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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 20:38:32 GMT -5
Briwad....obviously there wasn't a response from Al or Bob would have posted it...IMO...there won't be a response from Al.because he is in a waiting mode imo...lets just see what transpires in a week or two...after that you are free to condem to your hearts content... Gabby, In CMKXdom, how is this obvious? Mike
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 21:20:10 GMT -5
At this stage of the game, my opinion, your opinion, or anyone's opinion is irrelevant. In fact, I am sick of opinions. It's time for facts, good or bad. It's time for Al to show his hand and if he can't because of government restrictions, then he needs to say so. Briwadd, Are you referring to the government restrictions like Al's psychotropic letter he sent to the plaintiffs when he was supposedly in Richmond describing all the Black Ops vehicles and military coups-type activity. Let's see if the leaker of that letter has the integrity to step up and admit it. I personally have a recording of such conversation. Georgia happens to be a one-party consent state, so it is perfectly legal in that regard. No FBI profiling necessary... My guess is, the leaker will not come forth. My guess also is, the same leaker will not come forth with admission to being angry with AH during the same timeframe as the "BATMAN" episode. I'm going to go get a pedicure now while the minions muster to agree on a strategy for this post... Silliness! I do, however, have a question. Who do you trust, the tire salesman at Walmart, or the polymer engineer that has been designing tires for 20 years? I'd sell books, but there ain't (scholarly technical term) much of that going on around here. Squeezebox, if you're reading this, thank you for all that you have done for the shareholders. If it weren't for you, the AG Action would have never happened, nor the interviews with several state attorneys general and our teams, nor the FBI investigation. I'm proud of you and proud to know you. I can't think of anyone more passionate and less selfish than you. Although my mom's lasagna... Mike By the way, Mannyfin is the most honorable man in this equation. He was the gatekeeper for the AG Action and kept it straight despite saboteurs trying to undermine the efforts of over 1000 people (shareholders are more than shareholders, they are people) trying to release the funds legally. The AG Action was put together with a steering committee of your peers. It had an official charter and it worked and resulted in an FBI investigation. It was also summarily chastised and condemned by self-righteous, would be heroes who frankly haven't spent a dime, but claim to have. Wolfbela was chastised too. Maybe he was a bit too passionate, but he worked hard for us. Harder than that braggarts for sure...
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Post by timonesock on Aug 12, 2013 23:13:47 GMT -5
Mike
I appreciate any effort to bring light to this maness!! So I thank you and everyone evolved in the AG effort however, It netted exactly the same as AH and the bivens!!! So to sit here and pat yourself and others on he back yet in he same breath beat up on others that put their lives an careers on the line to get us paid is a bit TWO faced IMO! Unless you have verifiable proof that AH and BH was out to screw us ( wich you don't have or your AG movement would of resulted in indictments) I would thank them just as I have thanked you!! Thanks for your effort AH if you have proof of a trust lets get it in the open and watch some shareholder will!!!!
If you don't have proof AH tell us that as well so we can move the freak on!!!
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Post by JoeRockss on Aug 13, 2013 5:54:36 GMT -5
Mike I appreciate any effort to bring light to this maness!! So I thank you and everyone evolved in the AG effort however, It netted exactly the same as AH and the bivens!!! So to sit here and pat yourself and others on he back yet in he same breath beat up on others that put their lives an careers on the line to get us paid is a bit TWO faced IMO! Unless you have verifiable proof that AH and BH was out to screw us ( wich you don't have or your AG movement would of resulted in indictments) I would thank them just as I have thanked you!! Thanks for your effort AH if you have proof of a trust lets get it in the open and watch some shareholder will!!!! If you don't have proof AH tell us that as well so we can move the freak on!!! Good post. Thank you!
