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Post by 3bid on Sept 5, 2011 11:57:17 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 04 Sep 2011, 03:17 PM EDT Rating: Msg. 1035594 of 1035644 (Reply to 1035593 by rosencrantz2010) Jump to msg. # i talked with the IR person on Friday and when pressed about how exactly TYLER expects to find the money to move the company forward he whispered, "i can't tell you exactly how because it's a secret, but rest assured we have our feet on the ground up north and the map is showing us exactly where we need to dig. it's in the bag." he seemed quite confident and so i left it at that. and you can take that to the bank because the IR guy is a very reliable source although as with anything the situation could change between now and then and things might not turn out as i expect them to. but stay positive and trust the man in the shadow and the foot in the shoe. I think Rosen was just being a smart a$$ when he wrote this..... The IR person whispered?? c'mon hard to believe...... Laryngitis?
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Sept 5, 2011 11:59:28 GMT -5
deb101202 Diamond Finder Re: Mr. Hodges and FRAP 27. Motions « Reply #16 Yesterday at 10:31am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am definitely no attorney. But I do know now that the SEC put a “Stay” in their brief to keep Al from disclosing anything at this time, and then I discovered this purely by accident when reading about the Patriot Act. I don’t know if this applies or not, but I found it interesting: …………………………………………………………… From the Patriot Act, 2712 (e) (between 223 and 224): epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html2712 (e) STAY OF PROCEEDINGS- (1) Upon the motion of the United States, the court shall stay any action commenced under this section if the court determines that civil discovery will adversely affect the ability of the Government to conduct a related investigation or the prosecution of a related criminal case. Such a stay shall toll the limitations periods of paragraph (2) of subsection (b). Subsection (b) Paragraph (2) Any action against the United States under this section shall be forever barred unless it is presented in writing to the appropriate Federal agency within 2 years after such claim accrues or unless action is begun within 6 months after the date of mailing, by certified or registered mail, of notice of final denial of the claim by the agency to which it was presented. The claim shall accrue on the date upon which the claimant first has a reasonable opportunity to discover the violation. Also: (2) In this subsection, the terms `related criminal case' and `related investigation' mean an actual prosecution or investigation in progress at the time at which the request for the stay or any subsequent motion to lift the stay is made. In determining whether an investigation or a criminal case is related to an action commenced under this section, the court shall consider the degree of similarity between the parties, witnesses, facts, and circumstances involved in the 2 proceedings, without requiring that any one or more factors be identical. (3) In requesting a stay under paragraph (1), the Government may, in appropriate cases, submit evidence ex parte in order to avoid disclosing any matter that may adversely affect a related investigation or a related criminal case. If the Government makes such an ex parte submission, the plaintiff shall be given an opportunity to make a submission to the court, not ex parte, and the court may, in its discretion, request further information from either party. Ex parte means “with both parties present.” ……………………………………………………………Maybe I am wrong, but I take this to mean that this “stay” can only happen if discovery by the claimants “will adversely affect the ability of the Government to conduct a related investigation or the prosecution of a related criminal case.” Obviously, there was a related case taking place. The plaintiffs will still be given an opportunity to make a submission (of discovery of the violation) to the court “without both parties present.” If there is a final denial of the claim, further action can still be presented within the designated time periods. The claim accrues (no more fines and penalties?) on the date when the claimant has the first reasonable opportunity to “discover the violation.” Coincidence? Or does somebody think there is a “violation” to be “discovered” that would have adversely affected “the other, related case?” (Similarity between the parties, witnesses, facts, and circumstances.) This is just me forming an opinion based on my very limited understanding, nothing more and nothing less, so please read it as such. I am on the outside looking in and have no idea if this is what is happening or if the Patriot Act has any bearing on this case whatsoever. If so, I perceive this to be a strong reason to be confident. If not, consider it to be an education on the Patriot Act, for what it is worth. Just to clarify, I am referring to the ongoing investigation (and upcoming trial) between the SEC and Urban Casavant, et. al. And the similarity of witnesses between that trial and the recent trial between the company and Urban Casavant, et. al. Again, just an observation. Not sure if this applies.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Sept 5, 2011 12:06:07 GMT -5
