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Post by 2018 on Aug 3, 2015 14:02:51 GMT -5
I wonder if the deposition is part of the reason for Al's positive attitude about payment... Was the payment .80 PPS? Skoondog I would have to think that Hodges had to have more info/facts and knowledge, then just the Stoecklein's deposition. Don't know if we can trust everything we read, and depending from whom, but it was in one of the updates or something Kevin West wrote, about the time that Urban was signing company over to him, that , that was the first time Kevin met hodges. That he met him for the first time with urban signing company to Kevin. We can certainly find that update/writeup by kevin to post it here. So that would be interesting. If kevin indeed met Hodges for the first time through meeting with urban.. when he was signing his company over.. and obviously its the same time Maheu and Don were in the company. It would indicate that Hodges knew Maheu and Stoecklein because that is certainly the same timing of them in and all the big things happening in cmkx.
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Post by 2018 on Aug 3, 2015 14:31:54 GMT -5
As I said.. discussion stem from this into other things:
yesterday at 9:38am Duc N Altum said: And here again is the "CMKM's Naked Short Story" thread for a revisit for those who chose to look it back over FOR THE LINE OF THINKING FOR THE 2 TRUST FUNDS TO BE RELEASED AFTER THE GOVERNMENT MAKES IT'S FIRST PAYMENT ( and obviously my opinion the first payment is coming from the insider court case " sale of claims from back in 2005 " )----> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ By Shareholder: DUC
Could you please explain how a sale of claims from 2005 could be hidden from everyone's view, no paper work, nothing. This doesn't mean I disagree with you, but I'd like to know how you perceived it happened, how it could be covered up with no paper work and who may have been involved.
Thanks for your interesting posts ~~~~~~~~~ Duc N Altum said:
I would like to post it BUT posting it thoroughly might openly prevent this from happening from actually happening if I were to go into detail and explain it here.
And with it being so hidden, and it makes complete sense to me that the Team needed to make this look as this whole thing does, but if the court were to all of the sudden were to uncover "a sale of claims from back in 2005" it would make sense to pay out the shareholders with this sale of claims that could be the excuse "FOR THE SMALL FIRST PAYMENT" instead of the already broke insiders who would not be able to even support a postage payment to a payout if the insiders had any money in comparison to all of the shares that we the shareholders have in comparison.
My ONLY optimism is the insider court case finally happening and right now that is only 1 month 1 week and 6 days away. And with one person saying back then, " a sale of claims happened in 2005 that is destined for the shareholders, AND AT ITS RIGHT TIME IT WILL BE RELEASED."
Now what I find interesting about this way back when this was said, if there were a sale of claims to be paid out to the shareholders, why not pay out this sale of claims through the 2 separate so called trusts, instead of this being said as if it was as if these sale of claims WERE NOT TO BE PLACED INTO THE TRUSTS, but instead this message went out as if this were to come out as a separate payment.
And obviously now add into the surface picture the insiders are broke and John Edwards for example had an issue many months ago where he had an issue of not being able to pay his attorney $18,500 and the Nevada court said, " no problem, keep your attorney and the taxpayers of Nevada will cover your attorney fees. So as these insiders are looked to be financially broke, and once again even if the insiders had money, there is almost no way that with all the shares the shareholders have, it makes sense that the insiders could not afford all the postage stamps for a mail out.
BUT A SALE OF CLAIMS, IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT OF ENOUGH VALUE WERE TO BE FOUND AT IT'S RIGHT TIME, LIKE THE INSIDER COURT CASE CIRCUS PICTURE WHERE THE SHAREHOLDERS WERE SHOWN EVERYWAY THAT THEY WERE ABUSED BY THE INSIDERS, WHAT A PERFECT SITUATION THAT THOSE LITTLE SALE OF CLAIMS FROM 2005 would be AS AN EXCUSE FOR THE 1st SMALL PAYMENT FROM THE GOVERNMENT and then THE 2 OTHER TRUST FUNDS COULD THEN BE RELEASED AND PAID THROUGH TRANSFER ONLINE off the radar, imo.
