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Post by captainhook on Sept 15, 2010 13:02:16 GMT -5
I agree Ed, I would be worried if he did not refile at this point even with ER. It makes sense to have an insurance policy. It is unreasonable to think that even with ER tomorrow, that this can be concluded in one day. Warren: I think THIS the real point... at least it addresses MY main concern regarding timing: very_tired15: Perhaps, here is the fear.. and this is my opinion.. what if ER comes, he dismisses the case tand then before peopel can get paid, someone interferes? The lawsuit will insure that such actions can not happen. Semantically, I'm certain that you can tear it to shreds, but essentially, it's intnt seems to address the scenario of ER being provided, but then SOMETHING/SOMEONE ELSE interferes with distribution of funds and the 45-day window has elapsed. Ed
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Post by John Winston Lennon O'Boogie on Sept 15, 2010 13:04:06 GMT -5
John: very-tired is one of the plaintiffs and an attorney by trade (Alan Treffery(sp?). Some (not me) consider his words gospel... but I'll consider whatever he says over loose-connons Sheila or Wyatt any day of the year... Ed One would have to say his word is GOLD...
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Post by beavis on Sept 15, 2010 13:04:37 GMT -5
So, ER really isn't fool-proof... from the MTD hearing, it sounded like this ER was part of a trust agreement, allowing the SEC to decide when to release the funds, that the trustees were following their duty by not releasing the funds without permission... now Al is worried about "fake permission"? Well, keep the pressure on, but if the filing doesn't have much meat, won't it just get dismissed, taking away any leverage?
IMO.
Btw, Sunbeam, thanks for posting the coversation.
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Post by sandye14 on Sept 15, 2010 13:08:33 GMT -5
ALLEN TREFFREY CONTD very_tired15: AH can dismiss a=fter he is 100% sure we all have access very_tired15: REmember, it is all about interest.... they were going to keep the money until the last possible date.. very_tired15: I am personally sorry for first delivering info that there is no need to refile.. and changing it.. I do not think I was used, but I believe the change is a genuine and well-thought out one gscraig: Tired, is this correct: Al MAY refile to protect those who registrations with the TA are incorrect, or who are not registered. And this will IN NO WAY affect or delay payment to those who are correctly registered with the TA? Do I have that right? very_tired15: Craig, he is going to refile to insure that the ER is real and that we all can be paid very_tired15: since they waited to the last kminute, they could falsely represent that ER is real, but then interfere.. then we would have let the lasuit go and had one of our big hammers taken away ground_fog: he had to have been prepared for this scenario..so why friggin insist no refile..thats my problem..oh well nobull1: if you turn over the evidence the judge see's it but he also has proof we got payed that would satisfy the demand for the release of the trusts and it over? very_tired15: I would agree... do you want to trust the powers that be to suddenly do what they say? Governments are notorious for breaking their words.. ask the American Indians, the Japanese Internment victims, Black Farmers, so man others... very_tired15: However, we NEED news of ER TOMORROW.. not Saturday, but TOMORROW Very smart move on Al's part. We can't trust the crooks. Keep the pressure on and don't let up until they cry UNCLE!!!
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Post by captainhook on Sept 15, 2010 13:08:52 GMT -5
Just like we have all been saying for 7 years " we'll believe it when the money is in our accounts". That is all Al is saying, because as we all know, if the gov was honest we would not be here having this conversation to begin with. So, ER really isn't fool-proof... from the MTD hearing, it sounded like this ER was part of a trust agreement, allowing the SEC to decide when to release the funds, that the trustees were following their duty by not releasing the funds without permission... now Al is worried about "fake permission"? Well, keep the pressure on, but if the filing doesn't have much meat, won't it just get dismissed, taking away any leverage? IMO. Btw, Sunbeam, thanks for posting the coversation.
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Post by John Winston Lennon O'Boogie on Sept 15, 2010 13:08:54 GMT -5
So, ER really isn't fool-proof... from the MTD hearing, it sounded like this ER was part of a trust agreement, allowing the SEC to decide when to release the funds, that the trustees were following their duty by not releasing the funds without permission... now Al is worried about "fake permission"? Well, keep the pressure on, but if the filing doesn't have much meat, won't it just get dismissed, taking away any leverage? IMO. Btw, Sunbeam, thanks for posting the coversation. BETTER TO BE SAFE THEN SORRY...
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Post by ishmel on Sept 15, 2010 13:11:48 GMT -5
Just like we have all been saying for 7 years " we'll believe it when the money is in our accounts". That is all Al is saying, because as we all know, if the gov was honest we would not be here having this conversation to begin with. So, ER really isn't fool-proof... from the MTD hearing, it sounded like this ER was part of a trust agreement, allowing the SEC to decide when to release the funds, that the trustees were following their duty by not releasing the funds without permission... now Al is worried about "fake permission"? Well, keep the pressure on, but if the filing doesn't have much meat, won't it just get dismissed, taking away any leverage? IMO. Btw, Sunbeam, thanks for posting the coversation. Yep, he always said that this was done when we have money in hand and not before.
