander to Robert Maheu's name. So Robert Maheu took the Hughes organization to court, and when all was said and done, Maheu wound up winning a $2 million settlement and I believe it to be tax free. Was that not an interesting route to pay out a bonus? Now apply that scenario to our situation. UC is made to look like the bad guy that supposedly done us wrong. If any of certain moneys needs to come tax free through a settlement, wouldn't or couldn't that be an avenue of disguising a payout portion to us damaged shareholders? It gives a public disguise of hiding our naked short money if it were to be released in the CMKX name without the truth getting out and damaging the system for what could be a long time with joe public's lacking confidence of the system. Also what I find funny and most likely proves a point, David J Mar an ole friend to UC, said one night a couple years ago about a CMKM court hearing that Kevin West and Bill Frizzell were at in Vegas one day. After wards, David explained a situation with he and Bill. And Bill knew that David was an old friend of Urban's and at this particular time it was made to look like Tyler was going after UC because of some mysterious boxes that all of the sudden showed up on their front step that all of the sudden made UC look bad and their claim of wanting to serve UC. Well anyway, David said that he started to say to Bill Frizzell, " Hey Bill, if you are looking for Urban I can tell you......" and David said that Bill Frizzell ran the world record sprint getting away from David. Now why would that be? Could it be that they really did not want UC because he really did not do anything against us as it was made to look like? But with this claim that UC did, it sure can look like the scenario above with UC scripted to look like he is the fall guy to take the focus off the prying eyes to the SEC/market's naked shorting. Also when was the last court case in April when the Casavant's had their shares deleted? April 12th? When ever it was, the court document had a list of all the defendants and their address's in there and if they were so concerned with trying to find UC, wasn't Carolyn, Urban's wife's name one of the defendants and did it not claim to have her address? Well, did I miss something? Did Urban and Carolyn get a divorce and she now lives by herself? I would not think so from what I have heard many say how well of a loving relationship they both have had. And also, didn't Urban also name a major kimberlite pipeline after his wife? Hhhhhhm? Anyway, sorry for the verbal regurgitation but just throwing out what I see as some more points to add to my belief that I really believe that things are not as they appear. And who knows, maybe UC taking on this role of looking like a bad guy, just the fact that "RICO" has an attachment to the CMKX/M situation, maybe UC is just playing chauffeur and bringing RICO to the dance and maybe justify and help make our money look like not a surprise. Anyway, all just thoughts that may appear to be out in left field on rain delay, but they are just thoughts.
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Post by Duc N Altum on May 7, 2010 2:27:10 GMT -5
Master Plan? Yeah right....It was all in the plans that we would all be come millionaires and UC saying its all for the shareholders...knowing his part was to take the fall??? C'mon people plain and simple....the SEC is not wanting to settle before court...they are wanting to destroy and discredit this company... If they prove UC the former pres of CMKX was a crook then we are his victims and not the SEC's. This is not playing out the way Hodges thought....he was saying He thought it would never go to trial. Its looking like the Justice system is busy painting the picture they want...perhaps Hodges was getting fed and pumped some b.s. lies to make him seem a nut and destroy any chances of a class action as well. If not hear and now I do believe God will judge those that stole from us...and his Justice will be perfect. Perhaps the economic catastrophy coming with the oil spill in the gulf is part of judgement for taking and wanting to take God out of America. I do believe judgement is coming on the houses of those that have done us wrong. In my full opinion, the last thing anybody from the market wants, is Urban to show up in court and have his testimony of what really happened become truth to where what goes on in court is then public information. And I give the script of Kevin and Bill looking like they are trying to serve Urban an ulitimate high five because that has to be shorty's worst nightmare. Hmmm...?.. Bud Burrell said back in 05 to 06, that there have been thousands of companies that have been put out of business do to complete naked shorting. And if there were FINALLY a naked short case/ testimony that was allowed to enter a courtroom ( because I remember reading back in 2007 that 2 separate court cases in 2 separate states had both judges say, no we are not going to have this case in court because no jury would understand such a topic...hhmmm?) then I wonder how many companies would be able to use that testimony to prove life of their issues and situations. Sounds like that would be a never ending revolving door and all the bad press that would leak out and melting confidence in our stock market? I do not think the market would want that nor our country. And also UC pleading the 5th in the hearing in 05 was masterful in my opinion. He did not say boo which could look like he was hiding something and or guilty but in a different light, I see it as not wasting any ammo before you get to the battle Field. So while it would take time for all to cover during our self revocation, that lurking and anxious Ora of the CMKX situation of you better cover or UC could wind up in court and bust the lid wide open on everything with all that happened in what has been said as thee largest naked short in history? Hmmm? I would pay for a front row seat for that action. Anyway, just my opinion.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on May 7, 2010 8:01:22 GMT -5
ty Bikinipro..... noahltl Administrator Re: Urban charged with Rico « Reply #1 Yesterday at 10:06pm »
Indictment of the "actor" has always been a part oF the 'PLAY' in every sting that I was involved in. Conviction, however is another whole thing.