By: jay_adobe 17 Apr 2007, 01:30 PM EDT Msg. 525182 of 779742 (This msg. is a reply to 525179 by sparkysantos.) Jump to msg. #
sparky, Since the balance sheet MUST balance at a given point in time, I believe that since the assets could not equal the liabilities or the assets could not equal the debt plus the equity then 'equity', specifically 'shareholder equity', could be one of the missing points of datum. However, the three parts of the balance sheet - assets, liabilities, and shareholders' equity - could easily share responsibility for missing data. I believe there are no coincedences here and the information missing which caused the inability to form financial statements was purposely withheld as part of the overall plan for our situation.
By: jay_adobe 02 May 2007, 05:24 PM EDT Msg. 538216 of 779575 (This msg. is a reply to 538207 by diamondguru-one.) Jump to msg. #
diamondguru, Remember, as I've always said, this is event driven. I suppose the timeframe will be dependent on the length of time of the legal play, which must occur first. I believe it'll be over before you know it; time will pass fast for we will have much to read and comprehend and explore and discuss. I believe things are happening behind the scenes that we will never see; that we will never know; but in the end we will be happy and all will be surprised at who is left standing. imo
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Post by 2018 on Aug 3, 2015 14:43:30 GMT -5
Still from Stoecklein depo with sec. 2006 We have speculated in the past that since Maheu's mother name is Casavant, if there was family connection between Maheu and urban casavant.
Could this above translate into / confirm that speculation? Q did Maheu say why he was considering going on the board of Cmkm diamonds? A no Q have you ever subsequently learned how Maheu first became involved with Cmkm diamonds? A Not other then Urban Casavant asking him to join the board.
Q How did Urban Casavant meet Maheu? A I am not sure. I'm not exacly -- I am not going to speculate, so I don't really know.
Q I understand that its a speculation, but what's your best understanding of how Casavant met Maheu? A There was some introduction through one of Bob's relatives, somehow.
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Post by 2018 on Aug 4, 2015 14:18:45 GMT -5
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Post by 2018 on Aug 4, 2015 14:57:23 GMT -5
Maheu deposition Vs Stoecklein depositionthis below is Maheu depo: A I resigned because Mr. Stoecklein informed me that 20 it had been impossible to restructure from the lack of 21 information, to restructure the mistakes of the past. And 22 that he would be unable to conform with the filings that had 23 to be made at that time because of, again, lack of numbers. 24 It seemed to be impossible to crunch out the 25 necessary numbers to be in conformity. And that's when I
1 decided that it was time for me to take a walk. 2 Q At any point -- 3 A And I might add, and forfeit any money that was due 4 me.~~~~~~~~~~~~~ cmkx.info/Deposition-Donald-Stocklein-2006-01-24.pdf Below I will post Stoecklein deposition with SEC in 2006: Page 136 Now this to me shows a completely different picture and a message. Maheu got off BOD position obviously because that part of the job was done.
In words of Stoecklein: "It was not needed any longer. His job was over ."Maheu then got on the Task force , as the Trustee.
Stoecklein words:
There is a different obligation under the Task Force then there was under directorship of the company.[/ font]
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Post by 2018 on Aug 4, 2015 16:13:23 GMT -5
What is weird to me, is that it took me so many years to actually get to reading this. I don't know when it was posted out, and I am sure it did not come out right away after the depo which was in 2006, probably it took time to get it via freedom of information act.. but it gets us a window into some things.
I will tell you the feeling I get out of this. I am convinced that we are constantly NOT given all the info to make informed opinions on this whole debacle.I am also feeling that we are constantly pointed little snippets to lead us here and there, or to evoke certain feelings or conclusions. Example, like that maheu did not want to be paid his salary.. agreed to, because he realized there is no way to get the financials so he wanted to get out.. ( sounds negative right? )
That makes no sense at all, when you read Stoeckleins depo. It portrays completely different picture. It seems to me it was very intentional how Maheu and Stoecklein went about things. They simply set up things in the way to prepare us for the Cert Pull. After they did, they jumped into Task Force. That is where the work was continuing.