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Aug 13, 2013 7:20:07 GMT -5
Mike I appreciate any effort to bring light to this maness!! So I thank you and everyone evolved in the AG effort however, It netted exactly the same as AH and the bivens!!! So to sit here and pat yourself and others on he back yet in he same breath beat up on others that put their lives an careers on the line to get us paid is a bit TWO faced IMO! Unless you have verifiable proof that AH and BH was out to screw us ( wich you don't have or your AG movement would of resulted in indictments) I would thank them just as I have thanked you!! Thanks for your effort AH if you have proof of a trust lets get it in the open and watch some shareholder will!!!! If you don't have proof AH tell us that as well so we can move the freak on!!! Super post Tim !! I too appreciate ALL attempts by ANYONE who truly has/had the best interest of ALL shareholders at heart !! Over the past 10 years... MANY, MANY have tried and continue to do so ....... So far.....We only have OPINIONS of what each attempt has accomplished.... little proof. Results remain to be seen.... SO... here we STILL sit........ Hopefully AH will update the shareholders.... one way or the other. SINGLE
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 7:21:09 GMT -5
Mike I appreciate any effort to bring light to this maness!! So I thank you and everyone evolved in the AG effort however, It netted exactly the same as AH and the bivens!!! So to sit here and pat yourself and others on he back yet in he same breath beat up on others that put their lives an careers on the line to get us paid is a bit TWO faced IMO! Unless you have verifiable proof that AH and BH was out to screw us ( wich you don't have or your AG movement would of resulted in indictments) I would thank them just as I have thanked you!! Thanks for your effort AH if you have proof of a trust lets get it in the open and watch some shareholder will!!!! If you don't have proof AH tell us that as well so we can move the freak on!!! Tim, Thanks for the note. Where did I say BH or AH was out to screw us? No problem with the Bivens. No back patting either. The point is transparency and hands-on effort versus cloak and dagger, top secret clearance, episodic histrionics, et cetera. As for netting anything, indictments of who? The FBI never told us there would be indictments. Indictments were never the objective of either effort that I am aware of. But, if that's your measure of success, you may continue to be disappointed. Mike
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Post by timonesock on Aug 13, 2013 7:41:09 GMT -5
Mike I appreciate any effort to bring light to this maness!! So I thank you and everyone evolved in the AG effort however, It netted exactly the same as AH and the bivens!!! So to sit here and pat yourself and others on he back yet in he same breath beat up on others that put their lives an careers on the line to get us paid is a bit TWO faced IMO! Unless you have verifiable proof that AH and BH was out to screw us ( wich you don't have or your AG movement would of resulted in indictments) I would thank them just as I have thanked you!! Thanks for your effort AH if you have proof of a trust lets get it in the open and watch some shareholder will!!!! If you don't have proof AH tell us that as well so we can move the freak on!!! Tim, Thanks for the note. Where did I say BH or AH was out to screw us? No problem with the Bivens. No back patting either. The point is transparency and hands-on effort versus cloak and dagger, top secret clearance, episodic histrionics, et cetera. As for netting anything, indictments of who? The FBI never told us there would be indictments. Indictments were never the objective of either effort that I am aware of. But, if that's your measure of success, you may continue to be disappointed. Mike What then exactly do you go to the top law enforcement agency in each state if your not looking for indictments? I felt the AG action was to force answers through law enforcement?? My point remains the same! I want answers to this mess regardless of how they come!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 9:40:45 GMT -5
Tim, Thanks for the note. Where did I say BH or AH was out to screw us? No problem with the Bivens. No back patting either. The point is transparency and hands-on effort versus cloak and dagger, top secret clearance, episodic histrionics, et cetera. As for netting anything, indictments of who? The FBI never told us there would be indictments. Indictments were never the objective of either effort that I am aware of. But, if that's your measure of success, you may continue to be disappointed. Mike What then exactly do you go to the top law enforcement agency in each state if your not looking for indictments? I felt the AG action was to force answers through law enforcement?? My point remains the same! I want answers to this mess regardless of how they come! You said it, answers and hopefully payment. The securities divisions of these states investigate. Indictments are up to them. Frankly, I couldn't care less who is indicted. The biggest objective of the AG Action was to rally enough pressure form the states to force the Federal government to release the funds. The states were essentially told to stand down. So, now it's your turn. You want answers, go get'em. You may have better luck. Mike
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Post by MannyFin on Aug 13, 2013 9:52:43 GMT -5
What then exactly do you go to the top law enforcement agency in each state if your not looking for indictments? I felt the AG action was to force answers through law enforcement?? My point remains the same! I want answers to this mess regardless of how they come! You said it, answers and hopefully payment. The securities divisions of these states investigate. Indictments are up to them. Frankly, I couldn't care less who is indicted. The biggest objective of the AG Action was to rally enough pressure form the states to force the Federal government to release the funds. The states were essentially told to stand down. So, now it's your turn. You want answers, go get'em. You may have better luck. Mike I got something you both can go get ;D ;D
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Aug 13, 2013 9:58:38 GMT -5
RunningRich DIAMOND DIGGER Member since: September 2012 Post by RunningRich on about an hour ago
IMO..... The JOURNEY would not have been so LONG if there wasn't any "ACTUAL PROOF".
I will continue to "TRUST" the DRIVER of the TRAIN!
