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Post by marbearcat on Aug 31, 2010 14:13:56 GMT -5
Diamonds, if that is true, bad guys wanting a stop on the release. Who are these bad guys? Are they the ones who paid into the trust? If they paid in, what possible reason do they have to stop payment? Do they think they are going to get a refund? PLEEEEEEEZE! The "Bad Guy Theory" needs some explaning, I don't understand THAT AT ALL. Please re-read what I wrote. The bad guys are trying to get the payment released so the evidence stays under wraps. What do you mean what bad guys? Who do you think runs this country? The pres? heheheh don't make me laugh! Who in their right mind would spend 10mil of their own cash to run a campaign to get a job that only pays 400k a year for four years. The job entails getting ripped to shreads every time you do anything, any ideas you have get shot down by senators and/or congressmen and you can never, ever, have a private life again! The only reason someone would take a job like this is because your hired by the bad guys to do it with the promise of a HUGE payoff after your term is up. Think about it... D4E Ok, I see what you mean now. The prez. thingy I pretty much suspected. Doesn't matter what party. I got your point about the releasing and the evedence thing. I misintwerpted it, sorry. It's the being very lower middle class or upper lower class thing that's getting to me. Wish it would end!
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Post by timonesock on Aug 31, 2010 14:20:36 GMT -5
So were not allowed to call you a basher but your allowed for some reason on this board to call BH a pumper hmmm?!?! It's only because he lacks introspection. Narcissism is a beast, and is rarely justifiable. lol. Besides, the mods usually don't warn him about anything, but wait until someone says something like you said to give out a warning. He has charmed them, privately, is my guess. Many people don't have adequate experience in dealing with such manipulators...giving him the feeling that his constant negativity is ok, whether he has proof or not. jmo For the life of me I cant understand why someone who continuously badgers BH is allowed to stay on this board. This poster has done nothing but call BH names such as pumper deceiver and numerous other names yet he is allowed to stay. I just dint get it
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Post by 3bid on Aug 31, 2010 14:22:55 GMT -5
Good point 3bid. To be sure, however, your argument has relevance regarding only the last line of my post. The first three lines were written in response to lovindiamonds desire to "feel better." He was referring to Robert's assertion that "there are legal documents stating there are Trust Funds for the CMKX Shareholders." Lovindiamonds wanted to see these documents. I suggested that a more careful reading of Robert's statement simply indicates that all we have are legal documents claiming the existence of a trust. These documents are not themselves the trust documents. That should be obvious and incontrovertible. I should have stopped there. I hesitated to make the last statement and your post, 3bid, rightly calls me on this. I made the charge than Robert's message was misleading. And it was. That accounts for lovindiamonds misunderstanding. My sense that Robert was also "somewhat disingenuous" was perhaps misplaced. I have no proof of that. Actually, I rather think that Robert wasn't even aware that he set a misleading tone. It's apparent that Robert wants us all to believe that the trust documents really do exist because Al Hodges believes they exist. So Robert follows his statement with details to support his contention that Al Hodges is someone worthy of our belief in him. That's fine.* I would have preferred that Robert declared his intentions more straightforwardly. Had he done so, there would have been less misunderstanding of the kind I observed in lovindiamond's comment. ...Warren *I said it was "fine" for Robert to serve up details that make the case for Al's character. It's good to be reminded of that now and again as we wait the long wait. However, to be fair, there are all kinds of details that are far less comforting and not mentioned in Robert's list. These include letters to the Queen and correspondence with World Reports. And of course there are others. These details require enormous twists and bends in reasoning that not all of the shareholders can justify with assurance. Such is our experience of the artist and cleverness of technique necessary for detailing the details. Where art precedes the reality it faithfully imitates, in full view of all who wait and watch with eyes wide open. We suffer to endure a poorly ventilated experience of stuffy logic in near total darkness within a treasure chest of protected evidence and hope. Please, someone open a window, but so as not to create a draft. BTW, I did notice the detail that lovindiamond's desire was an interpretation by you: I think what you're really asking, lovindiamonds, is to see the TRUST FUND DOCUMENT itself. and, thus, is your opinion, versus where you state: it is apparent that Robert wants us all to believe that the trust documents really do exist because Al Hodges believes they exist. -3bid
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Post by deltadon30228 on Aug 31, 2010 14:25:16 GMT -5
Brig,
I agree funds are earmarked and guarenteed!