Neither Maheu or Stoecklein took their own council when they went in front of SEC. I think they wanted to set the record and say what they had to say.
You remember when Maheu said, we are kind of in the partnership.. SEC and task force.. to take care of the shareholders. its the same thing that Stoecklein also said to SEC in the end, just different words.You know, I think we can continue struggling here, as we do.. and its not a bad thing looking into things.. but some things will always evade us. I have been thinking about Stoecklein/Maheu so intent on saying how this is going to go in front of Federal judge and how they are going to get somebody to do it. It was their job to get somebody to do it.
Then we have heard about that TJmoran.. and all we got out of it, how company could not get documents out of him.. or rumors how Urban would not pay him .. etc.
I have my doubts.. about that whole debacle. I think its possible that TJMoran was used as diversion. Because the whole info out of that, was denying that anything was done. But denying everything was ALWAYS PART OF THIS for the public, - which included shareholders as well. When you read Stoecklein's deposition, or even his comments on SEC page regarding NSS, you see complete commitment. Complete commitment to the cause and issue at hand, and Cmkx. Bottom line, I don't think these guys have stopped in getting that done all the way.
There is no way they just quit. But that is what they would want us to be believed.. when its posted that TJmoran did not do anything.. well maybe he is not the guy.. who was getting it done. It would not be the first time we were served some diversion.
When you look at the commitment and efforts that Maheu and Stoecklein went through.. spending their time to go in front of SEC depositions.. Making a plan to even be able to have a cert pull. Getting entourage stock while, cleaning up company of everything else. Having urban pay for the cert pull. Talking about how Task Force will be compensated by the payments of Nss. 10% of incoming money. Telling SEC they already talked with governor or something of Nevada and looking into State law. Telling SEC they looked and did not find anything illegal , with the fact they wanted to make distribution only to those that pulled the certificates. etc.
this is not half arse job. I don't think they quit.. to have this done all the way. You cant have so much commitment, even lay it all out for SEC of how you want it done, to just quit.
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Post by 2018 on Aug 4, 2015 16:22:11 GMT -5
reading Stoecklein's deposition I find more relevance to Jay Adobe posts.
It is so often claimed, that it is the lack of money why things are done certain way, or supposedly not done, but then they still get done. And its not just about urban, its also with the new Cmkx management.
Like Maheu did not want to get paid.. but then he still stayed on Task force, and we also see from Stoecklein depo that there was another way for him to get paid. ( if it was about that)
Everybody would assume that Urban would not want Task force looking into the Cert Issues, but then.. he pays for the Task force expenses, it adds up from what we know.. 15k, 40k and then Cmkx gets 85k when they returned the entourage cert.
Here is a jay adobe post somebody gave me that also mentions money:
By: jay_adobe 30 Dec 2005, 09:18 PM EST Msg. 1291284 of 1308040 (This msg. is a reply to 1291261 by nufced.) Jump to msg. #
nufced, First, I dislike no one on the face of the earth, but you already know that. The welfare state of mind is something that I probably should not address, but it is the way I feel and think. The psychoanalyst reference made me smile. And you know the answer to that, too. You are one of the most pleasant persons I know. I do not believe Mr. Casavant is broke, but it needs to appear that way at this point in time. I think, yes, he is paying his share for this maneuver. Of course Don is still in the fray. And I believe he did not launder. I think this has had to be completed in this manner for the final outcome to be beneficial for the shareholders. I think when all is said and done, all will see that Mr. Casavant is a benevolent human being. I believe he was wronged and he had to get the big guns involved. And they are. I believe there are lots of things occurring to which we are not privy at this point in time. Of course, this is my opinion, as I am merely a shareholder.
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Post by 2018 on Aug 5, 2015 10:10:52 GMT -5
Info from researchers from present company.. shows completely different picture, in regards all above. Stoecklein Maheu plan.. or intentions were to file this case in federal court. We are told that TJmoran did not do it and did not want to do it.
