Post by soonerlew on Oct 21, 2007 15:03:38 GMT -5
Chrisl Convo w/ Andy Hill
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chrisl:
You deserve every negative word that is written about you. You sucked people into this scam just like you did with NMCX. I hope you do become a moderator here cause than it will be fun when you suspend me for questioning you daily.
Oaks:
Grow up and accept responsibility for your own decisions. Noone ever forced you to do anything regarding the X stocks or any other stock. I believed in both of them when I invested my own money and took the risk. While I am very disappointed in the outcome of both at present, I don't sit around whining about it. I accepted the RISK the second I pushed the buy button. I am still optimistic both the X's may in fact pay off, but I have no control over either doing so and get on with life.
I accept me buying and have never ever complained about that. But what does disgust me is people like you who pumped stocks. You pumped CMKX daily on RB and when you found out it was a scam you still pumped it. Your hero or employer robbed shareholders of money and you have the nerve to say something to me.
chrisl:
You lied to the shareholders and than even question the people that are trying to fix a problem. How much is Urban paying right now to be on the boards protecting him?
Oaks:
Buddy...I am just a shareholder like you and have had no contact with Urban since April/06.
I have not seen anything personally to date to convince me that Urban himself was part of a scam. He has not been charged with anything from any regulatory bodies or legal entities. I don't see anything to evidence he is living high on the hog today. Ron Casavant still lives on the same acreage outside of Prince Albert and apparantly lives the same as he always has..nothing fancy. As for the rest of the cast of characters, ie John Edwards and others...I have no idea if they gained big and I never had any contact with anyone other than Urban 99% of the time. Noone seems to be able to find Edwards who it is said lives in China, but who really knows.
When I was posting on RB it was when I became a shareholder in Nov/03, and simply enjoyed talking about the stock and doing DD like anyone else. It was mere chance that I was approached to provide the IR in Nov/04. Was I set up? Possibly but again I don't have enough facts today to judge Urban. He paid me for the IR role and I did the best I could and even considered quitting just after the Hearing. But with Stoecklein and Mahue aboard at that time, I thought it better to hang in as I don't think Urban would have hired another IR person if I had bailed. With the average 100 phone calls I received every day, Monday to Friday, I thought it important for the shareholders to have someone to talk with. I was very surprised when Urban told me they were going to drop the appeal and request delisting. When the 8k came out everyone knew the stock was going to get delisted and everyone had that week to sell if they could for whatever they could get. Most decided to stay and based on what very little Urban told me, I was confident the formation of the Task Force and the Cert Pull would be a positive in the end and it still may well be.
As for Kevin and his people, I have not had the opportunity to speak with Kevin, so I have a very difficult time ascertaining exactly what he is trying to accomplish and why. There is no money, there are no assets..and if in fact Frizzell is entitled to upward of 40% of any monies recovered, I certainly would not be in favour of that. If any monies come to shareholders I have never thought it would flow through Kevin or Frizzell's hands to shareholders, but it remains to be seen if any monies will ever materialize. Was Urban putting together a $4 bill. deal in April/06 when I spoke with him? He said he was but I have no idea if it was true or culminated....I just hope that it did and as some posters have suggested, it will be distributed to shareholders. I consider it all rumor and personal opinion until anything becomes reality.
Like I have posted, I believe Urban got himself involved with some very bad and dangerous people. I think he wanted to fix it, but it was too big and too out of control. However, I have never believed you would have had Stoecklien and Roger Glenn involved, or Mahue for that matter if CMKX was nothing but a scam from start to finish. Simply not possible with these people around it, plus I have always questioned why the SEC allowed for 703 bill shares to be issued before they decided to step in.
I have no idea what may happen to resolve anything, but I do remain hopeful that this very complex maze of confusion will finally result in you and every shareholder getting some sort of win in the end.
I am not the bad guy in all of this, but I don't worry about it if you want to vent your frustration toward me. I understand and accept you being upset and mad as I am the same about how badly CMKX turned out. If anyone thinks I don't care about every shareholder then they simply don't know me.
As for NMCX....when Mike Sheppard came aboard it began to get all messed up. He did not control things properly and it became a disaster. The value is in ground but if you don't have decent management nothing will ever get accomplished and this is 100% the case with NMCX. If you think I am disappointed about CMKX, I am 100 times more disappointed about NMCX, after being a shareholder since late 1999. I was their number one fan for years and after visiting the milling site in May/04 was convinced it was the real deal. All Mike had to do was get the audit done like he was hired to do and the stock would have done great and the dilution would never have happened.