Don, IMHO
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Post by timonesock on Aug 31, 2010 14:35:30 GMT -5
Whats the penalty for perjury in a Federal Court
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Post by goodolboy on Aug 31, 2010 14:36:31 GMT -5
It's only because he lacks introspection. Narcissism is a beast, and is rarely justifiable. lol. Besides, the mods usually don't warn him about anything, but wait until someone says something like you said to give out a warning. He has charmed them, privately, is my guess. Many people don't have adequate experience in dealing with such manipulators...giving him the feeling that his constant negativity is ok, whether he has proof or not. jmo For the life of me I cant understand why someone who continuously badgers BH is allowed to stay on this board. This poster has done nothing but call BH names such as pumper deceiver and numerous other names yet he is allowed to stay. I just dint get it
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Post by 3bid on Aug 31, 2010 14:58:35 GMT -5
Certainly. It could drift either way without propulsion on still waters, and without a prevailing subtle wind of bias from men in black vests... more effective than white, to hide the tell-tale splatter stains of fast food cooking. I was with you up to "men in black vests..." Then you took a left turn to la la land, and for the life of me I can't figure out what the heck you are saying. lol! At least you tried.Suffice it to say, the words written by Robert were applicable not only toward the individual he was calling out as a possible basher. It was just as applicable to him, me, you, Manny, Single and everyone else. I also agree with Warren's assessment in that Robert tends to mislead others (whether intentionally or not, I have no clue) with statements like: "Yes. There are legal documents stating that there is a trust fund." Knowing that the Bivens suit, while being a legal document, is not evidence of the trust's existence by any means he uses it to support his statement. Is there any legitimate legal documentation as to the Trust's existence? No, not that has been made available to anyone including the judge presiding over the case. So, you see how easy it is to "flip" those words around with ease in CMKXLAND? At best, it is a useless means of defending one's personal opinion as it relates to CMKX. At worse, it's designed to create discourse among shareholders while solidifying one's own base. And, neither of which are productive in any fashion. And, productivity is far more difficult to attain for a stand-out of CMKXLAND fashion, consistantly posed in dark suit and a calculated contrarian style.
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Post by lovindiamonds on Aug 31, 2010 15:08:36 GMT -5
BTW, I did notice the detail that lovindiamond's desire was an interpretation by you: I think what you're really asking, lovindiamonds, is to see the TRUST FUND DOCUMENT itself. -3bid You would be correct sir.
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Post by goodolboy on Aug 31, 2010 15:09:52 GMT -5
I was with you up to "men in black vests..." Then you took a left turn to la la land, and for the life of me I can't figure out what the heck you are saying. lol! At least you tried.Suffice it to say, the words written by Robert were applicable not only toward the individual he was calling out as a possible basher. It was just as applicable to him, me, you, Manny, Single and everyone else. I also agree with Warren's assessment in that Robert tends to mislead others (whether intentionally or not, I have no clue) with statements like: "Yes. There are legal documents stating that there is a trust fund." Knowing that the Bivens suit, while being a legal document, is not evidence of the trust's existence by any means he uses it to support his statement. Is there any legitimate legal documentation as to the Trust's existence? No, not that has been made available to anyone including the judge presiding over the case. So, you see how easy it is to "flip" those words around with ease in CMKXLAND? At best, it is a useless means of defending one's personal opinion as it relates to CMKX. At worse, it's designed to create discourse among shareholders while solidifying one's own base. And, neither of which are productive in any fashion. And, productivity is far more difficult to attain for a stand-out of CMKXLAND fashion, consistantly posed in dark suit and a calculated contrarian style.Just for you 3bid. No longer posed in dark suit...