That did seem like the next step for all the work Maheu and Stoecklein did prior. Was that the end of the road for their involvement? They just did not do it? Nobody else got it done? Certainly if Moran did not do it, and nobody else got hired or did it themselves, it would put in question all the expectations of the trust..
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Post by 2018 on Aug 5, 2015 13:17:43 GMT -5
And this is all that we got .. from official Pr's on the account of TJmoran filing interpleader. Monday August 28, 2006 12:40 pm ET 8/28/2006 Recently-retained legal counsel for CMKM, John T. Moran III of the Law Offices of Moran & Associates, a law firm whose residence is situated in the Great State of Nevada, will now proceed via the federal court system and, specifically, initiation of action in interpleader and for purpose of accounting and earmarking certificates to those shareholders presenting viable equity in the Company. As part of the Task Force's recommendation, the federal courts have subpoena power which, if deemed appropriate, could ultimately be used to gain cooperation from brokers that have allegedly-refused to comply with the Company and Task Force's efforts to date. This interpleader action must take place so that the Company can move forward.LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 19, 2006--CMKM Diamonds Inc. has named a shareholder, Kevin West, as the new Interim Chief Executive Officer of the Company CMKM Diamonds Issues Update Wednesday December 20, 3:55 pm ET LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--On Tuesday, The Company met with their corporate attorney, John T. Moran III of the Moran Law Firm, to discuss the status of interpleader to be filed with the Federal Court as discussed in the PR of 8-28-06.
The Company was informed that the pleadings are almost complete, however, Attorney Moran was made aware of and discovered additional Company information that dictated further investigation and due diligence that needed to be performed by all of the attorneys involved before the document can be completed.[/font]
Kevin is already Interim Ceo here. I think that Urban is on bod. So this pr I think came after shareholders heard the Rumors that Moran was supposed to already file the Interpleader but did not. Shareholders started calling Morans office, but then were told to stand down.
And then we get this BS update. So they all lied to shareholders. If they are putting in a PR that its "due diligence" but Rumors are that he is refusing to file the interpleader, plus that Urban has not paid him.. putting that PR our is complete FABRICATION. And it was probably at the same time they told shareholders to stop calling Moran's office, so this BULL was made up and served to shareholders, so they would stop calling Moran.
So how does Kevin, justify not telling shareholders the truth? There is absolutely nothing between this Obvious BULL .. to the next PR that just tells that company is instructing Moran to stop any work on behalf of the company.
April 05, 2007 03:35 PM Central Daylight Time CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Provides Information Update to Shareholders
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--CMKM Diamonds, Inc. has obtained office space at 615 South Broadway (2nd floor) in Tyler, Texas. Phones, a fax line and internet service will be operational next week.
The Company has instructed its current transfer agent, 1st Global Stock Transfer, LLC, to stop any further transfer or issuance of CMKM Diamonds, Inc. stock effective immediately. We have begun the process of a formal shareholder audit. The Company will be contracting with various third parties to assist with this very important audit.
The Company has instructed the law offices of Moran and Associates to cease any and all legal work on behalf of CMKM Diamonds until further notice.
So this is what is OFFICIALLY told to shareholders.
How pitiful. What a Crock. If you don't tell shareholders Fully what is going on, and exactly when it is going on, which of course is exactly the case here.. then obviously shareholders have absolutely no input in the situation.
These Official Pr's did not inform shareholders at all what is going on fully, and its also on Kevin who was an interim ceo that he did not and interim ceo- but also as a shareholder. ~~~~~~~~~~~
Not fully informing the shareholders, or simply not informing shareholders, not being flat out honest with shareholders, denying the true information to shareholders, seems to be a constant from everybody.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ its posted on the web that there was a pr telling shareholders to stop calling morans office, but I cant find it. "After a phone calls to Moron the Company was forced to issue a PR in Dec. 06. Company wants shareholders to stop calling Moran’s office."