ty...taskforceviking
By: AlanC 04 Sep 2011, 11:47 AM EDT Rating: post rating 4 Rate this post: Msg. 1035560 of 1035579 (Reply to 1035548 by rosencrantz2010)
"If you are in, you win"! I am in and I am "bonafide". I expect us to win! This no doubt was IBM's most difficult assignment and sadly he will not be able to celebrate in person with us the victory although it will no doubt be his finest. The companies greatest strength is its huge shareholder base that will not go away. Remember the orignal financing agreement? We still do not know the terms other than UC could not unless ordered by the court disclose those terms. Think about 1.9 million acres and how many of those acres are now held by "friendlies". Lots of folks with powerful resumes have been connected to CMKX over the years, I wonder how many of them wear white hats? Regulators have known for at least the 11 years I have been fighting naked shorting and still they are allowing it to be practiced today. I expect that to change and I expect our markets will become a place to invest not a place to have your hard earned money stolen by crooks in suits and ties who dance at the miscreants ball. Patrick Byrne is a Patriot! "If you are in you win"! THINK! Go CMKX!!! Have not posted here for years for personal reasons and likely will not post again for a while.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Sept 7, 2011 0:28:29 GMT -5
ty bikinipro...
bjenkins It is not yet known how much money will be recovered in this case. If the assets ultimately collected are sufficient for a practical and economically feasible distribution of funds to investors, the SEC may by motion to the court propose a plan to distribute the funds. No funds can be distributed to investors unless and until the court approves a distribution plan. We will post information about any proposed or final distribution plan on this page when it becomes available. We also post information about distribution plans on the Investor Claims Fund section of our website.
I always says there be no money release with out court order and the SEC says same thing I say.
skoondog I must say, yes you was right on!!! My goodness, what a long ride this has been. But many has said that this is already said and done. Many have sit back and say get the popcorn, and just relax. It is crazy seeing CMKX on the website with the SEC!! I knew we would always get paid, but what we get paid is whats on my mine. Yes I know, we already have been told, but who in the right mind would give us shareholders that kind of money? Have a great day folks....
Skoondog
cmkxdiamonds Re: The Buzz Chat 09/05 « Reply #18 Today at 8:55am »
i remember iron bob back in the day saying "look to the sec site"....things are going exactly as the good guys planned it...
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Sept 7, 2011 0:30:33 GMT -5
ty seagull.. thanks one2few ty Sunbeam
Re: The Weekly Buzz 09/05 « Reply #5 Yesterday at 10:40pm »
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Dumptruck9: PJ said that the CMKXers will be happy on or by Friday.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Sept 7, 2011 0:39:16 GMT -5
jersey DIAMOND JEDI WARLORD Re: Trial Transcripts « Reply #4 Yesterday at 6:40pm » --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
page 5 " The corporation CMKM Diamonds Inc. is actual another corporation taken on the name of CMKM Diamonds Inc."
What?
kibert79 DIAMOND JEDI MASTER Re: Trial Transcripts « Reply #6 Yesterday at 8:07pm » IMO, Frizzell was speaking of the fact that the Principals of the company today are different from the ones being sued by CMKM. Condo repeatedly mentions that the people being sued (other than Glenn and a few others) are also the plaintiffs, CMKM Diamonds. I think Frizzell wants to distinguish to the jury that the people that ran/run "old" CMKM and "new" CMKM are 2 different sets of people. That's how I interpret it, but what do I know.
144r DIAMOND JEDI WARLORD Re: Trial Transcripts « Reply #7 Yesterday at 8:26pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It has always been said there is two cmkms
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Sept 7, 2011 1:01:16 GMT -5
cmkxdiamonds DIAMOND JEDI WARLORD still no ruling on doj motion « Thread Started Yesterday at 10:00am »
seems we should get that ruling sometime this week since the sec updated their part...follow the bouncing balls...