I am open to any respectful dialogue if you choose...I am simply not into the mud slinging waste of time stuff.
Andy
chrisl:
You sure do speak a lot of double talk Andy.
If it were not for Kevin West and Bill Frizzell your friend Urban would bankrupt this company. He lied to shareholders for years. He hid the A/S increases. Him and his cohort squandered over $250 million from this company and yet you have the nerve to still support him.
To reiterate Kevin and Bill about this 40% is something mentally wrong with you? They are working on their dime not yours. 60% of something is better than 100% of nothing and if Urban had his way that is exactly what would of happened.
Maybe you should schedule an appointment and go down to Texas and visit with the CEO of this company. Urban signed the company over to Kevin plain and simple. Maybe before you make one sided comments you should view the side from the people that here on their dime and not yours.
Oaks:
I have tried to contact Kevin numerous times but he chooses not to speak with me for whatever reason. I would love to have a candid conversation with Kevin. Nor have I ever spoken with Frizzell. Don't you find it strange that neither of them have ever contacted me because I sure do, given my supposedly sinister role in all of this (according to yourself at any rate).
I don't defend Urban. I just don't judge him either.
Personally, I think there were some very scary people who controlled Urban, ie Edwards and others. Ask yourself how someone like Roger Glenn could have ever got involved in CMKX if it was nothing but a scam? Glenn was not simply some independent attorney such as Dvorak. Glenn worked for and still works for Edwards and Engel, which is a very prestigious law firm.
I am not the enemy my friend. I have just as many questions as you do at this point.
Andy
chrisl:
Call their office on Monday do you need the number? Ask to schedule an appointment to sit down with Kevin West and Bill Frizzell. Since you are a shareholder they will kindly oblidge you I am pretty sure of it.
Than you can sit and ask the same questions or different questions about this company and Urban and his cohorts.
Here are some points you do not seem to be addressing.
The A/S was increased 4 times and signed by Urban Casavant.
The company told the T/A to not tell shareholders or future investors what the share structure is or was.
There are no financials on this company.
Have you ever heard of a company called Diamond Quality?
Urban recieved a substantial amount of money from this company from January 2002 thru November 2002.
How about large amount of money Urban paid himself at the end of 2002 from the Corporate account and yet nobody can seem to find this money and how it got there.
How about the Mirador merge to help promote the selling of more stock cause this company was merging?
How about Urban telling shareholders .54 is coming and yes Andy there are shareholders he told that too in 2004.
How about telling Kevin West to say the interpleader was being filed but Moran never planned on filing it. Last I checked Moran was Urban's attorney.
How Urban signing over this company and no he was not drunk and nobody got him drunk to do it.
How about Carolyn Casavant paying herself a substantial amount of money from the Corporate Account and yet she is not even employed by CMKM.
How about there was a massive selling of shares 1 week before every race?
Do any of these things bother you? And if you did go to Texas and sit with them they would show you and discuss these items too.
Yet you sit on the boards and slam the attorney about 40%.
Urban was robbing shareholders right in front of them and he had help. Were you helping him Andy or are you just a turnip that Urban took advantage of?
I wait with baited breathe on your response.
Oaks:
As I have been around CMKX as a shareholder since Nov/03, I am very aware of all the race stuff with Urban saying .54 to many people and his other conversations with attending shareholders, etc etc.
I live in Canada and am not about to travel to Texas to try and visit with Kevin. Kevin knows my email address and I am very easy to reach if he wants to do so and he is very aware I have tried to contact him several times.
I will let the courts decide Urban's fate and judge him accordingly if it gets to that stage.
If you are going to rely on Kevin and team to recover any monies for you and fellow shareholders, I fear you are in for a very long wait.
Personally, if nothing happens with CMKX by the end of this year, I will be putting it permanently on the shelf. I am sure if and when anything happens I will find out about it from people who will continue to follow the saga.
Andy
chrisl:
Answer this question instead of sidestepping everything.
Why did Urban sign this company over to Kevin West and only leave the company with $558.00?
Also you seem to not have any problem with Urban, Carolyn, Ron, Wesley and all the other cohorts that have stolen money from the shareholders. Than you turn around and type if I plan on expecting anything from Kevin I will have a long wait. What has Urban done? Last I check it was Urban and his cohorts who stole $250 million plus from this company not Kevin. That is your money too and you have the nerve to say if nothing by the end of this year you will step back and just wait.
Interesting.