Regards, RunningRich
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Post by BHollenegg on Aug 13, 2013 11:49:05 GMT -5
Mike I appreciate any effort to bring light to this maness!! So I thank you and everyone evolved in the AG effort however, It netted exactly the same as AH and the bivens!!! So to sit here and pat yourself and others on he back yet in he same breath beat up on others that put their lives an careers on the line to get us paid is a bit TWO faced IMO! Unless you have verifiable proof that AH and BH was out to screw us ( wich you don't have or your AG movement would of resulted in indictments) I would thank them just as I have thanked you!! Thanks for your effort AH if you have proof of a trust lets get it in the open and watch some shareholder will!!!! If you don't have proof AH tell us that as well so we can move the freak on!!! Thank you Timonesock for an excellent message...your fairness is greatly appreciated. The reasons I post the message initiating this thread ..keep the paper trail visible until the funds are released, ...to get CEO Kirkpatrick officially involved by providing a conduit to exchange evidence, ...to stop the fighting amongst shareholders, ...for shareholders peace of mind, ...for accountability. When the lawsuit was active we had a point and direction we could go to and monitor what was going on. Now that the lawsuit is over, the updates should be frequent if we are finished and it's only a process issue. CEO Kirkpatrick, when he first came on board, was briefed by Attorney Hodges on the amount breakdown. CEO Kirkpatrick wasn't provided with any evidence... Attorney Hodges was still in the lawsuit. I do not feel that there should be a problem to show CEO Kirkpatrick just enough evidence to convince the CEO to acknowledge there are funds; plus, I have CEO Kirkpatrick's word that if he is shown evidence he will use whatever means available to help get the funds released to the shareholders asap. Before I post the message, I gave CEO Kirkpatrick and Attorney Hodges a chance to respond. The spirit of the letter "to get the flow of communication in a constructive direction." I am not getting better health wise. I can't go on forever. I thought hard and many times for hours on what to do that would expedite the release, provide accountability and enough transparency to satisfy the majority of the shareholders. I did my best and did what I thought was best under the circumstances. Thank you , BHollenegg
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Post by e362 on Aug 13, 2013 15:43:05 GMT -5
Mike I appreciate any effort to bring light to this maness!! So I thank you and everyone evolved in the AG effort however, It netted exactly the same as AH and the bivens!!! So to sit here and pat yourself and others on he back yet in he same breath beat up on others that put their lives an careers on the line to get us paid is a bit TWO faced IMO! Unless you have verifiable proof that AH and BH was out to screw us ( wich you don't have or your AG movement would of resulted in indictments) I would thank them just as I have thanked you!! Thanks for your effort AH if you have proof of a trust lets get it in the open and watch some shareholder will!!!! If you don't have proof AH tell us that as well so we can move the freak on!!! Thank you Timonesock for an excellent message...your fairness is greatly appreciated. The reasons I post the message initiating this thread ..keep the paper trail visible until the funds are released, ...to get CEO Kirkpatrick officially involved by providing a conduit to exchange evidence, ...to stop the fighting amongst shareholders, ...for shareholders peace of mind, ...for accountability. When the lawsuit was active we had a point and direction we could go to and monitor what was going on. Now that the lawsuit is over, the updates should be frequent if we are finished and it's only a process issue. CEO Kirkpatrick, when he first came on board, was briefed by Attorney Hodges on the amount breakdown. CEO Kirkpatrick wasn't provided with any evidence... Attorney Hodges was still in the lawsuit. I do not feel that there should be a problem to show CEO Kirkpatrick just enough evidence to convince the CEO to acknowledge there are funds; plus, I have CEO Kirkpatrick's word that if he is shown evidence he will use whatever means available to help get the funds released to the shareholders asap. Before I post the message, I gave CEO Kirkpatrick and Attorney Hodges a chance to respond. The spirit of the letter "to get the flow of communication in a constructive direction." I am not getting better health wise. I can't go on forever. I thought hard and many times for hours on what to do that would expedite the release, provide accountability and enough transparency to satisfy the majority of the shareholders. I did my best and did what I thought was best under the circumstances. Thank you , BHollenegg I am beginning to have the impression that AH is more of a problem than a savior as some would portray him. I have always had a very bad feeling regarding his unwillingness to allow the very benificaries of this trust to actually see proof of its existance, not to mention any of the plaintiffs or the CEO of the company. Who does he think he is? When the lawsuit was alive AH informed us through his plaintiffs that he couldn't show the proof as it would put him at a disadvantage in the suit, AH, the suit is OVER, whats the excuse now? And please stop with the, it could be a processing issue. We were told numerous times the packages were at the ready once ER was recvd to release them. So there is nothing left to process unless the prior messages were simply to appease the angry stuckholders. I am of the belief this is all one long stall job, for what reason is the question.