IceCrush Mod Squad Re: still no ruling on doj motion « Reply #5 Yesterday at 12:21pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could Al's brief be pending? Could it be submitted but not entered into the electronic system, pending a judge's ruling? Could both parties be able to see the brief, discuss with the judge, allow the judge time to preview the case? Could all things be happening behind closed doors, sitting before a judge, arguing points? ? ?
cmkxdiamonds DIAMOND JEDI WARLORD Re: still no ruling on doj motion « Reply #10 Yesterday at 1:49pm »
thats my thoughts ice...i think al did file but only the crooks and the courts can see it...once we get paid it goes away or it stays where it is for their eyes only...my thoughts are we must get paid before the september 23rd court date and if not then al's filing goes public...right now they are working behind closed doors to get this done and then the judge rules and it goes away...if we are paid...
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Sept 7, 2011 1:20:49 GMT -5
;D Coffee Read?? WOW...... that's a new one to me.....
By: PAPICHULO 06 Sep 2011, 11:09 PM EDT Rating: Msg. 1036006 of 1036012 Just an other shareholder.....
So here in NJ I personally know 4 other shareholders, on called me today. He told me he got his coffee read.... He went to a lady's house drank coffee and she told him his fortune. One of his fortunes she said. It deals with a certificate, something that he has been waiting for awhile now. Then she told him he will be moving very soon... Soon like 2 months soon, to a house he will buy..... The guy is not in a financial position to buy a house.
Then she said, you like the number 5. something very big will happen with this number, he told me on his way home he remember the number 5 is the first number to his share count.
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Post by 3bid on Sept 8, 2011 9:59:11 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 08 Sep 2011, 09:27 AM EDT Msg. 1036241 of 1036255 (Reply to 1036237 by jboydwv) jboydwv, agreed. if all we have is just an outside chance of winning the claims lottery and finding diamonds in those core samples then i'd agree with sharasilva and say we don't have much more chance than a snowball in hell. and if that is all we REALLY have in the way of finding value then the folks in TYLER are either dumb in the head or scammers. but when you put it all together it doesn't really make much sense. if you were TYLER and you knew all of this would you REALLY push this hard for as many years as they did to get CMKX back to trading? if you were FRIZZELL, would you throw away your law practice on the outside chance this "craapp" company with nothing more than "craaappp" claims would magically pan out and find a truck load of diamonds? i wouldn't and i bet FRIZZELL wouldn't either. it doesn't add up. what all of these separate individuals have done over the years doesn't add up if you assume our claims stand only a slim chance of proving out. TYLER has more information about things then they are letting on. and the fact that people are joining in the effort and being paid in CMKX shares suggest they too are being told something more about cmkx. By: rosencrantz2010 08 Sep 2011, 09:55 AM EDT Msg. 1036247 of 1036253 (Reply to 1036241 by rosencrantz2010)
jboydwv, my possible scenarios change from week to week. i think i've gone full circle in my thinking about CMKX and what will happen with everything about 10 tens now. lol
my latest scenario is TYLER gets us back to trading, but we don't actually trade. we're made a tender offer for our shares, let's say something like .002 (or .02 or whatever your heart desires- but remember, TYLER can't be paying these guys millions of dollars a month to do the IR job, for example). the remaining naked short will have to pay whatever the company offers so that shouldn't be a problem. most of the naked short has been taken care of and that money is in the hands of URBAN. it's socked away someplace that we won't/can't see. that money will never come to us directly. it's URBAN's money or better yet, the future company's financing (CIM maybe?).
at the same time we are made the tender offer of .002 per cmkx share, we are offered revocable rights to buy shares at $1 a share in NEWCORP in proportion to the number of shares we hold in cmkx. we can choose to exercise those rights and buy NEWCORP shares or not. we can also go into the market made by our TA to sell and/or buy additional rr.
the number of rr each of us receives is 1 for every 10,000 shares of cmkx. in other words, if you have a 10m share certificate 1,000 rr will show in your TA account. you can offer to sell those rr or buy more in that TA provided marketplace. the value of the rr will fluctuate between $1 and... whatever the market will bear.. $1.25, $1.50, $3, etc.
