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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Aug 12, 2010 23:26:13 GMT -5
I am new to this board but not new to this saga...there are one of the two things that is a fact with this ordeal. There is money in a trust for share holders or Al and plaintiff (friends/associates) have formulated a plan to sell their shares through Deli. Now it seems they are running out of steam (excuses/delays) and Al is starting to close as noticeable through Wyatt in the room today. It appears Wyatt is laying the Ground work for the exit by stating Al is spending his money and to continue it will take money...this I believe is where Al close the door to this saga by asking for funds to continue which he know that will end his role...people do not be fooled into buying Deli (plaintiff's shares) I believe more that this is a plan for Al and friends to dump their shares. If you notice in all the latest mp3's the spoke person without being asked always mention Deli shares are good...good marketing!!!! Pongo, Wyatt Treffey and others..I apologize for the missed spelled words because I wanted to get this out after talking in length with an inside source who could no longer stand-by and let this continue Unless Mr. Hodges owns billions of shares, there is no financial gain for him to sell post rev through deli. He makes a decent enough living to be able to write this off and not look back. So, I don't agree he is "in" on this type of plan. I do think he is being used by others though, as for certain other individuals who have a few billion collectively (that purchased their shares through deli) would certainly benefit. And all this is just whizzing by West & Frizzell? They would have to be brain dead or part of the "scheme"? I can't for the life of me see how the 2 can be separated. SINGLE
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Post by nandi on Aug 13, 2010 8:47:43 GMT -5
I believe that treason is the big hammer Al Holds. When I was still allowed on Tramp's board, Al posted (sometime in FEB 2010 or thereabouts), that Counterfeiting securities in time of war is treason. I replied that I had been including that very statement in every correspondence with the SEC, the President, my representatives, etc since day one. Ask yourself, what would make a huge roomful of the wealthiest, most powerful men in the world stand up and ante up $6/share for a broken down cellar boxed pink sheet company? The threat of being stripped of their wealth and then hanged? Documented evidence of Treason? Might just do it. Just remember, one of the companies that got "killed" in this process was a software company that had developed a money tracking software that beat the technology of all others. I wonder what happened to that software and how it might be in use, today?? I for one, would dearly love to see that video. cheers. I'm with ya Brig, you know that but; there are many reasons these 'military forays', 'police actions' and 'nation building' exercises, with which we have been cursed since the 1950's, are SPECIFICALLY NOT called 'WARS', nor are these never-ending 'military exercises' DECLARED to be WAR by our treasonous CONGRESS, as specified by our Constitution for a very good reason -- those worthless, traitorous 'Representative' and Senator sons-of-biitches KNOW THEY'D HANG, as they should be hanging this very minute, for the turn-coat, money/power grubbing thieves and cowards that they are. If it is not a LAWFULLY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY DECLARED WAR, they can not ever be tried for treason "in time of war" - correct? n
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Post by Brigantine on Aug 13, 2010 9:52:29 GMT -5
Very True, Nandi.
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Post by TallyHo on Aug 16, 2010 9:56:50 GMT -5
If it is not a LAWFULLY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY DECLARED WAR, they can not ever be tried for treason "in time of war" - correct? n It's called MOOTW......Military Operation Other Than War and yes, you can be tried for Treason during a MOOTW, even though congress has not officially declared war. I believe it falls under the Law of Armed Conflict rules.
