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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 8:30:49 GMT -5
By: oil.ipo 29 Apr 2009, 07:16 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829325 of 829367 Jump to msg. # I agree Tigerpaw. You expressed what I believe to be factual, and truthful. I also agree that Obama is watching and will support the investors. ALL investors. What we are seeing/hearing especially in Media from CNN filtered down to the locals are NOT the facts as they relate to BANKS, ECONOMY, etc. It's all damage control to create PERCEPTION. Someone knows something. "TIME" is experiencing the ultimate stress test. Time to correct the damage already done, with answers that work. There is not much more time left before larger failures take control. Pay these shareholders. AIMHO
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 9:44:44 GMT -5
By: stockrich0 29 Apr 2009, 09:39 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829372 of 829403
Especially in this 'anti-fraud' climate...
Urban has left a trail a blindman could read...
Multiple bank acct's, huge checks with casino names written
on them.
If he was get-able, they would have got'em.
I agree with Rosen.
Stockrich.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 9:45:35 GMT -5
By: stockrich0 29 Apr 2009, 09:47 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829373 of 829405
Jump to msg. # ....'17B/4000'.....Oh happy day!...eom
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 9:47:28 GMT -5
By: stockrich0 29 Apr 2009, 09:39 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829372 of 829403 Especially in this 'anti-fraud' climate... Urban has left a trail a blindman could read... Multiple bank acct's, huge checks with casino names written on them. If he was get-able, they would have got'em. I agree with Rosen. Stockrich. By: rosencrantz2010 29 Apr 2009, 09:48 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829374 of 829405 (Reply to 829372 by stockrich0) Jump to msg. # stockrich, things aren't adding up in the government's favor. they say all these bad things about URBAN and the others and yet they do nothing. if the FBI and SEC can uncover fraud in a case beginning in 2007 involving the writing of 37 checks - each for less than $10,000 - then charge and arrest the guy, you would think that after this many years these same two agencies would have been able to at least charge and arrest URBAN and the others. i believe the SEC and FBI are lying about what URBAN and the others did. their inaction speaks volumes in favor or URBAN and the others. just imagine, crimes committed beginning in 2007. suspects charged and arrested. By: rosencrantz2010 29 Apr 2009, 10:12 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829383 of 829408 Jump to msg. # FBI & SEC: the glove must fit or you must acquit. By: stockrich0 29 Apr 2009, 09:58 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829378 of 829406 Rosen, I always think about Maheu... He said spying [I'm paraphrasing] is a combination of 'information and disinformation'...you must LEAD those you want to manipulate, and that is done with truth and un-truth. You can never feed the opposition ALL LIES. This is highly reflective of the CMKX journey.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 9:54:22 GMT -5
By: monetaryshift 29 Apr 2009, 10:13 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829385 of 829408
Jump to msg. # Urban seemed ok and happy the last time I spoke with him
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 9:58:13 GMT -5
By: stockrich0 29 Apr 2009, 09:39 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829372 of 829403 Especially in this 'anti-fraud' climate... Urban has left a trail a blindman could read... Multiple bank acct's, huge checks with casino names written on them. If he was get-able, they would have got'em. I agree with Rosen. Stockrich. By: gusjarvis 29 Apr 2009, 10:15 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829388 of 829409 (Reply to 829372 by stockrich0) Jump to msg. # stock he was a partner, one of the federal informants in cmkx before it ever traded along with others that is why he took the fifth, because he is a partner with the sec in the operation and a blind deaf dummy could figure that out hey, so it is strange baloney can't figure it out or weary XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX strange nuf can't figure it out, strange peter0 can't figure it out with all the info he got in 2004 and 2005, wonder who he really is? strange bill forgot all the great work he did, must be tough playing the idiot now
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 10:00:19 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 29 Apr 2009, 10:16 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829391 of 829409
How long after a crime can you be charged?
I am writing a paper for school, and I can't find any answers on this...it is for a crime in California any county and for a misdemeanor and a felony crime.
John S
It will all depend upon the crime. The statute of limitations defines the period in which criminal charges must be filed. In California, for most misdemeanors the statute of limitations is one year. For most minor felonies it is three years. For felonies involving theft or fraud, it is usually four years (which can date from the day of discovery, not just when the theft was committed). For more serious felonies, the statute of limitations may be six years. For murder and theft of public funds there is no statute of limitations. There are VERY complicated rules which apply in sex cases.
Most of this can be found in Penal Code sections 799 to 805.