but first, shareholders will have to vote on whether or not to accept the tender offer. this is most likely the reason we need to have a shareholders meeting and proxy vote.
all of the above will take time, months and months, to be completed. in other words, none of us will be seeing cash anytime soon.
you ask, where does the tender offer come from? well, it comes from BHP BILLITON, of course! or maybe SHORE makes the offer. now that i think about it, a bid from SHORE makes more sense. they don't have the cash (they would need to buy our claims for $1.5B in order to pay us .002 per share) but they could get it from a partner like BHP BILLITON, or whoever. and they could make a case for buying our claims since these are the claims they fought us for in court years ago. the market would understand that they always wanted those claims. it all makes perfect sense to the market so the $1.5B transaction would go unquestionned.
as a shareholder with 10m shares of cmkx, i'm paid $20,000 for my cmkx shares, if the tender offer is accepted by the shareholders. i can then turn around and with those funds pay $1,000 to exercise my rights to the 1,000 shares in NEWCORP.
and those 1,000 NEWCORP shares is where we see the longterm payoff and move forward with the conglomerate. By: jboydwv 08 Sep 2011, 09:59 AM EDT Msg. 1036249 of 1036253 (Reply to 1036247 by rosencrantz2010) rosen ..... We have all changed our minds about cmkx 3 mil times .... point is there is more to this than Tyler going after some un proven core samples....no one does what Tyler has done unless there is more to this whole circus !!! By: rosencrantz2010 08 Sep 2011, 10:04 AM EDT Msg. 1036250 of 1036253 (Reply to 1036249 by jboydwv)
jdoydwv, yes, i think so too. the boys in TYLER have risked too much for too long just on the outside chance that some lame-asssss core samples are going to contain diamonds, or whatever. lol
they would have been better served placing all of their money on RED at a roulette table in VEGAS.
at least that way their odds would have been near .5 By: kcab_syorlik 08 Sep 2011, 10:23 AM EDT Msg. 1036253 of 1036253 (Reply to 1036250 by rosencrantz2010) Rosen, yes, there has to be much more: Like why Roger Glenn could have been instrumental in raising the A/S to 800 billion pretty much behind the shareholders' backs and yet the courts don't seem to find any problem with his actions. Or why Robert Maheu, suddenly lost all his intelligence experience and faculties and without doing any preliminary due diligence blindly stepped into a huge pile a crud that every basher assures even a blind idiot would have seen a mile away. I'm beginning to wonder whether or not white hats are even in control here. Who's to say that the shareholders weren't set up at patsies. We were told to take all the certificates and put them in our sock drawers. Then, when they've used the cert pull to convince the NSS that most of the the O/S is in cert form and out of circulation, they present evidence that there are accounts with electronic markers representing the entire O/S for example. We (those holding paper certs) have not been wronged since we hold what we paid for. However, those holding the electronic markers are in the cat bird seat. Either the NSS has to approach tens of thousands of paper cert holders, or they can simply and confidentially buy up those electronic markers from just an entity or two and maybe keep it all rather quiet while making the problem go away. What proof do we have that they ever even intended to distribute that money to the loyal shareholders who pulled their paper certs? That's a lot of money and there's a lot of greed in this world. I surely hope someone has indeed ensured that the shareholders will get their rightful ROI if something like that were worked out. JMHO ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI
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Post by 3bid on Sept 8, 2011 10:23:29 GMT -5