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Post by beavis on Sept 15, 2010 13:12:22 GMT -5
So, ER really isn't fool-proof... from the MTD hearing, it sounded like this ER was part of a trust agreement, allowing the SEC to decide when to release the funds, that the trustees were following their duty by not releasing the funds without permission... now Al is worried about "fake permission"? Well, keep the pressure on, but if the filing doesn't have much meat, won't it just get dismissed, taking away any leverage? IMO. Btw, Sunbeam, thanks for posting the coversation. BETTER TO BE SAFE THEN SORRY... I agree... and believe me, as soon as they tell me how to get my funds, I will be there like stink on a monkey.
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Post by deltadon30228 on Sept 15, 2010 13:12:52 GMT -5
I have been saying this for a couple weeks now, it doesn't matter if he refiles at this point. This is already over. Sit tight and wait for news of ER.
Don, IMHO!
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Post by agfadoc on Sept 15, 2010 13:12:59 GMT -5
BETTER TO BE SAFE THEN SORRY... I agree... and believe me, as soon as they tell me how to get my funds, I will be there like stink on a monkey. Stink on a monkey... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by beavis on Sept 15, 2010 13:15:42 GMT -5
Just like we have all been saying for 7 years " we'll believe it when the money is in our accounts". That is all Al is saying, because as we all know, if the gov was honest we would not be here having this conversation to begin with. So, ER really isn't fool-proof... from the MTD hearing, it sounded like this ER was part of a trust agreement, allowing the SEC to decide when to release the funds, that the trustees were following their duty by not releasing the funds without permission... now Al is worried about "fake permission"? Well, keep the pressure on, but if the filing doesn't have much meat, won't it just get dismissed, taking away any leverage? IMO. Btw, Sunbeam, thanks for posting the coversation. Exactly... this makes me wonder why Bob Maheu would have agreed to let the gov/SEC have full control over our money, without some drop-dead date written into the agreement to ensure no funny business, which obviously did happen. Still, if leverage is needed via the re-file, then might as well drop the hammer on them, not just a weak re-file that will just get dismissed. Imo.
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Post by sunbeam777 on Sept 15, 2010 13:17:00 GMT -5
AT CONTD RECAP ALLEN TREFFREY CONTD very_tired15: AH can dismiss a=fter he is 100% sure we all have access very_tired15: REmember, it is all about interest.... they were going to keep the money until the last possible date.. very_tired15: I am personally sorry for first delivering info that there is no need to refile.. and changing it.. I do not think I was used, but I believe the change is a genuine and well-thought out one gscraig: Tired, is this correct: Al MAY refile to protect those who registrations with the TA are incorrect, or who are not registered. And this will IN NO WAY affect or delay payment to those who are correctly registered with the TA? Do I have that right? very_tired15: Craig, he is going to refile to insure that the ER is real and that we all can be paid very_tired15: since they waited to the last kminute, they could falsely represent that ER is real, but then interfere.. then we would have let the lasuit go and had one of our big hammers taken away ground_fog: he had to have been prepared for this scenario..so why friggin insist no refile..thats my problem..oh well nobull1: if you turn over the evidence the judge see's it but he also has proof we got payed that would satisfy the demand for the release of the trusts and it over? very_tired15: I would agree... do you want to trust the powers that be to suddenly do what they say? Governments are notorious for breaking their words.. ask the American Indians, the Japanese Internment victims, Black Farmers, so man others... very_tired15: just hang in there folks.. nothing has changed in substance.. he still is confident that ER is coming this week... he is just insuring they follow through with it news of ER TOMORROW.. not Saturday, but TOMORROW very_tired15: Craig - since Basel is done, I would imagine he is more confident than ever very_tired15: Thanks for the kindness. I just wated to share the info with you as I got it.. no surprises for anyone... again, I apologize for changing news positions.. it was above me. very_tired15: I expect to hear from him tomorrow.. or by Friday at the latest.. to know what is going on
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Post by ishmel on Sept 15, 2010 13:17:05 GMT -5
I agree... and believe me, as soon as they tell me how to get my funds, I will be there like stink on a monkey. Stink on a monkey... ;D ;D ;D You people are confusing Miroslov, Stop It. ;D
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Post by beavis on Sept 15, 2010 13:17:08 GMT -5
I agree... and believe me, as soon as they tell me how to get my funds, I will be there like stink on a monkey. Stink on a monkey... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 13:17:36 GMT -5
A good lawyer has an action plan for any scenario. The great lawyers can anticipate EVERY scenario. This action plan does not surprise me a bit. AH is a great lawyer and we will be paid. Here's to ER announcement tomorrow. D4E
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