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Post by beavis on May 7, 2010 8:34:11 GMT -5
You telling me I'm spinning again? I don't spin shi*. Don't disrespect me. I'm calling it like I see it - UC will go down for his part no doubt. Now tell me, what does this have to do with Hodges case? If he's quoting you.... like this.. then yep, he is more then likely talking to you. If he's just posting after you do, well that's more then likely just the timing or he is just replying to the thread. Your wound so tight you could crap out a diamond all by yourself. ;D Z. That's not a bad idea... I could be like the Golden Goose! (at least it would tie me over til we get paid)
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Post by beavis on May 7, 2010 8:35:42 GMT -5
Toughen up.... I was simply saying that whatever transpires (good or bad), many will try to spin it positive. UC is wanted on RICO charges, some may view this as the master plam. Considering we have been led to believe that this is a major sting and CMKX was working with Mahue, SEC, DOJ etc, I don't can't see how this may be construed as a positive development. Briwadd Just my own opinions and thoughts of this topic. As my earlier post believing things are not as they appear and that I personally find alot of contradictions with how UC is played out to look bad and might have done a ton wrong and his appears to be on the CMKX Most Wanted List for wrong doing. My mind can not process how the surface of thought or thoughts of how UC is looking so bad as I said in my earlier post in this thread with he being a prison guard and I would bet that someone who has witnessed such, might have a stronger self understanding of realization of knowing what not to do in avoiding what his eyes might of witnessed while working the prison system. Also the other thought of all the 19 + years of acquiring all the claims that he did and with it being untapped land, and third party verification documentation has leaked pieces of messages throughout the years of this land that we have (or in the present tense, it looks like we lost most of it but I will throw my thought out on that next) and near by. I just can't see UC blindly trying to take over a hundred million when he most likely knows that he has billions or higher in valuation. It just does not make sense. And I am not thinking that UC was a 100% clean BUT if he was not, who was he really not 100% clean with or against? With what UC might of not looked so clean in, might it really of been against for example, those in the dirty shell company who might of been trying to steal away UC's portion/ ownership, control, etc? If you get rid of UC, isn't it more for those left in the devil's den? I am really of the personal belief that if UC has done anything at all, it could of been against those who once they found out what valuation UC had brought to the table, and greed set in amongst the rest, I could see he fighting fire with fire if he got caught in the moment or moments. The way I am looking at UC's role up to now, is of two different ways or two objectives and or purposes. The first example, as I said in my other post, I can see part of the deal, of if Maheu and team want to take care of us without having the market meltdown if the truth really got out, I could see UC saying yes I will play the roll of a bad guy to take the focus off the market, but only if they are taking care of and repairing the damage done to this company and shareholder base. And the second purpose or role I see of UC, I would like to put it in comparison of Robert Maheu to Howard Hughes. I believe it was said by Howard Hughes that he would take care of Robert Maheu while he worked for him. And when his time came for retiring or departing from Hughes, that Howard would also take a little extra care of he. And while working for Hughes, he had a $500,000 annual salary, and when it came time for Maheu's departure, the Hughes organization applied some public slander to Robert Maheu's name. So Robert Maheu took the Hughes organization to court, and when all was said and done, Maheu wound up winning a $2 million settlement and I believe it to be tax free. Was that not an interesting route to pay out a bonus? Now apply that scenario to our situation. UC is made to look like the bad guy that supposedly done us wrong. If any of certain moneys needs to come tax free through a settlement, wouldn't or couldn't that be an avenue of disguising a payout portion to us damaged shareholders? It gives a public disguise of hiding our