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Post by TallyHo on May 28, 2010 15:47:42 GMT -5
We will all have to face each other someday if there is a party, do you want other shareholders to remember you as cool, calm and collected or as one of the pirranha's? Don, IMHO! I'll take being remembered as an idenpendent thinker that doesn't follow the heard like some lost sheep. It is in my nature to always question until I have proof. I have never blindly followed and I never will. I don't know who you are and you don't know who I am. what i do know, is that you have no more of a clue about this than I do. What you are saying and holding on to, is purely your opinion based on stuff yu have have been told by people you don't know. I am a licensed engineer......I know plenty of licensed engineers that have been in their field for 30 years. That sure as h3ll doesn't mean i trust them all to be good at the craft. In fact, a lot of them are terrible. That said, I don't know AH. I don't know his competency level as an attorney. I am not going to take what he says as the truth, just because he said it. So, please don't get all high and mighty on me and sit there and opine about the "plan," as you have no more of an idea about this than I do. So, until AH comes back with a response, we all wait. In the mean time, I am sure everyone has the right to voice their opinion on the motion to dimiss. tyvm
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Post by TallyHo on May 28, 2010 15:51:47 GMT -5
the bashers are coming to the top dude.....what part of "bashing" do you not get? There is nothing to bash.....we are delisted. The people voicing their opinion are the ones that have deep concern for where this is headed. That Crazy777 guy is a little over the top, i will admit it. I hope this all works out for us. I just don't think it is going like we thought. The dismissal should have come from AH IMHO, not the SEC. the fact that they are filing, leads me to believe they are fighting this law suit and not rolling over.
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Post by mrabner on May 28, 2010 15:53:02 GMT -5
i agree that every should have an opinion, but at the same time you when stating said opinion you should know what your talking about, if you have an opinion about law, you should at least be a lawyer, i would bet not alot of these post are from lawyers, to bash someone thats not here as our expert is just that "bashing", theres a big difference here on whats opinion and whats bashing. if your a law expert then please disregard this!
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Post by agfadoc on May 28, 2010 15:55:59 GMT -5
You don't have to be a law expert to know that any decent lawyer will almost always file to dismiss. I know plenty of lawyers, does that make me an expert, nope. But I know how it works.
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Post by agfadoc on May 28, 2010 15:57:23 GMT -5
And I wouldn't get excited about a motion to dismiss. I'm not saying that it won't get dismissed, but they always file one.
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Post by mrabner on May 28, 2010 15:57:50 GMT -5
You don't have to be a law expert to know that any decent lawyer will almost always file to dismiss. I know plenty of lawyers, does that make me an expert, nope. But I know how it works. i know that and you know that, thats not really an opinion, thats common sense.
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Post by jimbob on May 28, 2010 15:57:55 GMT -5
I've been involved with this type of proceeding before; not to the magnitude but, similar. It is the law firms job, of a defendant, to defend. What the defendants law firm did was provide a blanket letter and simply filled in the related names. In a similar case, they even told me that I didn't exist; I had to prove I existed. When, after about 1 hour of proceedings, of a round table discussion, I simply provided signed documents, with the defendants signature, which the defendant did not make the lawyer aware of, and case was over; didn't even get to court. There was lots of egg on the defendant lawyers face and the defendant.
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Post by squeezebox on May 28, 2010 16:02:33 GMT -5
Tally, you sure are going out of your way to discredit everyone and everything. I would call you a basher if I was making those accusations. You continually post against any evidence that shows up or against anyone that has a positive attitude. You joined this board a month ago and speak like you are the king of all that is cmkx. some of us have been discussing this crap for years and here you come with all the answers, you and that Crazy guy. I will say to both of you to just sit back and let it play out instead of trying to act like a big shot know-it-all!
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Post by epona411 on May 28, 2010 16:02:33 GMT -5
Wow some of you really need to stop pyssing in peoples cheerios...
Take some Midol, get a box of chocolates and take a nap. There's no reason to dissect anyone's message and take things/make things personal...There are some good people on this board and I know emotions are running high but some of this is getting exhausting to scan through...
It's a MOTION. Wait and see what happens, its up to the judge. All the speculating in the world right now wont make a dang difference so maybe a few ppl here need to crack a beer and head to the pool for the holiday weekend. We wait like we always do for the finale whatever/whenever that might be. If this is the beginning of the end then I'll be having a lot more beers to come, but hopefully its just another bump in the road.