By: jfarn 07 Sep 2011, 09:22 PM EDT Msg. 1036206 of 1036266 (Reply to 1036202 by gusjarvis) Gus, You are correct. Bill Frizzell put out that our short was handed to us on a silver platter and his silence on the matter has been deafening. He has never put out a clarifying statement re: his prior statements on his extensive work with the short. He could have put this to rest long ago and he hasn't the intestinal fortitude to say.."I was wrong". Burrito is his number one pom pom waver, who doesn't believe in the NSS scenario. Maybe Burrito could convince Frizzell to put out a clarifying statement years later regarding what he said? This sure doesn't pass the smell test on a variety of fronts. The OBO/NOBO lists I looked at toward the end of the saga appeared to indicate that these brokers were able to clear up the short falls in their accounts. I think we are going to have to put this in one of the: "we got screwed bins"... Frizzell is a MAJOR skunk for handling the aforementioned in the manner which he has. This guy who just got his Texas clock cleaned by some Yankee lawyers and still hasn't mustered up the decency to explain to us all publicly why he did what he didn't with our short and why he never retracted or publicly apologized for being wrong with his "silver platter" updates. He has collected a pay check for the past couple of years because WE shareholders contributed to put his Tyler arse in the position he is in. This has been consistent work for him with an enormous upside. For those of you suggest that he is doing us a favor, I respectfully remind you that his fees for his work if he hits one of the cases will surpass a decade of the preponderance of your earnings. The truth will set you free~ By: gusjarvis 07 Sep 2011, 09:26 PM EDT Msg. 1036208 of 1036265 (Reply to 1036206 by jfarn) That is ludicrous
Cheers By: jfarn 07 Sep 2011, 09:32 PM EDT Msg. 1036210 of 1036265 (Reply to 1036208 by gusjarvis) Point out what aspects of it Gus. What is ludicrous? TIA. By: gusjarvis 07 Sep 2011, 11:01 PM EDT Msg. 1036218 of 1036264 (Reply to 1036210 by jfarn) Td paid for my cert and you know this was an
Operation. And yes we have been treated like chit.
Cheers By: tenn21 08 Sep 2011, 10:45 AM EDT Msg. 1036254 of 1036264 (Reply to 1036218 by gusjarvis) gus- They charged me $45.00 for mine, guess they know a sucker when they see one!? By: gusjarvis 08 Sep 2011, 10:49 AM EDT Msg. 1036256 of 1036264 (Reply to 1036254 by tenn21) tenn they also secretly paid for that cert you paid for
as did etrade, ameritrade, tdwaterhouse, knight, cibc, rbc, jeff, and the rest. They were all caught, all paid, and there is money sitting there, that is a given.
Now it is easy to prove actually, you have a cert when you were sold nothing. That money was obtained pre and during and post cert pull, and everyone involved knows exactly what was paid and that that money is safe.
Our company officials should be doing something about it, not al hodges. And the sec/doj should be doing something about it, not al hodges. ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI
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Post by 3bid on Sept 8, 2011 11:23:09 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 08 Sep 2011, 11:12 AM EDT Msg. 1036265 of 1036277 (Reply to 1036247 by rosencrantz2010) jboydwv, the only way the tender offer can be much more than .002 is if the company can somehow reduce the OS. if there are 630 billion shares out then they can't make us a tender offer much above .002. oh, it could be something like .005, but not too much more since then you start getting into silly numbers and the market is going to question the whole deal. remember, it all has to make sense otherwise people will be suspicious about where the money came from, who is paying who, etc. so, if anyone wants to say we are going to get a tender offer of .02 or .10 or .54 or higher then our OS is going to have to come way, way down - which is not impossible assuming they can play with the numbers anyway they want. for example, let's say that part of the 630 billion shares counted in the cert pull are owned by URBAN/COMPANY. for the sake of argument, let's say that the shareholder, that is, you and i, only own about 70-80 billion shares and the remaining 550 billion shares are owned by URBAN/COMPANY. well, if URBAN/COMPANY wants to cancel those 550 billion shares there is nothing stopping them. and they really don't have to explain themselves. all they have to do is have TYLER announce that 550 billion shares were determined to be illegal shares and are being cancelled. voila! problem of too many shares solved. okay, now that we only have 80 billion shares then you can start talking about making a tender offer of .05. in other words, 80 billion x .05 = $4 billion. in short, a reasonable and believable figure for SHORE to pay us for our claims in the FALC. and that's how you get to .05 per share. but you sure can't do it if there are 630 billion shares out. oh, and one more thing. SHORE is partly us. in other words, the source of the funds for the tender offer made by SHORE is really just coming from URBAN/COMPANY via a buy into that company. but that too is going to have to all make sense or else the markets won't buy that deal. it has to be done out in the open. it has to make sense. otherwise everyone will suspect something is fishy about the whole deal involving SHORE, etc. ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=1036265
