Post by soonerlew on Jan 25, 2008 9:13:36 GMT -5
By: bhollenegg
25 Jan 2008, 12:18 AM EST
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lilburitto0,
Here is the link...
UNITED CARINA RESOURCES CORP.
/s/ Urban Casavant
___________________________________
Authorized Signatory
www.secinfo.com/d1Ze2u.z1fv.a.htm?Find=casavant&Line=773#1stPage
Take care,
BHollenegg
By: lilburrito0
25 Jan 2008, 05:24 AM EST
Msg. 647254 of 647287
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bhollenegg
Thank you!
I remembered that document from somewhere but could not recall where it was!
And by the way .....
Don't know if you have seen this or not but I found some interesting information surrounding that document.
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Urban signed away all of CMKX’s claims to ETGMF and Nevada Minerals (Dhonau).
This event was announced to Shareholders 10/20/2005.
In addition, Urban cancelled the CMKX SEC Appeal on 10/20/2005.
As you go through these documents, keep in mind this question:
When did Urban decide to call it quits with CMKX?
Check out the SEC Filing on this report dated 04/21/2005:
Remember this date: 04/21/2005
www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1239672/000106299305001520/exhibit4e.htm
THIS AGREEMENT is dated the 21st day of April 2005.
BETWEEN:
Entourage Mining Ltd., a company duly incorporated in the Province of British Columbia, having an office at 614 – 475 Howe Street, Vancouver, British Columbia, V6C 2B3.
(“Entourage”)
OF THE FIRST PART
AND:
United Carina Resources Corp., a company duly incorporated in the Province of Saskatchewan, having an office at Suite 105-111 Research Drive, Saskatoon Saskatchewan, S7N 3R2.
(“United Carina”)
OF THE SECOND PART
WHEREAS A. Entourage has a sub-lease agreement with an option to purchase a 100% undivided beneficial interest in certain mineral property interests (commonly referred to as the Black Warrior Project) located on Mineral Ridge in the Walker Lane gold-silver belt of Esmeralda County, Nevada and which mineral property interests are more particularly described in Schedule “A” attached hereto which forms a material part of this Agreement; and
B. Entourage wishes to grant an option to United Carina to acquire a ten percent (10%) beneficial interest in and to the Black Warrior Project (as hereinafter defined), and United Carina wishes to acquire the same on the terms and conditions set forth herein.
UNITED CARINA RESOURCES CORP.
/s/ Urban Casavant
___________________________________
Authorized Signatory
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Now ……….
Check out the Entourage Reports on SEDAR filed on 04/26/2005:
Remember this date: 04/26/2005
Item 4: Summary of Material Change
Entourage Mining Ltd. (the “Company”) announces that the Company has added two partners to participate in its Black Warrior gold/silver project in Esmeralda County Nevada (the “Nevada Gold Project”).
United Carina Resources Corp. (UCA: TSX.V) and CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX.PK) have each been granted the right to acquire a 10% interest in the Nevada Gold Project
viewer.zoho.com/docs/ciaBcf
And check out the Press Release dated 04/26/2005:
Again, remember this date 04/26/2005
April 26, 2005
Entourage Mining Ltd. (the “Company”) announces that the Company has added two partners to participate in its Black Warrior gold/silver project in Esmeralda County Nevada (the “Nevada Gold Project”).
United Carina Resources Corp. (UCA: TSX.V) and CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX.PK)have each been granted the right to acquire a 10% interest in the Nevada Gold Project. Each of the optionees can exercise its option to acquire a 10% interest by:
viewer.zoho.com/docs/nicbbm
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
What we have here is Urban and Entourage having discussions about CMKX selling the claims to ETGMF.
What we see is that in April 2005, ETGMF makes an announcment about purchasing the Nevada claims from CMKX.
Now .............
The acquisition was announced in April 2005.
Which means at some earlier date the parties had talked and had attorneys draft legal agreements. Which would put us in the time period of March 2005 (or perhaps even February 2005).
Here's the question again:
When did Urban decide to call it quits with CMKX?
February 2005?
March 2005?
April 2005?
What this means is the the SEC OIP Hearing;
And the Stoecklein SEC Appeal process;
Was nothing more than a fiasco and front to buy time!
My question to you bhollenegg is:
For what reason do you think Urban required more time?
By: rosencrantz2010
25 Jan 2008, 08:36 AM EST
Msg. 647282 of 647287
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lilburrito0, you need to talk with my69z about this very point, actions takenin early april, 2005. my69z will add the date when maheu stepped down to this mix. he has an interesting theory that these deals will fail (i think I understand this) on purpose since urban had already stepped down and therefore did not have the authority to close the deals with entourage. as such, when the time comes, these properties will return to cmxk.
i'm pretty sure that's what my69z argues.
your finding is similarly compelling since it raises the obvious question of what was urban doing and thinking when setting up these deals?
obviously these deals didn't occur in a vacuum and didn't happen overnight. in other words, a lot of time, planning, meeting and lawyers had to be involved.
it took time and money to do these deals. and after all that work urban chucks it and walks away? i guess if all the deals resulted in a direct inflow of cash to urban's pocket you could argue all he was doing is stealing the last bit of cash available. but even that seems like a weak argument since so much of these deals are public and easily followed.
these deals to me suggest more of a long term plan, a plan that will eventually involve urban somehow, someway.
thanks.
By: my69z
25 Jan 2008, 09:02 AM EST
Msg. 647287 of 647288
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Rosen,,,,hang for about 20 mins....i'am checkin somethin for a 4th time before i open my mouth and do a short MP3.
I still can't believe what i'am seein,,,,,,,,
bb
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25 Jan 2008, 12:18 AM EST
Msg. 647252 of 647288
(This msg. is a reply to 647165 by lilburrito0.)