naked short money if it were to be released in the CMKX name without the truth getting out and damaging the system for what could be a long time with joe public's lacking confidence of the system. Also what I find funny and most likely proves a point, David J Mar an ole friend to UC, said one night a couple years ago about a CMKM court hearing that Kevin West and Bill Frizzell were at in Vegas one day. After wards, David explained a situation with he and Bill. And Bill knew that David was an old friend of Urban's and at this particular time it was made to look like Tyler was going after UC because of some mysterious boxes that all of the sudden showed up on their front step that all of the sudden made UC look bad and their claim of wanting to serve UC. Well anyway, David said that he started to say to Bill Frizzell, " Hey Bill, if you are looking for Urban I can tell you......" and David said that Bill Frizzell ran the world record sprint getting away from David. Now why would that be? Could it be that they really did not want UC because he really did not do anything against us as it was made to look like? But with this claim that UC did, it sure can look like the scenario above with UC scripted to look like he is the fall guy to take the focus off the prying eyes to the SEC/market's naked shorting. Also when was the last court case in April when the Casavant's had their shares deleted? April 12th? When ever it was, the court document had a list of all the defendants and their address's in there and if they were so concerned with trying to find UC, wasn't Carolyn, Urban's wife's name one of the defendants and did it not claim to have her address? Well, did I miss something? Did Urban and Carolyn get a divorce and she now lives by herself? I would not think so from what I have heard many say how well of a loving relationship they both have had. And also, didn't Urban also name a major kimberlite pipeline after his wife? Hhhhhhm? Anyway, sorry for the verbal regurgitation but just throwing out what I see as some more points to add to my belief that I really believe that things are not as they appear. And who knows, maybe UC taking on this role of looking like a bad guy, just the fact that "RICO" has an attachment to the CMKX/M situation, maybe UC is just playing chauffeur and bringing RICO to the dance and maybe justify and help make our money look like not a surprise. Anyway, all just thoughts that may appear to be out in left field on rain delay, but they are just thoughts. A lot of good points there Duc
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on May 7, 2010 10:21:22 GMT -5
kinda puts a dent in the sting theory if correct, no? but hadn't it already shed a dim light on the sting theory when the indictments first came out, which were unsealed in September 2009 (filed in May 2009)? Before this Second Superseding Indictment came out, we were already aware (as was Al Hodges & Team ), that Urban Casavant had been criminally charged with many infractions. Al Hodges & Team , knowing this as fact, still moved forward with the lawsuit, against the SEC Officials, in January 2010. Does this Second Superseding Indictment really make any difference, in the Hodges suit, just because they added additional charges and defendants? Seems to me, that even after having the facts, regarding Urban's indictment back in 2009, Al Hodges and Team still determined that they had enough evidence to file suit, against those who they believe have wronged the shareholders. just my opinion.... SINGLE
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Post by prospector777x3 on May 7, 2010 16:40:19 GMT -5
I hope some of you are correct about this, either way if monies were set aside as settlement for us shareholders we have the rite to receive the pay out even if UC was a crook.
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Post by deltadon30228 on May 7, 2010 17:24:33 GMT -5
Maheu set it up this way, create a distraction with the left hand while the right one does the work. This is all slight of hand to keep the economic backbone from snapping. This story was designed to have many hands involved, compartmentalization.
This is like back surgery, where there is tons of nerves near the spine. To maintain any kind of economic stability you must be very careful or you will literally paralyze a nation/world. As we sit in the seats watching the surgery take place, there are way too many hands involved at the surgery table to keep an eye on all of them. This is exactly how IBM operated throughout his life.
