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Post by mustang on Jul 4, 2010 21:27:15 GMT -5
Please don't rip me for this question. This is a very sincere question. I just don't see how it would be possible to collect 3.7 Trillion dollars. Even if you got every market maker, hedge fund manager and everyone else who shorted the company to the ground, and took all of there assets, there is no way you could come up with 3.7 TRILLION dollars. This question may have been answered in the past, and if it has I apologize, but someone that understands this better than I do, please help me wrap this number around my head. Thank you!
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Post by mailman78 on Jul 4, 2010 21:32:17 GMT -5
Sincere Answer. It is best to do your homework !
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Post by mustang on Jul 4, 2010 21:41:19 GMT -5
Does everyone here have to have a smart alec response to ever question that isn't necessarily positive to our situation. Mailman, if you you are so smart and have all the answers, please post something that can help me understand this. If there is a thread that I can look at, please provide. Show me where you have done your homework and I will be grateful. The reason I posted the title as a sincere question to hopefully avoid ignorant rude responses such as yours.
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Post by towtruck78 on Jul 4, 2010 22:08:06 GMT -5
Mustang,
I don't have the answer to your question, but I too have a hard time grasping the 3.7T figure. I have spent hundreds of hours reading documents and the boards and can't figure realistically where it would all come from. If this number is true, it would be absolutely phenomenal.
I think it would be much more plausible to get 3.7 or 37 billion, which would still be a fantastic return on our investment. One huge divy payment. Did I say divy? Sorry!
Bill
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Post by hacksawjim on Jul 4, 2010 22:18:01 GMT -5
don't rip me? but if you answer, in a way i don't like, be prepared to be ripped.
nice manners
hack
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Post by mustang on Jul 4, 2010 22:44:46 GMT -5
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Post by TallyHo on Jul 4, 2010 22:51:36 GMT -5
You aren't going to get an answer. No one has seen proof of the trust......not even the plaintiffs. Some on here claim to know it exists, but from what we can tell, it hasn't been shown to exist. I'll get flamed for this post, but it is what it is. Sit back and hope it turns out for the best.
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Post by super on Jul 5, 2010 0:57:18 GMT -5
Does it really matter if it is 3.7 trillion, 3.7 billion or 3.7million? You will believe what you want to believe. Al say Trillion! That's what we have to believe. Is it really such a horrible thing to comprehend?
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Post by supercim1 on Jul 5, 2010 4:17:53 GMT -5
IMO, those who believe we will get $3.87 trillions are mainly high school kids. It's easy for most of us to digest if it's .05 pps.
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Post by NobleForce2 on Jul 5, 2010 4:59:08 GMT -5
All you have to do is read the lawsuit. All of the alleged money is not from market makers and hedge funds.
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Post by cmkxerlong on Jul 5, 2010 7:22:53 GMT -5
mustang, you must realize that naked short selling is "black money" that these crooks do not have to report to the IRS because they was never a opposite transaction.
They have been doing this for about 20 years! Pure profit stolen and hidden off-shores! It's like the drug trade. The only difference is that the drug trade is done in cash. Pablo Escabar, (I can't remember if it was Patrick Byrne or Mark Faulk mention), had enough cash to pay-off the entire Columbian national debt, about $30 Billion, in the 80's or 90's.
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Post by varnson on Jul 5, 2010 7:59:58 GMT -5
Here one for you all the hedge funds registered in the USA with a total of over 10,000 funds have just a total of 1.8 Trillion and we are to get almost twice that? The largest payout of any kind was about 10B but we are to get 3,790 BILLION more? See what I mean.
Sorry folks but Mustang is right that does not add up. If in fact that were true then many of the brokers would have gone out of business now I know some will say that many HF went out of business and did but it was 30/1 leverage but that was all part of the plan right?
Which is the standard answer when nobody can give an intelligent logical answer like the one above. Most on these boards don't even know how much a trillion is or just how outlandish it is to think we would get that when many a company in the past that were profitable and actually made money never received anything for there loses but we will?
The old saying is so true "If it sounds too good to be true...Then its is" If we got .05 we would be so very lucky so we will see and I challenge anyone to explain to me and convince how we could get 3.8T from a company that never filed SEC regs on time, drilled less then 20 holes on 2M acres "testing", supposed paid the CA gov $12.00 per hectre a year or $24M that all claim holders have to pay, never turned one dollar in revenue and frankly did out out a PR that can be proven to confirmed as valid in its content and not all BS and lastly nobody pays 100s of billions or trillions for untested , undeveloped claims in any country now.