Well, how nice of them to shield Morans office, from shareholders calls, while never fully informing shareholders of what is really going on. The usual. Shareholders are snubbed by all involved.
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Post by 2018 on Aug 5, 2015 13:26:45 GMT -5
Unofficially this is what is posted on cmkx boards: Dec 18, 2006 at 11:04pm Post by tfant53 on Dec 18, 2006 at 11:04pm Hi Everyone! It has been a while since I have had an opportunity to stop in and say hi. This is not just a stop in for hello. I find it necessary at this time to encourage as many shareholders as possible to email, fax, call, or stop by the office of John Moran III to find out: 1. What he has been doing with the interpleader. 2. Why he hasn't filed the "interpleader". 3. When he is expecting to file it? 4. Will he notify you when it is filed or make it known publically? 5. What does he suggest our action should be for his delay? The interpleader being filed is a "must" before CMKX can go forward any further at this time. The hold up is unacceptable and inexcusable as he has had it for some time and has already been paid in full. I see Cobra has encouraged the effort, and I fully concur at this time that we need to draw the strength to assist in pushing the interpleader through. I believe seeking answers to vital questions may be more useful than "demanding" that the interpleader be filed now, but it is important for Mr. Moran to fulfill his obligation and make the filing ASAP. To call the office of John T. Moran III Phone number: (702) 384-8424 I would agree that we continue to call until we know for sure that the Interpleader has been filed. Moran III, John T. - Moran & Associates 630 South 4th Street Las Vegas, NV 89101View Map Phone: (702) 384-8424 Fax: 702-384-6568 Email: jt3.moran@moranlawfirm.com Link to driving directions lasvegas.citysearch.com/profile/38219063/las_vegas_nv/moran_iii_john_t_moran_associates.html maps.citysearch.com/map/view/38219063 I am sure Kevin is doing everything he can right now to move this thing forward, wherever it may be going. Nothing moves without the interpleader being filed! Nothing with CMKX! JMHO of course. There are a lot of individuals spouting off with a lot of nonsensical information and pipe dreams at this time so don't let it turn your focus away from assisting us in accomplishing this very necessary task at hand. Once again we as the shareholders of CMKX need to put pressure where we can. Time is of the essence! Success is still at hand! POST THIS ANYWHERE THERE MAY BE CMKX SHAREHOLDERS THAT WILL HELP! Thank you! Dr.D Read more: tfant53.proboards.com/thread/25/cmkx-says-call-office-moran#ixzz3hxz7LuKU~~~~~~~~ Feb 16, 2007 at 7:09pm posted by BranfordJohn on Tramp's board... Just heard..66 Lawyer quit - Don't call Moran !! « Thread Started on Today at 5:23pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just wanted to share an interesting development, that the troublemaker's Lawyer from the 66 Board just quit and any legal action from them most likely will not occur, at least right now.. With that said, the "dark side" will try to get a Shareholder call-in going to Moran's office...this is not the time to call Moran...apparently he's at a critical juncture on filing the Interplead and any such activity is just a nusance to his office right now. It would be appreciated if this could be spread around to Leave Moran's Office alone right now...Please don't call in to him.. He's almost done....!! Please spread it around..!! Best regards to you guys!! Branfordjohn « Last Edit: Today at 5:24pm by branfordjohn » Read more: cmkxunitedforum.proboards.com/thread/8311#ixzz3hxzeC2W3~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=20319708CMKX UPDATE! There will be a CMKX Press Release Friday as per CMKX corporate attorney Mr. Moran. One of my admins in my paltalk room and others talked to Mr. Moran today and he said a Press Release would be out Friday and their office is setting up a Hot Line. No explanation why they need a Hot Line. Over the last few days a campaign has taken place calling up Mr. Moran's office with complaints about no communication with shareholders in regards to CMKX updates like promised many months ago. This forced a hand and the above paragraph was the result of efforts of many shareholders. Mr. Moran mentioned nothing about money because the interpleader is about bonifying cert holders for the Entourage dividend. Once cert holders are bonified we expect the next step would be possible money to bonified shareholders of record/cert holders. I use the word "possible" but I believe money will come to shareholders of record/cert holders only.