Answer my question at the beginning of this response instead of sidestepping it.
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chrisl:
You deserve every negative word that is written about you. You sucked people into this scam just like you did with NMCX. I hope you do become a moderator here cause than it will be fun when you suspend me for questioning you daily.
Oaks:
Grow up and accept responsibility for your own decisions. Noone ever forced you to do anything regarding the X stocks or any other stock. I believed in both of them when I invested my own money and took the risk. While I am very disappointed in the outcome of both at present, I don't sit around whining about it. I accepted the RISK the second I pushed the buy button. I am still optimistic both the X's may in fact pay off, but I have no control over either doing so and get on with life.
I accept me buying and have never ever complained about that. But what does disgust me is people like you who pumped stocks. You pumped CMKX daily on RB and when you found out it was a scam you still pumped it. Your hero or employer robbed shareholders of money and you have the nerve to say something to me.
chrisl:
You lied to the shareholders and than even question the people that are trying to fix a problem. How much is Urban paying right now to be on the boards protecting him?
Oaks:
Buddy...I am just a shareholder like you and have had no contact with Urban since April/06.
I have not seen anything personally to date to convince me that Urban himself was part of a scam. He has not been charged with anything from any regulatory bodies or legal entities. I don't see anything to evidence he is living high on the hog today. Ron Casavant still lives on the same acreage outside of Prince Albert and apparantly lives the same as he always has..nothing fancy. As for the rest of the cast of characters, ie John Edwards and others...I have no idea if they gained big and I never had any contact with anyone other than Urban 99% of the time. Noone seems to be able to find Edwards who it is said lives in China, but who really knows.
When I was posting on RB it was when I became a shareholder in Nov/03, and simply enjoyed talking about the stock and doing DD like anyone else. It was mere chance that I was approached to provide the IR in Nov/04. Was I set up? Possibly but again I don't have enough facts today to judge Urban. He paid me for the IR role and I did the best I could and even considered quitting just after the Hearing. But with Stoecklein and Mahue aboard at that time, I thought it better to hang in as I don't think Urban would have hired another IR person if I had bailed. With the average 100 phone calls I received every day, Monday to Friday, I thought it important for the shareholders to have someone to talk with. I was very surprised when Urban told me they were going to drop the appeal and request delisting. When the 8k came out everyone knew the stock was going to get delisted and everyone had that week to sell if they could for whatever they could get. Most decided to stay and based on what very little Urban told me, I was confident the formation of the Task Force and the Cert Pull would be a positive in the end and it still may well be.
As for Kevin and his people, I have not had the opportunity to speak with Kevin, so I have a very difficult time ascertaining exactly what he is trying to accomplish and why. There is no money, there are no assets..and if in fact Frizzell is entitled to upward of 40% of any monies recovered, I certainly would not be in favour of that. If any monies come to shareholders I have never thought it would flow through Kevin or Frizzell's hands to shareholders, but it remains to be seen if any monies will ever materialize. Was Urban putting together a $4 bill. deal in April/06 when I spoke with him? He said he was but I have no idea if it was true or culminated....I just hope that it did and as some posters have suggested, it will be distributed to shareholders. I consider it all rumor and personal opinion until anything becomes reality.
Like I have posted, I believe Urban got himself involved with some very bad and dangerous people. I think he wanted to fix it, but it was too big and too out of control. However, I have never believed you would have had Stoecklien and Roger Glenn involved, or Mahue for that matter if CMKX was nothing but a scam from start to finish. Simply not possible with these people around it, plus I have always questioned why the SEC allowed for 703 bill shares to be issued before they decided to step in.
I have no idea what may happen to resolve anything, but I do remain hopeful that this very complex maze of confusion will finally result in you and every shareholder getting some sort of win in the end.
I am not the bad guy in all of this, but I don't worry about it if you want to vent your frustration toward me. I understand and accept you being upset and mad as I am the same about how badly CMKX turned out. If anyone thinks I don't care about every shareholder then they simply don't know me.
As for NMCX....when Mike Sheppard came aboard it began to get all messed up. He did not control things properly and it became a disaster. The value is in ground but if you don't have decent management nothing will ever get accomplished and this is 100% the case with NMCX. If you think I am disappointed about CMKX, I am 100 times more disappointed about NMCX, after being a shareholder since late 1999. I was their number one fan for years and after visiting the milling site in May/04 was convinced it was the real deal. All Mike had to do was get the audit done like he was hired to do and the stock would have done great and the dilution would never have happened.