I suppose some wuill say what about Afghanistan well the Russians tested it for many years and we now have tested it and we believe it could be worth UP TO 3 Trillion so let her rip Guys. I don't mean to be downer I just don't believe all the fluffy feel good stories that many do because they don't add up...period.
Cheers,
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Post by z06mike on Jul 5, 2010 8:22:50 GMT -5
Mustang,
I feel the same way. I'll try to make this as humorous and informative as possible. You must understand that the negative responders are nothing more than posers. Posers are those that, over time, are willing to take down an entire organization just to be sure that "the new guy" gets tortured and abused as much as they were. They are largely folks that have 2 years experience twenty-five times over because their behavior is unsustainable in any organization. Hence, they are identified and jettisoned from that organization, forcing them to start anew elsewhere. Although the psychology behind it is textbook, novelish and probably strangely erotic-to them.
I had a job in a machine shop fresh out high school. There were two of these guys (45-50ish) that were really dumb-didn't understand sound resonance at all. They would go over by the air compressor and talk about the foreman. What they didn't understand was while they were shouting and could barely hear each other over the air compressor, the entire shop, including the foreman, could hear them loud and clear.
The best answer I've seen on this thread was the one that talked about this being done over time, offshore, similar to the drug trade by cmkxerlong. Also, understand that Al's suit is not all inclusive in terms of the players. Think about this too, how does a regular guy who gets elected Senator or Congressman for 175K per year become extremely wealthy, own land on an island, etc? Our elected officials (senate finance committee, et al) designed laws to protect this naked short selling and derivatives. This thing is so deep and incestuous that it can never be solved. LOL-it was "banked on" that it can never be solved, that's the beauty of it, depending on your point of view. This is why Al refers to them as miscreants.
On the flip side, this corrupt machine is why a lot of folks believe that the lawsuit has nothing to do with us getting paid, except for pressure. Believe in your heart that there will never be a trial. We will get paid when the miscreants believe we have been pushed to the intersection of our patience and them being exposed. Therefore, we must move on this together. Frankly, I'm with Gus. 8000 shareholders sending documents to the right people simultaneously is "a" way of getting this done.
Mike
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Post by cmkxerlong on Jul 5, 2010 9:18:11 GMT -5
Why did I know that you would respond! LMAO What part of illegal naked shorting don't you understand? What part of "black money" don't you understand? In your world, none of these things mentioned exist to you. Which tells me your are one of 2 things: 1) brainwashed by MSM 2) paid basher Here one for you all the hedge funds registered in the USA with a total of over 10,000 funds have just a total of 1.8 Trillion and we are to get almost twice that? The largest payout of any kind was about 10B but we are to get 3,790 BILLION more? See what I mean.
Sorry folks but Mustang is right that does not add up. If in fact that were true then many of the brokers would have gone out of business now I know some will say that many HF went out of business and did but it was 30/1 leverage but that was all part of the plan right?
Which is the standard answer when nobody can give an intelligent logical answer like the one above. Most on these boards don't even know how much a trillion is or just how outlandish it is to think we would get that when many a company in the past that were profitable and actually made money never received anything for there loses but we will?
The old saying is so true "If it sounds too good to be true...Then its is" If we got .05 we would be so very lucky so we will see and I challenge anyone to explain to me and convince how we could get 3.8T from a company that never filed SEC regs on time, drilled less then 20 holes on 2M acres "testing", supposed paid the CA gov $12.00 per hectre a year or $24M that all claim holders have to pay, never turned one dollar in revenue and frankly did out out a PR that can be proven to confirmed as valid in its content and not all BS and lastly nobody pays 100s of billions or trillions for untested , undeveloped claims in any country now.
I suppose some wuill say what about Afghanistan well the Russians tested it for many years and we now have tested it and we believe it could be worth UP TO 3 Trillion so let her rip Guys. I don't mean to be downer I just don't believe all the fluffy feel good stories that many do because they don't add up...period.
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Post by varnson on Jul 5, 2010 9:26:18 GMT -5
So instead of saying what the so called black money is explain it so we can make an informed decision. I have been on these boards a long time and I am not a basher nor do I work for anyone other then myself, its always the same if some one questions anything they are the enemy.
Whatever I think and post will not change anything and your opinion will not either...so come on enlighthen us all on how we as CMKX will receive more money then all of Europe's GDPx 2
Come on because the lame excuse of its all part of the plan was old in 2005 as it is today...All I want is something believible ad not worldBS like the Queen and all the spooks in the dark crap.
I ca't wait for this....
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