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Post by 3bid on Aug 31, 2010 15:26:06 GMT -5
Just for you 3bid. No longer posed in dark suit... Your reply as posted in the rumor section is appropriate but runs contrary to the prevaling rule and ruler of this thread.
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Post by goodolboy on Aug 31, 2010 15:36:22 GMT -5
Just for you 3bid. No longer posed in dark suit... Your reply as posted in the rumor section is appropriate but runs contrary to the prevaling rule and ruler of this thread. Manny will get over it. lol
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Post by ATL on Aug 31, 2010 16:20:35 GMT -5
Lest I repeat myself: What I have done though, is gone back and listened to the Court Audio and transcribed portions directly related the collected funds. This is not the entire audio transcription. Only a part.
From the illicit court audio:
Judge: Who in your analysis is the trustee of the funds? Who holds the funds?
Hodges: There are actually several trustees who hold the funds one of whom is currently the DTCC. I only say that because I know the funds are deposited at the dtcc.
Judge: Spin that out for me. The Acronym
Hodges. The Depository Trust Clearing Corporation. They are the clearing house for all of the financial transactions that happen in the united states.
Judge Private or Public?
Hodges It is a Private company, but they act as a public one, unfortunately.
Judge: What document covers the terms under which they hold those funds?
Hodges: A Trust Agreement.
Judge: Between?
Hodges: Between the people who originally set this up.
Judge: Who are?
Hodges: One of whom was Bob Maheu.
~There is some discussion and background given.
Later... Hodges: That was in fact done. And I have a witness who was there when it was done. They had a room about three times the size of your courtroom in which they had representatives from all these brokerages from all over the world. Who were there, present. They watched a video presentation, because Mr. Maheu as the court may be aware was at one time mostly associated with the cia, all kinds of other...
Judge: I was going to ask you if it was the same Robert Maheu.
Hodges: It is indeed. A gentleman I had opportunity to make aquaintance with in the 70's, to my good fortune.
At any rate, all of these people were accumulated in this room. They were shown a video and a slide presentation of all of the evidence of their wrongdoing. And they were offered an opportunity. You can either step up and sign away your money and pay a reasonable amount for each transaction that you did illegaly and improperly or you can walk out of here and get prosecuted and go to jail. Because what you did, was criminal.
And, every single person in that room stepped up and made a deal.
After that time, there became a big conflict between the SEC commissioners and the other governmental entities who were supporting the sec commissioners about who is going to have the right to release this money to the shareholders and when? And my understanding is it went on for some number of months, but ultimately the sec commissioners prevailed and convinced Mr. Maheu and his associates it had to be their decision because only they and the rest of the government could determine when this sting had fulfilled its function.
And that is the basis upon which he gave them, the power about when the money is to be released. And it is my understanding that every trust that is currently being held for of this money is being held by a person who is sworn to observe that requirement, that the SEC or the government or whoever is going to make this payment, goes first.
And as my information is, that it is the SEC commissioners who had this power. That's why they are defendants in this case.
Judge: Let's return to your Bivens theory, it's a taking.
Hodges: It is.
Judge: Why?
Hodges: This money was supposed to be released within a year of the time that the company was originally de-listed. It was originally de-listed in October of 2005. This is now almost October of 2010, some four years past that time. It is a taking only because they refuse only not withstanding information which they have continued to give to various shareholders. They have continued to refuse to release this money. If they don't release the money, then it is a taking. Because they are preventing what is rightfully ours, for us to receive. That's why it is a taking.
Judge: Thank you.
There is 6:01 more that follows, back and forth with the DOJ atty and the wrap. But that is the critical part of the story.
I'm just going to make a wild guess here, but I'm thinking the funds have been confirmed.
Attorney Al Hodges, officer of the court has said in open court that the funds exist and have been confirmed. To someone who understands what that means, it gives comfort. To the rest of you, you are either too ignorant, illiterate, stubborn or stupid to grasp and acknowledge verifiable truth when you see it.