Source(s): 30+ years as a criminal defense attorney
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 10:06:25 GMT -5
By: gusjarvis 29 Apr 2009, 10:19 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829394 of 829410 (Reply to 829391 by rosencrantz2010)
Jump to msg. # rosen there is no statute of limitations on this rico crime
not only because it was rico but because it was covered up, that is a crime in itself
lucky for us we helped cover it up with our silence, that is a good sign
By: rosencrantz2010 29 Apr 2009, 10:24 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829395 of 829410 (Reply to 829394 by gusjarvis)
Jump to msg. # gus, i disagree. i see it as a simple case of fraud. that means the statute of limitations has run out on URBAN. if the fraud began in 2003/2003/2004 then case closed. and the SEC knew about it since they began investigating in 2002/2003.
even if it's 6 years and not the 4 years, the statute of limitations has been reached. URBAN and the others are free and can't be touched. the government took no action and never charged them.
By: gusjarvis 29 Apr 2009, 10:26 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829396 of 829410 (Reply to 829395 by rosencrantz2010)
Jump to msg. # actually rosen you are very wrong and rico has already
been filed in the classaction!
By: gusjarvis 29 Apr 2009, 10:27 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829398 of 829410 (Reply to 829395 by rosencrantz2010)
Jump to msg. # and rosen I am not talking about urban in the rico
case, he was a federal gov't informant in this operation
je cut a deal years ago and doesn't matter
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 10:10:30 GMT -5
Very Important word here......<SIGH> IF
By: stockrich0 29 Apr 2009, 10:31 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829401 of 829410
If I'm paid handsomely, it will be worth it...
Five years to be a millionaire is most certainly. worth
it. Many here have worked harder, longer, and for a lot
less.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 11:36:52 GMT -5
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 11:42:33 GMT -5
By: monetaryshift 29 Apr 2009, 11:34 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829417 of 829446 (Reply to 829414 by nufced)
Jump to msg. # Nuff Y??? Wheres the FBI on this - UC What I C :-)))
By: nufced 29 Apr 2009, 11:36 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829420 of 829446 (Reply to 829417 by monetaryshift)
Jump to msg. # Call the Vegas FBI and ask for Ryan Randall
By: monetaryshift 29 Apr 2009, 11:36 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829418 of 829446
Jump to msg. # The facts r the facts - NO ARREST AFTER 7 YEARS - UC WHAT I C :-)))
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 11:44:40 GMT -5
By: nufced 29 Apr 2009, 11:39 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829424 of 829447 (Reply to 829422 by monetaryshift) Jump to msg. # Its coming. I bet before the end of the year.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 11:50:33 GMT -5
By: gusjarvis 29 Apr 2009, 10:19 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829394 of 829410 (Reply to 829391 by rosencrantz2010) Jump to msg. # rosen there is no statute of limitations on this rico crime not only because it was rico but because it was covered up, that is a crime in itself lucky for us we helped cover it up with our silence, that is a good sign By: rosencrantz2010 29 Apr 2009, 10:24 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829395 of 829410 (Reply to 829394 by gusjarvis) Jump to msg. # gus, i disagree. i see it as a simple case of fraud. that means the statute of limitations has run out on URBAN. if the fraud began in 2003/2003/2004 then case closed. and the SEC knew about it since they began investigating in 2002/2003. even if it's 6 years and not the 4 years, the statute of limitations has been reached. URBAN and the others are free and can't be touched. the government took no action and never charged them. By: gusjarvis 29 Apr 2009, 10:26 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829396 of 829410 (Reply to 829395 by rosencrantz2010) Jump to msg. # actually rosen you are very wrong and rico has already been filed in the classaction! By: gusjarvis 29 Apr 2009, 10:27 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829398 of 829410 (Reply to 829395 by rosencrantz2010) Jump to msg. # and rosen I am not talking about urban in the rico case, he was a federal gov't informant in this operation je cut a deal years ago and doesn't matter - - - - - By: snoopstock5 29 Apr 2009, 10:43 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 829404 of 829449 (Reply to 829394 by gusjarvis) Jump to msg. # Gus you are not a lawyer to make that judgement. Federal Securities fraud