I am open to any respectful dialogue if you choose...I am simply not into the mud slinging waste of time stuff.
Andy
chrisl:
You sure do speak a lot of double talk Andy.
If it were not for Kevin West and Bill Frizzell your friend Urban would bankrupt this company. He lied to shareholders for years. He hid the A/S increases. Him and his cohort squandered over $250 million from this company and yet you have the nerve to still support him.
To reiterate Kevin and Bill about this 40% is something mentally wrong with you? They are working on their dime not yours. 60% of something is better than 100% of nothing and if Urban had his way that is exactly what would of happened.
Maybe you should schedule an appointment and go down to Texas and visit with the CEO of this company. Urban signed the company over to Kevin plain and simple. Maybe before you make one sided comments you should view the side from the people that here on their dime and not yours.
Oaks:
I have tried to contact Kevin numerous times but he chooses not to speak with me for whatever reason. I would love to have a candid conversation with Kevin. Nor have I ever spoken with Frizzell. Don't you find it strange that neither of them have ever contacted me because I sure do, given my supposedly sinister role in all of this (according to yourself at any rate).
I don't defend Urban. I just don't judge him either.
Personally, I think there were some very scary people who controlled Urban, ie Edwards and others. Ask yourself how someone like Roger Glenn could have ever got involved in CMKX if it was nothing but a scam? Glenn was not simply some independent attorney such as Dvorak. Glenn worked for and still works for Edwards and Engel, which is a very prestigious law firm.
I am not the enemy my friend. I have just as many questions as you do at this point.
Andy
chrisl:
Call their office on Monday do you need the number? Ask to schedule an appointment to sit down with Kevin West and Bill Frizzell. Since you are a shareholder they will kindly oblidge you I am pretty sure of it.
Than you can sit and ask the same questions or different questions about this company and Urban and his cohorts.
Here are some points you do not seem to be addressing.
The A/S was increased 4 times and signed by Urban Casavant.
The company told the T/A to not tell shareholders or future investors what the share structure is or was.
There are no financials on this company.
Have you ever heard of a company called Diamond Quality?
Urban recieved a substantial amount of money from this company from January 2002 thru November 2002.
How about large amount of money Urban paid himself at the end of 2002 from the Corporate account and yet nobody can seem to find this money and how it got there.
How about the Mirador merge to help promote the selling of more stock cause this company was merging?
How about Urban telling shareholders .54 is coming and yes Andy there are shareholders he told that too in 2004.
How about telling Kevin West to say the interpleader was being filed but Moran never planned on filing it. Last I checked Moran was Urban's attorney.
How Urban signing over this company and no he was not drunk and nobody got him drunk to do it.
How about Carolyn Casavant paying herself a substantial amount of money from the Corporate Account and yet she is not even employed by CMKM.
How about there was a massive selling of shares 1 week before every race?
Do any of these things bother you? And if you did go to Texas and sit with them they would show you and discuss these items too.
Yet you sit on the boards and slam the attorney about 40%.
Urban was robbing shareholders right in front of them and he had help. Were you helping him Andy or are you just a turnip that Urban took advantage of?
I wait with baited breathe on your response.
Oaks:
As I have been around CMKX as a shareholder since Nov/03, I am very aware of all the race stuff with Urban saying .54 to many people and his other conversations with attending shareholders, etc etc.
I live in Canada and am not about to travel to Texas to try and visit with Kevin. Kevin knows my email address and I am very easy to reach if he wants to do so and he is very aware I have tried to contact him several times.
I will let the courts decide Urban's fate and judge him accordingly if it gets to that stage.
If you are going to rely on Kevin and team to recover any monies for you and fellow shareholders, I fear you are in for a very long wait.
Personally, if nothing happens with CMKX by the end of this year, I will be putting it permanently on the shelf. I am sure if and when anything happens I will find out about it from people who will continue to follow the saga.
Andy
chrisl:
Answer this question instead of sidestepping everything.
Why did Urban sign this company over to Kevin West and only leave the company with $558.00?
Also you seem to not have any problem with Urban, Carolyn, Ron, Wesley and all the other cohorts that have stolen money from the shareholders. Than you turn around and type if I plan on expecting anything from Kevin I will have a long wait. What has Urban done? Last I check it was Urban and his cohorts who stole $250 million plus from this company not Kevin. That is your money too and you have the nerve to say if nothing by the end of this year you will step back and just wait.
Interesting.
Answer my question at the beginning of this response instead of sidestepping it.
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