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Post by 2018 on Aug 5, 2015 13:51:43 GMT -5
So that was the "official" pr information vs.. the boards and rumors..
and that is how it ended with the "most important thing" that shareholders participated in.. Cert Pull, and the whole shebang of having Maheu and Stoecklein come into the company.. Bod and Task Force, including Frizzell as part of the Task force, and Kevin as interim ceo.
No true transparency with shareholders ever. No wonder shareholders hold opposing opinions when obviously nobody was ever honest and transparent with them. So what is the truth?
What is the point of retelling the shareholders "the truth" years later.. but when it was really going on, in the real time, nobody stepped up to share all the info with shareholders.
Frizzell as member of the task force did not, and he agreed with Maheu and Stoecklein that Interpleader is the next step.
Kevin obviously did not tell us in real time, exactly the complete truth or any truth.. nothing even close to what they claim today.
Stoecklein and Maheu, did not say a word at all, about the whole Tjmoran interpleader situation, and it as their plan and their work setting cmkx up for the cert pull and forming Task Force. ~~~~~~~~~~~~
If they want to claim this info years later.. that tjmoran did not want to file, that he wanted money, that urban did not want to pay it.. etc etc.. Well NObody stepped up when it was going on.. so that shareholders actually know that supposed info, and that they have a say and a choice. 11 years later into this, shareholders still feel they don't have the truth.. or they are not sure what the truth is.. as they are waiting for these September Criminal proceedings to go on.. hoping they may have some yay or nay on their investment.
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Post by thunkerdrone on Aug 5, 2015 15:55:48 GMT -5
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--On Tuesday, The Company met with their corporate attorney, John T. Moran III of the Moran Law Firm, to discuss the status of interpleader to be filed with the Federal Court as discussed in the PR of 8-28-06.
The Company was informed that the pleadings are almost complete, however, Attorney Moran was made aware of and discovered additional Company information that dictated further investigation and due diligence that needed to be performed by all of the attorneys involved before the document can be completed.[/font] so could this 'additional information' be what threw this whole thing into court for awhile while it all gets sorted out? What if they file the interpleader once all the trials and settlements etc. are completed?
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mr777
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Lies over & over again
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Post by mr777 on Aug 6, 2015 6:14:46 GMT -5
Please why you bring up all this scrap from history. Show us something new, we all tired of repeating things of non substance.
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Post by 2018 on Aug 6, 2015 13:39:41 GMT -5
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--On Tuesday, The Company met with their corporate attorney, John T. Moran III of the Moran Law Firm, to discuss the status of interpleader to be filed with the Federal Court as discussed in the PR of 8-28-06.
The Company was informed that the pleadings are almost complete, however, Attorney Moran was made aware of and discovered additional Company information that dictated further investigation and due diligence that needed to be performed by all of the attorneys involved before the document can be completed.[/font] so could this 'additional information' be what threw this whole thing into court for awhile while it all gets sorted out? What if they file the interpleader once all the trials and settlements etc. are completed? You know, this is essentially where our trail, into all this as shareholders stops. I think this particular pr came at the time, after the poster DR.D said that Moran has not filled interpleader yet, I guess it was expected that he should have already, and he posted that we should call, ask about it, and basically translated push for it. Then I think Moran complained, and shareholders were told to stop calling. this was the biggest thing that Task force worked on, setting up to have basis to call for certs, - getting entourage cert and contract basically, then revocation, getting of from electronic trading, and then having a cert pull, the whole Task Force, going to sec depositions.. and it comes to this.. filling in federal courts.. which is what Stoecklein talked about to SEC. but then the trail gets fuzzy. We got nothing on it, but neither Frizzell who was part of the trio of the Task force is complaining, nor contacting Maheu and Don, nor writing or telling us anything about it. It all goes Puff. Is it really possible, that Maheu and don, would spend so much time doing all the work and preparations for this, claim we have nss, say it all to SEC in depositions, and then Puff. - nobody cares, nobody makes a comment.. and just lets go. So at that point.. that is how they finish the story, at least for the public- us. Like he was the guy to do it, he did not do it, he wanted money from urban.. more money.. bla bla. of course ..this is all after the fact..or years later ( informally) and at the time its all happening, they knew if they told these things to shareholders, that they would gone after everybody. After Urban, and Maheu and Stoecklein, and continue to go after Moran. don't you think, if shareholders were really informed at the time, of all the details, that those in charge like to tell us years later.. and call it "factual", that if they told shareholders the same stuff at the time it was exactly happening, that shareholders would certainly would have some choices.. of action.. or voice. shareholders would have made a friecking hell for everybody involved if they were told info at the time, which Tyler gang claims today. But no, all those supposedly in the know.. certainly did not tell shareholders, and it had to be kevin and frizzell, kevin as temp ceo, and frizzell who should have had even more skin in it and conviction about going to Federal courts when he was part of Task force.
