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Post by 2018 on Aug 17, 2010 22:44:40 GMT -5
What I find interesting is that Mr. Hodges has not himself suggested a PPS, and has only provided a top end number for the trust value and suggested that one calculate the pps on their own. Now, why would he do that? It sure doesn't reflect confidence in the $6 pps, but why suggest it then? Read my lips GOB, ------------------.54--$2.00 a share straight from AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well i certainly would not complain with those numbers. .54 to 2 dollars. Now in regards any calculations, i just dont think we have enough info to do it. Ok so hodges lawsuits says 3.87 trillion or whatever the numbers is, that he is suing them for it or release of our moneys. so that alraedy posts a question as to what is the real number. is what is collected smaller or larger then 3.87? Another thing, these moneys were suposedly collected from the brokers for issuing naked shorted shares. So they paid for that. How many? We dont know. some of the shares out of 622 billion were canceled. how many? we dont know. those people that bought nss shares, and then got certs, lets say after the brokers paid for them, how many of those would have been above 622 billion? Well in the last acca visit somebody asked if the share count is higher then 622 billion and he said yes much much higher. I did not have to hear that from him to think so, if we are talking about moneys collected for naked shorted shares, illegal shares, obviously it would be above 622 billion. So what numbers do we really have that are fact .. to divide into anything? For this reason i dont even try. I dont think we have either x y or z... so the math is impossible. And hodges probably says what he says because that is what he put out in his lawsuit. And does not want to add or subtract or go into any detail any more. So i dont calculate at all. But if we were indeed to get from .54 to 2 dollars that would be amazing imo. And also i would be very happy for small shareholders. All those that have 1 milliion, 2,3,5 ...10 million shares because indeed that would be a good payout. We can only hope and pray that we will win, that hodges will win it for us. |
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Post by 2018 on Aug 17, 2010 23:09:30 GMT -5
Actualy there is probably more factors for pps or roi then x,y,z mentioned above.
We did talk about money from sale of claims.
that money would be divided into all cert holding shareholders imo.
those within the legal count and those above the legal count of 622 billion.
are there more moneys?
from more places?
probably.
the point is, again, who is in charge of those moneys?
is sec and the government preventing any of the moneys and trusts that are meant for us to be released?
that seems to be the case.
now this could be the full circle, that hodges is suing for the release of all those moneys.
from all the different places and funds and trusts ..
but still we dont have the numbers .. not even numbers of shareholders this is going into.
622 is legal number of shares that this company publicly has put out.
if we are talking about settlements for nss shares, illegaly issued shares above the legal count of 622 billion, obviously there would be more shares or shares above 622.
again i am repeating myself.
but it seems to me the way hodges is telling people to just divide the number he is suing for ,, against 622 billion is the same thing that kevin west used to answer questions when we have asked about our share structure.
he would only repeat the legal public numbers and nothing else.
but that is not the whole story here.
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Post by nubchai on Aug 18, 2010 2:02:40 GMT -5
Manny, No offense but we've had countless "reliable sources" make predictions over the years and none have been right. And no one ever names their sources so the predictions are meaningless. The other thing I've found is the people with fewer shares usually yell the loudest about not accepting a penny less than what we're due. Heaven forbid we should get .10a share for a .0003 investment lol. Here's my view. I think there are 1 or more trusts out there for cmkx shareholders. I think Peter Maheu is the puppet master. He may even be the trustee, I think he prompted Hodges to file his lawsuit. Maybe for pressure. Maybe for a distraction. I lean toward distraction because when you start writing about asking the Queen of England for help I can't take you too seriously. At any rate I think Pete's our guy. Why hasn't he released out funds? I have no idea. But I'm hoping his reputation for integrity will live up to his father's and we'll get paid. Nub ONE MORE TIME............ I don't know if this is true or not, but about four months ago a reliable source told me when I asked how much, he said somewhere between .54 & $2.00 a share and not to belive all this crap about $6.00 a share!! |
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Post by BHollenegg on Aug 18, 2010 4:34:56 GMT -5
Don't sell yourself short. Attorney Hodges stated the facts. $3.87 Trillion. This is for the Shareholders. Divide this by the actual outstanding shares, not the authorized outstanding shares because some of the shares were retired, then you will get the approximate amount per share.
If you want to accept less, please keep it to yourself..don't advertise... you will not speed up the process...don't give them any more excuses to delay trying to figure out what Shareholders are willing to accept. The money is yours period! Contribute to those in need not in greed. Pay it forward, NOT Back!
Thank you,
BHollenegg
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Post by go4it4ever on Aug 18, 2010 5:21:41 GMT -5
Hey Bob, good to see you, how about the bank problem from last weekend, is it solved now?
Go4it...
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Post by ishmel on Aug 18, 2010 5:36:41 GMT -5
Amen to that Bob. Pay it forward not back. Where is our pride, our vigilance, our luster. I want it all or nothing so that I can finally walk away from this with out anymore doubts of if their should have been more for the rest of my life. Aftr all this, I would appreciate knowing that I got everything back that was taken from me and nothing less.
