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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Dec 17, 2015 11:06:31 GMT -5
I agree John. There have been too many unanswered questions, discrepancies and "stories" full of more holes than a giant block of Swiss cheese. The SEC, DOJ, Lawyers, CEO's all guilty, of telling tales and trying to spoon feed undates & so called info.......with different versions and noticeable discrepancies amongst the whole mob of them. Time for someone to force the whole d*mn system to bare their azzes in Macy's window.
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Post by John Winston Lennon O'Boogie on Dec 17, 2015 11:20:44 GMT -5
Who will be the first to put out a Christmas message..?
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Post by portrush on Dec 17, 2015 16:14:50 GMT -5
Regarding the Spooner sentencing...
I had the pleasure of conferring with someone I know who is much more 'engaged' (for lack of a better word) with this particular trial process. I learned some of my misconceptions were based on my lack of attention to the detail along the way (my own fault) and therefore the following info clarified a lot.
It isn't a different trial, like I thought. Because the indictments include RICO charges, and Urban, Edwards, Turino, Spooner & Vissokovsky are named as an Enterprise. The DOJ was able to group everyone together, including Dvorak, Helen, Mitchell, Gutierrez, Kinney because Helen was the common denominator being Transfer Agent to all of them and issuing certs to all of them.
All those defendants went through Helen, to commit fraud against 9 companies and their investors. It's the same people (different companies) so, instead of 9 separate trials, the DOJ could legally lump them together. A criminal enterprise. In order for the group to be considered a criminal enterprise, some group members must work together over time and one person or a group of people must have the ability to make decisions for the group as a whole. It has to be 10 years or more for a RICO. The glue, Helen, is now deceased...so there is also the possibility that some of those charged may seek to be split off from the group and face the court on their own. And anyone of them could file motion after motion to stave off the government's efforts.
It would be unusual for the DOJ to hold sentencing on a Plea Agreement, before a defendant has actually completed cooperation without delivering what the agreed conditions request. Mitchell and Spooner have agreed to testify against defendants in their prosecution. Both Spooner and Mitchell signed agreements, including testimony, before the trial date changed from Sept 2015 to March 22, 2016. You don't get the 'reward' until you complete your end of the deal. The end of their deal is their testimony based on what they have produced in evidence. For example, Marco testified before a grand jury and provided evidence (evidence which may be used in CMKM trial) and then he was able to proceed to sentencing.
Point is, defendants give before they get. Their 'reward' of a reduced sentence is based on their level of cooperation. This way, DOJ does not have to haul already sentenced defendants out of prison to testify. Most jurors despise jailhouse testimony. They don’t believe or trust the prisoner. Before sentencing, defendants have in their agreements, taken responsibility for their own actions and are taking a chance when they enter into that agreement. After sentencing, jurors think prisoners are trying to wheel and deal and may lie, because they are already convicted.
I thought you may appreciate the greater understanding as I did.
pr
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Post by John Winston Lennon O'Boogie on Dec 17, 2015 16:40:45 GMT -5
Very nicely put pr..
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Post by raidermike99 on Dec 18, 2015 6:21:22 GMT -5
Who will be the first to put out a Christmas message..? UC
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Post by vulcanized crawler on Dec 18, 2015 7:32:48 GMT -5
so if everyone is convicted and sent to jail, do we get a anything?
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Post by portrush on Dec 18, 2015 9:19:14 GMT -5
so if everyone is convicted and sent to jail, do we get a anything? Remember the bank involved for this enterprise was apparently Wells...and SK said the company has reached its (undisclosed) settlement with them, presumably involving the numerous accounts Edwards had there. What that means in terms of distribution, I have no idea...but I believe SK's inference is that it will be reinvested into NHHI. pr
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Dec 18, 2015 9:34:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the information & clarity, Port.
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Post by portrush on Dec 18, 2015 13:57:27 GMT -5
Not sure how clear it is...but you're welcome. Never claimed to be a CMKX sage and like many on this adventure, I'm just trying to get my arms around it all...some days are more challenging than others. I know there's holes in the info and I expect them to some degree. Always said....it is what it is, it will happen when it happens. But it can happen now (whatever it is)--I'm ready. You?
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Post by vulcanized crawler on Dec 18, 2015 14:02:51 GMT -5
so from one hole into another. no wonder i like Al
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Dec 18, 2015 17:27:05 GMT -5
Single, let's understand something, I believe cmkx was nothing but a share selling scam. And I too believe that those who sold post revocation should be look at by law enforcement. Have a good evening And here....... Have a cat! >"< Understand ?? LOL LOL.....I don't think there is one person, on this board, who DOES NOT know what your opinion is, of the CMKX scenario. Must be a huge net you want thrown out there....... ALL involved , in the "post revocation crapium"....imo, must include hundreds of people?? Those knowingly selling, those knowingly buying, those knowingly handing out referrals for their "friends"... etc. etc. etc. IMO.... lots of dirty hands helping to perpetrate illegal activities?? ?? Including, but not limited to .. CMKX CEO ?? CMKX lawyers ?? CMKX shareholders ?? Other legal?? And.. anyone else who knowingly participated?? So, is the only people you believe & trust in...... "the Alphabets" ?? As for the cat.... Sorry I must refuse the offer. I already have 3 other "pitb" cats I would like to donate to charity. SINGLE #2211450 ezal13 4 hours ago It is an interesting read about DELI DOG So many names involved....so many names recognized from message boards... docslide.us/documents/marco-mar-19-98-main.html
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Post by John Winston Lennon O'Boogie on Dec 18, 2015 17:47:19 GMT -5
After all these years the Company is still doing a share count.. Everyone that hurt the Co., will have to return the shares.. We all know that U.C. and his family were the first. Deli was next and The last is Edwards and his gang.. There May have been a few in between that didn't make the news on these boards. The real question to Steve is, how many shares did we retire to date? It makes a big differences for when the Co. pays out a ROI. The less shares, the more money for us good shareholders. IMO JWLOB
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Post by thunkerdrone on Dec 19, 2015 12:18:19 GMT -5
so if everyone is convicted and sent to jail, do we get a anything? Remember the bank involved for this enterprise was apparently Wells...and SK said the company has reached its (undisclosed) settlement with them, presumably involving the numerous accounts Edwards had there. What that means in terms of distribution, I have no idea...but I believe SK's inference is that it will be reinvested into NHHI.pr With Gates waiting on the outcome of all that, interesting, it seems Gates` trail led to Wells Fargo too? Whether this all has anything to with the Maheu/Hodges milieu is another question. Wells Fargo Las Vegas Tower - 3800 Howard Hughes Parkway, Las Vegas
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Post by vulcanized crawler on Dec 19, 2015 19:28:19 GMT -5
i cant wait to own one eight hundred billionth of an oil well
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Dec 28, 2015 7:53:13 GMT -5
elmarco DIAMOND MINER Post by elmarco on Dec 25, 2015 at 8:37amThis is a must watch Urgent Christmas message from Stefan Molyneux and think of his message in relation to your shareholder knowledge of CMKX : www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhA0tScgqhQ&feature=youtu.beWhat have the shareholders received in return for 10 years of passive waiting ? What has our citizenry received in return for 10 years of covering up Naked Short selling in our financial system ?
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