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lilburitto0,
Here is the link...
UNITED CARINA RESOURCES CORP.
/s/ Urban Casavant
___________________________________
Authorized Signatory
www.secinfo.com/d1Ze2u.z1fv.a.htm?Find=casavant&Line=773#1stPage
Take care,
BHollenegg
By: lilburrito0
25 Jan 2008, 05:24 AM EST
Msg. 647254 of 647287
(This msg. is a reply to 647252 by bhollenegg.)
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bhollenegg
Thank you!
I remembered that document from somewhere but could not recall where it was!
And by the way .....
Don't know if you have seen this or not but I found some interesting information surrounding that document.
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Urban signed away all of CMKX’s claims to ETGMF and Nevada Minerals (Dhonau).
This event was announced to Shareholders 10/20/2005.
In addition, Urban cancelled the CMKX SEC Appeal on 10/20/2005.
As you go through these documents, keep in mind this question:
When did Urban decide to call it quits with CMKX?
Check out the SEC Filing on this report dated 04/21/2005:
Remember this date: 04/21/2005
www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1239672/000106299305001520/exhibit4e.htm
THIS AGREEMENT is dated the 21st day of April 2005.
BETWEEN:
Entourage Mining Ltd., a company duly incorporated in the Province of British Columbia, having an office at 614 – 475 Howe Street, Vancouver, British Columbia, V6C 2B3.
(“Entourage”)
OF THE FIRST PART
AND:
United Carina Resources Corp., a company duly incorporated in the Province of Saskatchewan, having an office at Suite 105-111 Research Drive, Saskatoon Saskatchewan, S7N 3R2.
(“United Carina”)
OF THE SECOND PART
WHEREAS A. Entourage has a sub-lease agreement with an option to purchase a 100% undivided beneficial interest in certain mineral property interests (commonly referred to as the Black Warrior Project) located on Mineral Ridge in the Walker Lane gold-silver belt of Esmeralda County, Nevada and which mineral property interests are more particularly described in Schedule “A” attached hereto which forms a material part of this Agreement; and
B. Entourage wishes to grant an option to United Carina to acquire a ten percent (10%) beneficial interest in and to the Black Warrior Project (as hereinafter defined), and United Carina wishes to acquire the same on the terms and conditions set forth herein.
UNITED CARINA RESOURCES CORP.
/s/ Urban Casavant
___________________________________
Authorized Signatory
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Now ……….
Check out the Entourage Reports on SEDAR filed on 04/26/2005:
Remember this date: 04/26/2005
Item 4: Summary of Material Change
Entourage Mining Ltd. (the “Company”) announces that the Company has added two partners to participate in its Black Warrior gold/silver project in Esmeralda County Nevada (the “Nevada Gold Project”).
United Carina Resources Corp. (UCA: TSX.V) and CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX.PK) have each been granted the right to acquire a 10% interest in the Nevada Gold Project
viewer.zoho.com/docs/ciaBcf
And check out the Press Release dated 04/26/2005:
Again, remember this date 04/26/2005
April 26, 2005
Entourage Mining Ltd. (the “Company”) announces that the Company has added two partners to participate in its Black Warrior gold/silver project in Esmeralda County Nevada (the “Nevada Gold Project”).
United Carina Resources Corp. (UCA: TSX.V) and CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX.PK)have each been granted the right to acquire a 10% interest in the Nevada Gold Project. Each of the optionees can exercise its option to acquire a 10% interest by:
viewer.zoho.com/docs/nicbbm
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
What we have here is Urban and Entourage having discussions about CMKX selling the claims to ETGMF.
What we see is that in April 2005, ETGMF makes an announcment about purchasing the Nevada claims from CMKX.
Now .............
The acquisition was announced in April 2005.
Which means at some earlier date the parties had talked and had attorneys draft legal agreements. Which would put us in the time period of March 2005 (or perhaps even February 2005).
Here's the question again:
When did Urban decide to call it quits with CMKX?
February 2005?
March 2005?
April 2005?
What this means is the the SEC OIP Hearing;
And the Stoecklein SEC Appeal process;
Was nothing more than a fiasco and front to buy time!
My question to you bhollenegg is:
For what reason do you think Urban required more time?
By: rosencrantz2010
25 Jan 2008, 08:36 AM EST
Msg. 647282 of 647287
(This msg. is a reply to 647254 by lilburrito0.)
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lilburrito0, you need to talk with my69z about this very point, actions takenin early april, 2005. my69z will add the date when maheu stepped down to this mix. he has an interesting theory that these deals will fail (i think I understand this) on purpose since urban had already stepped down and therefore did not have the authority to close the deals with entourage. as such, when the time comes, these properties will return to cmxk.
i'm pretty sure that's what my69z argues.
your finding is similarly compelling since it raises the obvious question of what was urban doing and thinking when setting up these deals?
obviously these deals didn't occur in a vacuum and didn't happen overnight. in other words, a lot of time, planning, meeting and lawyers had to be involved.
it took time and money to do these deals. and after all that work urban chucks it and walks away? i guess if all the deals resulted in a direct inflow of cash to urban's pocket you could argue all he was doing is stealing the last bit of cash available. but even that seems like a weak argument since so much of these deals are public and easily followed.
these deals to me suggest more of a long term plan, a plan that will eventually involve urban somehow, someway.
thanks.
By: my69z
25 Jan 2008, 09:02 AM EST
Msg. 647287 of 647288
(This msg. is a reply to 647282 by rosencrantz2010.)
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Rosen,,,,hang for about 20 mins....i'am checkin somethin for a 4th time before i open my mouth and do a short MP3.
I still can't believe what i'am seein,,,,,,,,
bb
ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=647287