No one will ever convince me that Urban is a crook or that he will go to prison or for that matter even serve one day. Urban was IBM's principle on the surface to keep the masses eyes occupied while deep below the surface a battle raged and was won.
Thanks to Urban for playing his role and looking like a criminal, that must be very hard for a man who has every intention of tremendously changing the lives of many and possibly generations of lives, he and this team deserve the Noble Peace Prize, and to think Al Gore won it a few years back, what a joke!
And Maheu, God rest his sole and as he looks down to see his plan unfolding. We own a debt of gratitude to these guys.
This is just my personal feelings and opinion
Don
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Post by bubba on May 7, 2010 17:30:00 GMT -5
Thanks delta, I may sound like an idiot but if this sting was planned to catch the crooks then I don't understand why the crooks were allowed to buy themselves out of prosecution? Wasn't the point to stop the criminals? We get paid which is a good thing and hey I would rather get paid then get nothing in exchange for those criminals behind bars... but...why would the gov't have this elaborate plan just to make cmkx shareholders wealthy..or were they planning on keeping the money to pay down the national dept? lol
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Post by deltadon30228 on May 7, 2010 17:41:57 GMT -5
Bubba,
This was/is a very complex battle on many fronts, many have went to jail, many have had to pay and most important the amount money exchanged from Evil to Good is astronomical.
Much more is and can be accomplished by a massive payout/combination of jail sentences and regulatory reform versus just sending all to prison. Lucky for us!
I hope that made sense, I'm getting old.
Don, IMHO!
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Post by williamoverture on May 9, 2010 20:16:42 GMT -5
It amazes me that I did not look at anything about CMKX for probably 2 years. And then I got a notice of the Transfer Agent. I listed them, and then I came and started to read stuff about CMKX again. And the thing is, it is like I was just reading this same stuff yesterday. The conversations are still exactly the same. I wish I could believe as the most of you do, but I just do not seem to have the faith in the fact that we Will ever get anything out of this. I can not understand exactly what the Attorney stands to gain from this either? Is he working on a retainer, or is he working for a percentage of anything that we may get? I have over 100 million shares of stock, and I just can not muster up the faith that all of you seem to have. I have studied the Hodges Law Firm, and please correct me if I am wrong, I just do not anything extraordinary about them with cases of this kind? I honestly do not mean so negative, but I just do not see where there is really any reason to be any other way.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on May 9, 2010 20:29:09 GMT -5
It amazes me that I did not look at anything about CMKX for probably 2 years. And then I got a notice of the Transfer Agent. I listed them, and then I came and started to read stuff about CMKX again. And the thing is, it is like I was just reading this same stuff yesterday. The conversations are still exactly the same. I wish I could believe as the most of you do, but I just do not seem to have the faith in the fact that we Will ever get anything out of this. I can not understand exactly what the Attorney stands to gain from this either? Is he working on a retainer, or is he working for a percentage of anything that we may get? I have over 100 million shares of stock, and I just can not muster up the faith that all of you seem to have. I have studied the Hodges Law Firm, and please correct me if I am wrong, I just do not anything extraordinary about them with cases of this kind? I honestly do not mean so negative, but I just do not see where there is really any reason to be any other way. sobeit...... to each their own, Good Luck to us ALL !! SINGLE
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Post by z06mike on Nov 22, 2010 12:54:23 GMT -5
Today at 7:39pm, chucky wrote:Wonder what's true in Hodges Bivens complaint and what's all hot air now........................ Certainly doesn't seem like we collected 3.87 trillion based on these doc.... jfarn DIAMOND JEDI Re: Mr. Casavant charged with RICO « Reply #25 Today at 8:24pm » The latest work by the government:a. makes the SEC civil complaint look like a watered down joke and b. Al Hodges complaint look as if is from Mars. Speak up Al. Something don't jive here.jf The term is "jibe" not "jive" unless of course it's being spoken. In that case, June Cleaver cleared that up on Airplane...
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