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Post by 3bid on May 28, 2010 16:04:00 GMT -5
Tally, you sure are going out of your way to discredit everyone and everything. I would call you a basher if I was making those accusations. You continually post against any evidence that shows up or against anyone that has a positive attitude. You joined this board a month ago and speak like you are the king of all that is cmkx. some of us have been discussing this crap for years and here you come with all the answers, you and that Crazy guy. I will say to both of you to just sit back and let it play out instead of trying to act like a big shot know-it-all!
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Post by TallyHo on May 28, 2010 16:24:46 GMT -5
Tally, you sure are going out of your way to discredit everyone and everything. I would call you a basher if I was making those accusations. You continually post against any evidence that shows up or against anyone that has a positive attitude. You joined this board a month ago and speak like you are the king of all that is cmkx. some of us have been discussing this crap for years and here you come with all the answers, you and that Crazy guy. I will say to both of you to just sit back and let it play out instead of trying to act like a big shot know-it-all! LOL....one post against that peter guy that was preaching to us. I have been dealing with this for years too. I just chose to step away for a while. I joined when I decided I wanted to comment. Where am I acting like a know it all? Did I ever say that AH is a liar and that he has no proof? Please show me if I did and I'll apologize. I've just said I want proof......that's it. Show me something and I will believe. Do I deserve the proof not being a defendant? That's debatable. I think I sort of do if people are going to post that I am going to be the recipient of $180M, then I am going to naturally ask for proof. I don't see how I am bashing a thing......I just want a bone thrown at me. Bashing to me would be doing something detrimental to the stock and the stock holders. I'd never do that as I own shares....makes no sense. Some of you people crack me up on here. If someone questions one thing, they get labeled a basher. It's nuts. It's like your defense and justification for believing everything you are told. You just respond with BASHER. So frustrating....I just want a good discussion. Whatever.....I'll shut my mouth and let you all get excited over this. It's not worth the frustration.
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Post by beavis on May 28, 2010 16:35:12 GMT -5
Surprisingly quiet from the plaintiffs and Al Hodges...
... if this was a bad thing I would imagine Bhollenegg coming out and calming everyone down...
... maybe there will be "an update" today... I can't imagine them leaving the shareholders in utter silence to figure this out for ourselves, or letting the "naysayers" have too much fun with this, lol.
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Post by himthrume on May 28, 2010 16:47:52 GMT -5
Two more quotes and I will quit: To have a property interest in a benefit, a person clearly must have more than an abstract need or desire for it. He must have more than a unilateral expectation of it. He must, instead, have a legitimate claim of entitlement to it.... ....Moreover, numerous cases illustrate the proposition that an individual has no property interest in a particular benefit where a government agency retains discretion to grant or deny the benefit. So as long as we claim it is at their discretion, we have no claim at all. Do I read that right? This is pretty interesting... it seems the government is pretty much saying... "we have the money you are requesting... but you have to have more then a desire for it, a want or need for it, you need to have more then an expectation for it... you need to have a legitimate right to it... and frankly you dont! Also, the past has shown that in a case where the government retains the right to grant or deny the benefit... no one has a property interest in it." It seems they are saying they collected the money at their discretion and they will decide what is done with it. I'm not sure how to argue this point... the bottom line is we all feel entitled for compensation for being used by the government... but the government uses people all the time for what it deems as the greater good. While I dont disagree that we should be compensated for our financial losses... how do we argue such a huge return? a million dollars for every 30-40 dollars spent on stock? Sound great to me... but I dant see the arguement for it. The bottom line is that when the government takes action and collects... it holds the discretion as to what is done with what it collects... and there is no private interest in the property it collects... argh...
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Post by davesaint on May 28, 2010 16:56:30 GMT -5
how do we argue such a huge return? a million dollars for every 30-40 dollars spent on stock? Sound great to me... but I dant see the arguement for it. The bottom line is that when the government takes action and collects... it holds the discretion as to what is done with what it collects... and there is no private interest in the property it collects... argh...
Maybe, but what if there is a written agreement agreeing to what was to be paid signed off by all parties. This would equate to a contract.k
Contract = offer + acceptance + consideration
Davesaint
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Post by himthrume on May 28, 2010 17:02:40 GMT -5
how do we argue such a huge return? a million dollars for every 30-40 dollars spent on stock? Sound great to me... but I dant see the arguement for it. The bottom line is that when the government takes action and collects... it holds the discretion as to what is done with what it collects... and there is no private interest in the property it collects... argh... Maybe, but what if there is a written agreement agreeing to what was to be paid signed off by all parties. This would equate to a contract.k Contract = offer + acceptance + consideration Davesaint That would definitely be something... I would also have a hard time with the fact that my right were violated by these individuals and that an agreement was made to allow them to walk w/o my consent... I either want what was collected or I want them in jail!
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