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Post by 2018 on Aug 6, 2015 14:03:17 GMT -5
thunkerdone, I think that pr was just the excuse to get shareholders of calling Morans office.
Looking back, I don't see those that claim to say/explain today.. how Moran did not want to do it, and wanted more money from urban, bla bla.. etc. .. either reacting in the fashion with those statements and knowledge expected at the time.
Why I find this important? Because it was just supposed to be the biggest culmination of Stoecklein/Maheu work. Hey also including Frizzell, he was the 3rd guy in the Task force, and he communicated with Stoecklein. We never saw any complains from Frizzell to Stoecklein, or asking for assistance or anything in regards this supposed FIASCO with Moran.. who was hired to file the case in Federal Court.
I am just following my line of thought, specially after reading Stoecklein's depo, and finding things in there for myself that I did not know about. I know a lot of people did not read it even today.. and have no clue about some statements he made there, or about Task force getting paid 10% of all the moneys that come in from Payments of those that had to buy into certificates. ( naked shorters) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I will wrap it up for myself, how I see it. Nobody told shareholders much about the situation.. or "explanation" they serve years later.. because if they told us at the time its happening, Shareholders would have Hounded Urban and Stoecklein and Maheu, and Moran, and Kevin and Frizzell even as part of Task Force.
They just wrapped it up.. without giving us details or their "details and explanation" so that years later.. when there is nothing we can do.. or say, or bother anybody .. its just "part of the history".
I don't think Mark Faulk even asked Maheu about this in his interview. ~~~~~~~~~~
ok what happens after that? Soon after Kevin takes over.. fully, with Frizzell and Mark Faulk.. everybody in the mix, and they stop talking about nss. Wont talk about nss, will not even say the word NSS - and that is Mark Faulk the supposed fighter against NSS. They wont talk about cert pull or results or anything. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So for all the purposes, at the time this was all happening Shareholders were bamboozled.. shut out, so they cant get into it, ask questions or bother anybody. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For the purposes of Public and therefore shareholders as well, it was left at, that interpleader was never done, and of course, Urban is to blame, because Moran wanted more money bla bla. The usual bs. Conclusion, if Interpleader was not done, so is the conclusion that quite possibly there was no payment for the nss, and Maheu and Stoecklein claiming there was no negotiations for the nss.
If they told this to shareholders at the time.. they would have made everybody's lives living hell, with phone calls questions and emails. Remember the effort by the shareholders and decision to pull the certs.. register the certs, pay for the certs and mailing and transfer agent etc etc..
We would have shredded Urban and everybody if we were told he is not paying Moran, or that Moran does not want to do it for sure, of that Frizzel is not doing anything being he is 3rd member of Task force, or that Stoecklein and Maheu are bailing out on us and it all, and not doing one thing about it, after what they put us through with that Cert pull.
@@ but hey.. they just buried the story.. so shareholders were just patiently waiting for it to happen, not bothering anybody, not asking questions, so years later.. they can tell us the BS story cat ate the mouse. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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