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Post by briwadd on Aug 13, 2013 17:56:02 GMT -5
Mike I appreciate any effort to bring light to this maness!! So I thank you and everyone evolved in the AG effort however, It netted exactly the same as AH and the bivens!!! So to sit here and pat yourself and others on he back yet in he same breath beat up on others that put their lives an careers on the line to get us paid is a bit TWO faced IMO! Unless you have verifiable proof that AH and BH was out to screw us ( wich you don't have or your AG movement would of resulted in indictments) I would thank them just as I have thanked you!! Thanks for your effort AH if you have proof of a trust lets get it in the open and watch some shareholder will!!!! If you don't have proof AH tell us that as well so we can move the freak on!!! Thank you Timonesock for an excellent message...your fairness is greatly appreciated. The reasons I post the message initiating this thread ..keep the paper trail visible until the funds are released, ...to get CEO Kirkpatrick officially involved by providing a conduit to exchange evidence, ...to stop the fighting amongst shareholders, ...for shareholders peace of mind, ...for accountability. When the lawsuit was active we had a point and direction we could go to and monitor what was going on. Now that the lawsuit is over, the updates should be frequent if we are finished and it's only a process issue. CEO Kirkpatrick, when he first came on board, was briefed by Attorney Hodges on the amount breakdown. CEO Kirkpatrick wasn't provided with any evidence... Attorney Hodges was still in the lawsuit. I do not feel that there should be a problem to show CEO Kirkpatrick just enough evidence to convince the CEO to acknowledge there are funds; plus, I have CEO Kirkpatrick's word that if he is shown evidence he will use whatever means available to help get the funds released to the shareholders asap. Before I post the message, I gave CEO Kirkpatrick and Attorney Hodges a chance to respond. The spirit of the letter "to get the flow of communication in a constructive direction." I am not getting better health wise. I can't go on forever. I thought hard and many times for hours on what to do that would expedite the release, provide accountability and enough transparency to satisfy the majority of the shareholders. I did my best and did what I thought was best under the circumstances. Thank you , BHollenegg Bob, I appreciate your efforts; however, I knew Al would not respond to your request. As far as SK, I have spoken with him in the past and I assure you he sees Al Hodges as nothing more than a distraction to what he is trying to accomplish. He does not buy into the 'secret trust' theory. And why should he, he has not been provided anything at all that would substantiate anything Al has ever said. Bob, since Al will not provide SK any proof, can you request that he at least provide the shareholders with a current update. That's the least he can do. Briwadd
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 18:58:28 GMT -5
You said it, answers and hopefully payment. The securities divisions of these states investigate. Indictments are up to them. Frankly, I couldn't care less who is indicted. The biggest objective of the AG Action was to rally enough pressure form the states to force the Federal government to release the funds. The states were essentially told to stand down. So, now it's your turn. You want answers, go get'em. You may have better luck. Mike I got something you both can go get ;D ;D You mean as in sniffiedoodles? I got your number sailor (totally true since I do have your number AND you were a sailor). Squeeze and I talked today. We're going to fly out in my plane, pick you up, and toss out leaflets to Al Hodges. FAA allows that from 1000 feet if there is no danger to people or property. Of course, when we get on the ground, we may get fined for littering... ;D Mike
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 19:03:32 GMT -5
Thank you Timonesock for an excellent message...your fairness is greatly appreciated. The reasons I post the message initiating this thread ..keep the paper trail visible until the funds are released, ...to get CEO Kirkpatrick officially involved by providing a conduit to exchange evidence, ...to stop the fighting amongst shareholders, ...for shareholders peace of mind, ...for accountability. When the lawsuit was active we had a point and direction we could go to and monitor what was going on. Now that the lawsuit is over, the updates should be frequent if we are finished and it's only a process issue. CEO Kirkpatrick, when he first came on board, was briefed by Attorney Hodges on the amount breakdown. CEO Kirkpatrick wasn't provided with any evidence... Attorney Hodges was still in the lawsuit. I do not feel that there should be a problem to show CEO Kirkpatrick just enough evidence to convince the CEO to acknowledge there are funds; plus, I have CEO Kirkpatrick's word that if he is shown evidence he will use whatever means available to help get the funds released to the shareholders asap. Before I post the message, I gave CEO Kirkpatrick and Attorney Hodges a chance to respond. The spirit of the letter "to get the flow of communication in a constructive direction." I am not getting better health wise. I can't go on forever. I thought hard and many times for hours on what to do that would expedite the release, provide accountability and enough transparency to satisfy the majority of the shareholders. I did my best and did what I thought was best under the circumstances. Thank you , BHollenegg Bob, I appreciate your efforts; however, I knew Al would not respond to your request. As far as SK, I have spoken with him in the past and I assure you he sees Al Hodges as nothing more than a distraction to what he is trying to accomplish. He does not buy into the 'secret trust' theory. And why should he, he has not been provided anything at all that would substantiate anything Al has ever said. Bob, since Al will not provide SK any proof, can you request that he at least provide the shareholders with a current update. That's the least he can do. Briwadd Briwadd, Nicely done. I have the exact same feedback from SK regarding his position relative to Al Hodges as do many others. Mike
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