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Post by joe on Aug 31, 2010 16:30:26 GMT -5
Lest I repeat myself: What I have done though, is gone back and listened to the Court Audio and transcribed portions directly related the collected funds. This is not the entire audio transcription. Only a part. From the illicit court audio: Judge: Who in your analysis is the trustee of the funds? Who holds the funds?
Hodges: There are actually several trustees who hold the funds one of whom is currently the DTCC. I only say that because I know the funds are deposited at the dtcc.
Judge: Spin that out for me. The Acronym
Hodges. The Depository Trust Clearing Corporation. They are the clearing house for all of the financial transactions that happen in the united states.
Judge Private or Public?
Hodges It is a Private company, but they act as a public one, unfortunately.
Judge: What document covers the terms under which they hold those funds?
Hodges: A Trust Agreement.
Judge: Between?
Hodges: Between the people who originally set this up.
Judge: Who are?
Hodges: One of whom was Bob Maheu.
~There is some discussion and background given.
Later... Hodges: That was in fact done. And I have a witness who was there when it was done. They had a room about three times the size of your courtroom in which they had representatives from all these brokerages from all over the world. Who were there, present. They watched a video presentation, because Mr. Maheu as the court may be aware was at one time mostly associated with the cia, all kinds of other...
Judge: I was going to ask you if it was the same Robert Maheu.
Hodges: It is indeed. A gentleman I had opportunity to make aquaintance with in the 70's, to my good fortune.
At any rate, all of these people were accumulated in this room. They were shown a video and a slide presentation of all of the evidence of their wrongdoing. And they were offered an opportunity. You can either step up and sign away your money and pay a reasonable amount for each transaction that you did illegaly and improperly or you can walk out of here and get prosecuted and go to jail. Because what you did, was criminal.
And, every single person in that room stepped up and made a deal.
After that time, there became a big conflict between the SEC commissioners and the other governmental entities who were supporting the sec commissioners about who is going to have the right to release this money to the shareholders and when? And my understanding is it went on for some number of months, but ultimately the sec commissioners prevailed and convinced Mr. Maheu and his associates it had to be their decision because only they and the rest of the government could determine when this sting had fulfilled its function.
And that is the basis upon which he gave them, the power about when the money is to be released. And it is my understanding that every trust that is currently being held for of this money is being held by a person who is sworn to observe that requirement, that the SEC or the government or whoever is going to make this payment, goes first.
And as my information is, that it is the SEC commissioners who had this power. That's why they are defendants in this case.
Judge: Let's return to your Bivens theory, it's a taking.
Hodges: It is.
Judge: Why?
Hodges: This money was supposed to be released within a year of the time that the company was originally de-listed. It was originally de-listed in October of 2005. This is now almost October of 2010, some four years past that time. It is a taking only because they refuse only not withstanding information which they have continued to give to various shareholders. They have continued to refuse to release this money. If they don't release the money, then it is a taking. Because they are preventing what is rightfully ours, for us to receive. That's why it is a taking.
Judge: Thank you.
There is 6:01 more that follows, back and forth with the DOJ atty and the wrap. But that is the critical part of the story. I'm just going to make a wild guess here, but I'm thinking the funds have been confirmed. Attorney Al Hodges, officer of the court has said in open court that the funds exist and have been confirmed. To someone who understands what that means, it gives comfort. To the rest of you, you are either too ignorant, illiterate, stubborn or stupid to grasp and acknowledge verifiable truth when you see it. sweet
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Post by joe on Aug 31, 2010 16:32:14 GMT -5
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Post by BHollenegg on Aug 31, 2010 17:19:58 GMT -5
By: bhollenegg 31 Aug 2010, 10:33 AM EDT Msg. 957167 of 957191 (Reply to 957150 by normiecraig) you pegged yourself, no facts, no proof, no clue, boasts making investors distraught… very sad. How easily this statement could be flipped around... RB has Tuscan9, PB29 has the male version of Tuscan9...never miss a chance ...GOB Smacked as usual.
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