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Post by lurknomore on Aug 18, 2010 6:19:15 GMT -5
trying to figure out what Shareholders are willing to accept. I certainly hope you don't mean that literally. Note to "them": Figure THIS out: ALL OF IT, PLUS INTEREST... NOW! |
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Post by hacksawjim on Aug 18, 2010 7:53:52 GMT -5
i can't remember exact #'s... but i remember talk of very large blocks of shares created for the sting that were allegedly created/approved.
and, if i remember correctly, urban was keeping them to be retired later... they were not actually entering the market.
i may be out to lunch... but i'm sure this was allegedly occuring.
so our 3.7tril/much lower amount of shares could make for a larger payout than $6.
imo
hack
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Post by BHollenegg on Aug 18, 2010 7:54:26 GMT -5
trying to figure out what Shareholders are willing to accept. I certainly hope you don't mean that literally. Note to "them": Figure THIS out: ALL OF IT, PLUS INTEREST... NOW! Lurknomore...please do not take a part of my message and change the original intent of my message. I posted "If you want to accept less, please keep it to yourself..don't advertise... you will not speed up the process...don't give them any more excuses to delay trying to figure out what Shareholders are willing to accept" I could do the same to your message and changed the meaning.. "Figure this out:... Interest". Lurknomore please changenomore my messages Thank you, BHollenegg |
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Post by vpd on Aug 18, 2010 8:12:50 GMT -5
Don't sell yourself short. Attorney Hodges stated the facts. $3.87 Trillion. This is for the Shareholders. Divide this by the actual outstanding shares, not the authorized outstanding shares because some of the shares were retired, then you will get the approximate amount per share. If you want to accept less, please keep it to yourself..don't advertise... you will not speed up the process...don't give them any more excuses to delay trying to figure out what Shareholders are willing to accept. The money is yours period! Contribute to those in need not in greed. Pay it forward, NOT Back! Thank you, BHollenegg Bob do you consider the naked shorted shares part of the outstanding? If not why not? These people purchased shares just as everyone else did. TIA |
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Post by goodolboy on Aug 18, 2010 8:18:29 GMT -5
Don't sell yourself short. Attorney Hodges stated the facts. $3.87 Trillion. This is for the Shareholders. Divide this by the actual outstanding shares, not the authorized outstanding shares because some of the shares were retired, then you will get the approximate amount per share. If you want to accept less, please keep it to yourself..don't advertise... you will not speed up the process...don't give them any more excuses to delay trying to figure out what Shareholders are willing to accept. The money is yours period! Contribute to those in need not in greed. Pay it forward, NOT Back! Thank you, BHollenegg This is exactly why what Mr. Hodges told Manny .54 to 2.00 pps is problematic. Mr. Hodges has told all of us that $3.87 Trillion it the amount and in essence suggested we figure out what the pps is. You calculate around $6 pps and many accept your figure unquestioned. But, Mr. Hodges himself says your figure is wrong, telling Manny it's between .54 and $2.00. Maybe you could contact Mr. Hodges so that the two of you can get your stories straight, and then let us all know what the agreed upon figure is. |
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Post by jcnelson298 on Aug 18, 2010 8:30:01 GMT -5
I don't even know why people are talking about this ,,,, no one is going to get it right ,,,, We were told that there is 3.87 Trillion for us ,,, lets just get it payed ,,, I'll take what ever it brakes up to be per share....
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Post by Ed Jagacki on Aug 18, 2010 8:33:00 GMT -5
Jnelson:
So then, what should we discuss?
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Post by Brigantine on Aug 18, 2010 8:34:30 GMT -5
JC, we are talking about this, because every time there is a failed date, a "new" poster brings up the how much would you take subject. The ploy couldn't be more obvious if they held up a sign saying, "I'm here to gauge the depths of your desperation in this matter." But still people fall for it every time. What part of
We have set forth in the complaint what the shareholders are entitled to receive; compromise is not anything that the shareholders want, desire, or would tolerate or accept.
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Post by lurknomore on Aug 18, 2010 8:45:01 GMT -5
I certainly hope you don't mean that literally. Note to "them": Figure THIS out: ALL OF IT, PLUS INTEREST... NOW! Lurknomore...please do not take a part of my message and change the original intent of my message. I posted "If you want to accept less, please keep it to yourself..don't advertise... you will not speed up the process...don't give them any more excuses to delay trying to figure out what Shareholders are willing to accept" I could do the same to your message and changed the meaning.. "Figure this out:... Interest". Lurknomore please changenomore my messages Thank you, BHollenegg BOB- I merely featured the EXACT PHRASE that I was addressing, so as to be specific. Actually, your ENTIRE POST implied the possibility that "they" could really be "trying to figure out what Shareholders are willing to accept," and THAT is very unsettling.There was no ill intent there.Now, instead of critiquing my posting style, could you address the real question I had, please? Is there a possibility that "they" could really be "trying to figure out what Shareholders are willing to accept?" How could someone on the boards saying they would accept .01 pps change the actual payout? I would think the amount is non-negotiable. |
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