is 2 years after discovery or five years period. By: gusjarvis 29 Apr 2009, 12:12 PM EDT Rating: Msg. 829442 of 829449 (Reply to 829404 by snoopstock5) Jump to msg. # snoop you are right here is the statute of limitations on rico which this is for sure, but since we have not had discovery to the the covering up of the crime by the sec we have four more years: "If a defendant fraudulently conceals facts that are essential to the victim's ability to purse its rights, the running of the statute of limitations may be tolled" our claim may be barred by the statute of limitations if you discovered or reasonably should have discovered your injury four or more years ago. Many people are mistaken that civil RICO claims are not subject to a statute of limitations. True, Congress failed to include a statute of limitations when it passed the RICO Act, but the United States Supreme Court has remedied that oversight and imposed a four-year statute of limitations on all civil RICO claims. Civil Rico's statute of limitations begins to run when the victim discovers or reasonably should have discovered its injury. Many people also believe that the statute of limitations is reset every time a new criminal act is committed - this is not true. Once a victim is aware or should be aware of its injury, the victim has four years to discover the remaining elements of its claim and bring suit. A victim cannot sit on its rights and refrain from filing suit in the face of known injuries. That being said, however, there are several equitable doctrines that may toll or suspend the running of the statute of limitations. If a defendant fraudulently conceals facts that are essential to the victim's ability to purse its rights, the running of the statute of limitations may be tolled. In addition, acts of duress, such as "if you sue me, I'll kill you," may toll the running of the statute of limitations. All tolling doctrines are based upon whether it is fair, under the circumstances, to bar the victim's claims on the basis of the running of the statute of limitations. Also, if a defendant engages in a new pattern of rackeeting, that causes new and independent injuries, a new limitations period may apply to those new and independent injuries.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 29, 2009 17:18:29 GMT -5
Thanks bikinipro.....
Thanks sandi66!
sandi66 Global Moderator *****
Re: TigerPaw MP3 taken from InfoRm 4-28-09 « Reply #1 Today at 1:26am » Some notes from the MP3... where it is friends posted below, she is typing notes as stated in the MP3 on behalf of tigerpaw, later on, tiger comments in scroll on his own.
(10:45 PM) friends278: base value .54 (10:45 PM) friends278: sec legal branch towards cmkx (10:46 PM) friends278: doesn't matter who is holding it...SEC has to declare payment (10:46 PM) pebbles08: But they won't even admit there is anythere there except disgorgement! (10:46 PM) friends278: It is never against the company, but against the SEC (10:47 PM) friends278: If nothing happens Thursday this person can persue this (10:48 PM) friends278: The reason we haven't been paid could be, because of the banks (10:48 PM) pebbles08: Agree Banks are cooking the books! (10:48 PM) RumorJunkie: OH TIGER (10:48 PM) friends278: The banks with a profit is a lie IMHO (10:48 PM) friends278: They're tring to get the banks in basel 11 compliant (10:49 PM) friends278: the dollar may have a new value (10:49 PM) friends278: the federal reserve is already dead imho (10:49 PM) friends278: If you knew that all the banks were broke...on derivatives...etc (10:49 PM) pebbles08: Exactly Tiger they gambled big time and lost (10:49 PM) friends278: how do we know there is really naked shorting (10:50 PM) friends278: we know better, because we read the study that was done (10:50 PM) friends278: they discovered that all stocks were ns (10:50 PM) friends278: we have proof, because BF went way over the counter (10:50 PM) friends278: he went to the sen. bank committee (10:51 PM) friends278: and was stone walled (10:51 PM) friends278: I'll say another thing about tyler (10:51 PM) friends278: we don't know, if they're our friend (10:51 PM) friends278: we heard they went bad on us (10:52 PM) friends278: Its a good sign that the bashers are still here (10:52 PM) friends278: because they're getting pd (10:52 PM) friends278: if they want to pay them .25 a piece (10:52 PM) friends278: I came by here to tell you...that the women that has the backer from a billionaire is still there (10:53 PM) friends278: keep in mind the banks many many yrs ago...CMKX brought them down...and the bet on derivatives and it broke there backs (10:53 PM) friends278: They lost their shirts on that (10:54 PM) friends278: The best you can do is stay together (10:54 PM) friends278: Sheila is there (10:54 