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Post by 3bid on Sept 8, 2011 16:30:08 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 08 Sep 2011, 05:17 PM EDT Msg. 1036367 of 1036371 (Reply to 1036365 by gusjarvis) gus, BRIG is confused. he needs to reread my scenarios. my scenario calls for a tender offer being made followed by an offer of rr for NEWCORP shares. my scenario makes no mention of the specifics about whether the company is wrapped up or not. it doesn't really matter. if he wants to say it was wrapped up years ago. that's fine. and if someone wants to argue with him about that point that is okay with me too. either way, it doesn't make any difference. what matters is our receiving a tender offer for our shares of cmkx. call it what you like, but there will basically have to be a tender offer for our shares. that is what is important to all of us and that is what counts. and that, in my opinion, is the likeliest scenario of how they will get some money to us. another way they may possibly get money to us is through the FAIR FUNDS process. they have won their suits against URBAN, EDWARDS and the others and the government is likely going to find a pot of money somewhere that EDWARDS hid. those funds will be gobbled up by the government and moved in to the CMKX FAIR FUND ACCOUNT where it will be distributed. that also seems likely to me. it may not be much but it could provide all of us with a reimbursement of our original investment, say payment of around .0001 to .0002 a share. that way the SEC can claim victory for the small time investor. YEAH! - fair funds - tender offer - rr those three mechanisms seem to be the most likely ones we'll see being used to move money (or value) to us in the coming six months. ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=1036367
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Post by 3bid on Sept 8, 2011 17:29:44 GMT -5
By: gusjarvis 08 Sep 2011, 06:01 PM EDT Msg. 1036378 of 1036379 (Reply to 1036367 by rosencrantz2010) Rosen I only meant everthing is wound up, the brokers paid years ago, some land was sold years ago. We get that money one way or another, who cares how. After that we get bought out or move on. Simple ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=1036378
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Sept 9, 2011 8:26:22 GMT -5
ChuckWheat DIAMOND JEDI Re: CMKX Tyler Shareholder Update « Reply #16 Yesterday at 8:16pm »
Did no one else notice the CMKX IR guy using Al Hodges tagline?
Coincidence?
C-Dub
funado DIAMOND JEDI WARLORD Re: CMKX Tyler Shareholder Update « Reply #17 Yesterday at 8:18pm »
I did notice that, C-Dub, and thought it was pretty cool.
I imagine it was a tip of the hat to Al.
JMO, Funado
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Sept 9, 2011 11:21:12 GMT -5
By: cbaughan 09 Sep 2011, 10:50 AM EDT Rating: Msg. 1036435 of 1036452 Jump to msg. # I spoke with Sal Catrini just now. He is : Managing Director for Equities - Cantor Fitzgerald & Co. He was speaking on TV last night with Fox Business News: video.foxbusiness.com/v/1149546801001/buy-stocks-that-benefit-from-inflation/ I was very lucky to call him and he promptly answered his phone. (If he had only known that he was going to be speaking with a CMKX shareholder!) He immediately asked who I was. I gave him my name and I told him that I am a CMKX shareholder and that I had heard the clip on Fox last night regarding Global Monetary Stimulus that he suggested could be happening this weekend. I said that we have a preimminent lawyer by the name of Mr. Hodges who has been saying something very similar regarding the World Global Settlements that he believes is in the works to happen in the near future. I asked him if he had heard anything similar to this. His response to me was “I don’t know anything more to tell you. I did my job by passing it on. But it is not exactly a secret..in fact Morgan Stanley mentions it today on Bloomberg. You can find the write up about it on the Bloomberg website.” I thanked him for that information and then asked if he could speak more about his credible sources. He said he could say nothing else and that he had done his part. He thanked me for calling…was very cordial. Mona
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