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Post by nandi on Aug 16, 2010 19:23:34 GMT -5
If it is not a LAWFULLY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY DECLARED WAR, they can not ever be tried for treason "in time of war" - correct? n It's called MOOTW......Military Operation Other Than War and yes, you can be tried for Treason during a MOOTW, even though congress has not officially declared war. I believe it falls under the Law of Armed Conflict rules. Thank you for this information. I googled MOOTW and read a great deal concerning it. Most of it seems to take place outside the Lawful boundaries of the United States of America. I also read this: www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jrm/mootw.pdfI can not find within MOOTW where there is LAWFUL Constitutional Authority to bring against any American the Lawful charge of Treason and execute said American. I very well could have missed it. Would you please point out where "Military Operation Other Than War" has been Constitutionally Authorized to execute any American Citizen for the act of Treason against the United States during any military operation other than war? I'd be most grateful. Thank you, n
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Post by TallyHo on Aug 17, 2010 9:41:18 GMT -5
It's called MOOTW......Military Operation Other Than War and yes, you can be tried for Treason during a MOOTW, even though congress has not officially declared war. I believe it falls under the Law of Armed Conflict rules. Thank you for this information. I googled MOOTW and read a great deal concerning it. Most of it seems to take place outside the Lawful boundaries of the United States of America. I also read this: www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jrm/mootw.pdfI can not find within MOOTW where there is LAWFUL Constitutional Authority to bring against any American the Lawful charge of Treason and execute said American. I very well could have missed it. Would you please point out where "Military Operation Other Than War" has been Constitutionally Authorized to execute any American Citizen for the act of Treason against the United States during any military operation other than war? I'd be most grateful. Thank you, n Glad you read up on MOOTW......every military operation since WWII has been a MOOTW. The last time congress declared war was in 1941, so think about that. As far as treason goes, it is punishible by death (under military rules) at any time, not just during war. It's been a while since I brushed up on my UCMJ, so i did some quick research. As you can see ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_military ), I think you may be confusing treason with desertion. Disertion is one on the crimes a military member can commit and if during time of war (I'm almost certain even MOOTW) they CAN (most likely won't) be executed. It's there as a deterrent for battlefield desertion. People won't turn and leave a fight if they know the commander can pop a cap in them. This comes from way back in the day. This battlefield summary execution by a CO, probably wouldn't go over too well these days. Treason against the US is always punishible by death. The problem is it is hard to prove it by it's definition unless you are talking about a physical (foreign country/army) entity that you aid that causes direct harm to the US. Treason in this case, seems like it would be pretty darn hard to even get charges filed. I like the rhetoric being used, but I don't think it qualifies as treason. IMO
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Post by nandi on Aug 17, 2010 11:00:32 GMT -5
tallyho, I am most grateful for your input and perspective. I do most sincerely mean 'treason'. Brig and I were referencing the treasonous acts by our 'Representative' and why we have not had a Constitutionally DECLARED war in the last 65 years of our never-ending embroilment's. www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A3Sec3Section 3 - Treason Note Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#TREASONTreason treason: n - the offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country or of assisting its enemies in war Source: NMW" Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." " ........assisting its enemies in war" In reviewing your contributions to this post, I am going to prob more deeply into this subject. It has been my long held belief that a 'Declared War' - and not these constant and never ending, vague "Police Actions' or these grotesque 'Foreign Aid Missions' - was the only 'event' that would garner the charge of Treason WITH the death penalty being attached. You may well be correct. I thank you again for this 'heads-up'. Now, whether this: " ........assisting its enemies in war" is enough to bring our traitorous politicians to trail and ultimately their execution, I do not know. Perhaps the day will soon dawn. For a fact, many of the folks who have 'served' in our Congress, and to include, quite a few of our past Presidents have, happily imo, " ...assisting its enemies in war." Still, the means and power to round up the legislative bunch and give them a trial, where they would, hopefully, be found fully guilty and then, be immediately put to death - the death I hold so many of them richly deserve - is probably a pipe-dream of mine. Never-the-less, I'm most grateful to you for prodding me into a little more research. My best to you, n Thank you for this information. I googled MOOTW and read a great deal concerning it. Most of it seems to take place outside the Lawful boundaries of the United States of America. I also read this: www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jrm/mootw.pdfI can not find within MOOTW where there is LAWFUL Constitutional Authority to bring against any American the Lawful charge of Treason and execute said American. I very well could have missed it. Would you please point out where "Military Operation Other Than War" has been Constitutionally Authorized to execute any American Citizen for the act of Treason against the United States during any military operation other than war? I'd be most grateful. Thank you, n Glad you read up on MOOTW......every military operation since WWII has been a MOOTW. The last time congress declared war was in 1941, so think about that. As far as treason goes, it is punishible by death (under military rules) at any time, not just during war. It's been a while since I brushed up on my UCMJ, so i did some quick research. As you can see ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_military ), I think you may be confusing treason with desertion. Disertion is one on the crimes a military member can commit and if during time of war (I'm almost certain even MOOTW) they CAN (most likely won't) be executed. It's there as a deterrent for battlefield desertion. People won't turn and leave a fight if they know the commander can pop a cap in them. This comes from way back in the day. This battlefield summary execution by a CO, probably wouldn't go over too well these days. Treason against the US is always punishible by death. The problem is it is hard to prove it by it's definition unless you are talking about a physical (foreign country/army) entity that you aid that causes direct harm to the US. Treason in this case, seems like it would be pretty darn hard to even get charges filed. I like the rhetoric being used, but I don't think it qualifies as treason. IMO
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