PM) friends278: and you should back her (10:54 PM) friends278: If she has heard something (10:54 PM) friends278: You'll hear (10:54 PM) friends278: It should be a single pointed edge (10:54 PM) friends278: that is the way it should be done (10:55 PM) friends278: once the first payment is done (10:55 PM) friends278: there should be multiple (10:55 PM) friends278: one should be the gov (10:55 PM) friends278: that should be a dollar plus interest (10:55 PM) friends278: another would be the dtcc and the federal reserve (10:55 PM) friends278: the third is the hedge funds (10:55 PM) friends278: brokers (10:55 PM) friends278: and banks (10:56 PM) 1970moneymaker1970: so is tiger saying the sec may have to pay .54 (10:56 PM) friends278: That is how the hedge funds bounce (10:56 PM) friends278: brokers banks (10:56 PM) friends278: the hedge funds are going to the way so (10:56 PM) 1970moneymaker1970: or sec has to pay $1 + (10:56 PM) friends278: our payment was authorized yrs ago (10:56 PM) friends278: but it has been held up (10:57 PM) 1970moneymaker1970: then after that may even get more from 2 other places (dtcc and others (10:57 PM) friends278: The U.S gov used the power (10:57 PM) friends278: use any executive order (10:57 PM) friends278: and say it is all in the good name of the war (10:57 PM) friends278: anything else is terrism (10:57 PM) friends278: sp (10:58 PM) friends278: So, therefore you can't talk about CMKX or uranium (10:58 PM) friends278: or us trading with CHINa (10:58 PM) friends278: China got the uranium, but we got nothing (10:58 PM) friends278: and who was that through (10:58 PM) friends278: us (10:58 PM) friends278: we got shorted (10:59 PM) friends278: the more we start put things out (10:59 PM) friends278: the more they're going to pay us (10:59 PM) friends278: we need something pointed against the sec (10:59 PM) friends278: I don't care about what their plan is (10:59 PM) friends278: We waited three yrs (11:00 PM) friends278: this is not going to be tolerated (11:00 PM) pebbles08: Tiger ... remember private wealth management has disappeared! (11:00 PM) friends278: Thank you Tiger (11:00 PM) honie6: WHY DON'T WE CALL THE WHITE HOUSE DIRECT AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SEC 1-202-224-3121 AND 1-202-456-1111
(11:01 PM) tigerpaw777: Remember we have Value in our Claims.. and we still have them... thx. Jac (11:01 PM) NoPlaceLikeHome: thanks so much tigerpaw (11:01 PM) el marco_1: thks tiger (11:01 PM) tigerpaw777: ok (11:01 PM) tigerpaw777: quite alright (11:01 PM) gosh5: wow tiger hope you are well (11:01 PM) pebbles08: Ty Tiger for your permission (11:02 PM) 1970moneymaker1970: so is this right 1) payment from sec somewhere between .54-$1+ 2) dtcc/federal reserve 3)hedge funds,brokers,banks (11:02 PM) honie6: GET THE WHITE HOUSE # I JUST WROTE IN THE SCROLL. HERE IT IS AGAIN 1-202-224-3121 AND 1-202-456-1111 (11:02 PM) JoeBud: there's an mp3 for all who missed tiger (11:03 PM) tigerpaw777: you're welcome Dck004 (11:03 PM) gosh5: ty pebbles (11:03 PM) friends278: I didn't have time to bring up words (11:03 PM) friends278: sorry (11:04 PM) wyatt11_11: 1, Settlement ( SEC) .02- 2, Buyout (UC & Company) .54 3, Trading ( Conglomerate) Big Money. AIMHO (11:04 PM) tigerpaw777: Yes.. Wyatt. I have heard similar.. is that .02 to 2bucks? (11:04 PM) friends278: Tiger, thank you for sharing your thoughts (11:04 PM) tigerpaw777: yw (11:05 PM) wyatt11_11: two cents from SEC. UC was paid directly from NSS IMO (11:05 PM) tigerpaw777: 1 dollar = sec.. plus interest.. but we know they won't pay it (11:05 PM) tigerpaw777: the interest.. that is (11:05 PM) tigerpaw777: Wyatt if that is true.. that is proof of naked short damages (11:06 PM) tigerpaw777: Yeah.. 1 dollar. plus base damages .54 (11:06 PM) tigerpaw777: IMO (11:06 PM) tigerpaw777: IMO.. we get at least .54 .. if nothing else
ty friends and tiger
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Apr 29, 2009 17:57:19 GMT -5
By: gusjarvis 29 Apr 2009, 01:15 PM EDT Rating: Msg. 829464 of 829544 (Reply to 829445 by snoopstock5)
Jump to msg. # the bottom line snoop is the sec is working on
the shareholders behalf imo, and we will be fine.
The only reason I even want to press the issue is to speed things up, I don't want to be here next year whining about the same chit
The shareholders hold a real cert like yours, it was paid for, there is no doubt about that, it is only a matter of when we find out how much they paid for that share.
The sec should be held accountable for their crimes along with all who committed them, ie paulson and goldman and the rest of the scum who run wallstreet, but they won't, it will go away
and when I say the sec is on our side, it is because
they were forced to be
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