THE AVERAGE CMKX SHAREHOLDER... OAKS

[imSINGLEruRICH]

Thanks to Sooner for bringing this over.....
soonerlew
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By: okanagan
30 Dec 2007, 02:35 AM EST
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THE AVERAGE CMKX SHAREHOLDER...

The AVERAGE CMKX shareholder purchased between 10 to 20 million shares for an AVERAGE investment of approximately $1500.

The AVERAGE CMKX shareholder DID NOT BET THE FARM on what was OBVIOUSLY a HIGH RISK GAMBLE.

The AVERAGE CMKX shareholder has most likely MOVED ON, especially since the stock has been DELISTED for OVER 2 years.

The AVERAGE CMKX shareholder knows that if ANYTHING happens in the FUTURE that will provide any RETURN on their SMALL INVESTMENT...they will FIND OUT.

In the MEANTIME, the AVERAGE CMKX shareholder gets on with LIFE and for the most part is THANKFUL for all the GOOD THINGS in their LIVES.

Oaks (aimho)

[hundredtoone]

I'm just a AVERAGE man I drive an AVERAGE van...my dog ain't got a pe-e-digreee...remember that song??...HA HA...

Well looks like the AVERAGE PUMPER hasn't moved on yet...or the AVERAGE BASHER...even some of us AVERAGE SHAREHOLDERS still would like to know ...WHAT HAPPENED?...was there a HUGE NS we got screwed out of ...did our money get spent in VEGAS???...was there ever any DIAMONDS in those cores???...and other questions like why do a CERT PULL???...yes the SAGA is not over till the END...even Faulk can't finish his book without an ending or he risks being only a PART of a larger BOOK...IMO...Flying Moose(cmkxunofficial)

[hundredtoone]

As the maid poured wine and we prepared to dine I know I was feeling out of place
At table as large big as a river barge and I love you written all on your face
I appreciate your hospitality but I wish that we would go
Let me drive us to McDonalds and Ill talk to you concerning something you should really know

Im just a common man drive a common van
My dog aint got a no pedigree
If I have my say, gonna stay that way
Cause high-browed people lose their sanity
And a common man is what Ill be

Ill take a Chevrolet just any day so give your daddy back his Mercedes Benz
And theres some common people that I hang out with
Theyre my good time buddies theyre my friends
And Id rather chug-a-lug a mug of Budweiser beer then sip a crystal glass of wine
So wont you make your mind up to believe in me and leave this high living world behind?

Im just a common man drive a common van
My dog aint got a no pedigree
If I have my say, gonna stay that way
Cause high-browed people lose their sanity
And a common man is what Ill be

Yes Im happy just being free
And Im happy just being me
And I hop that you will see

Im just a common man drive a common van
My dog aint got a no pedigree
If I have my say, gonna stay that way
Cause high-browed people lose their sanity
And a common man is what Ill be

Im just a common man drive a common van
My dog aint got a no pedigree
If I have my say, gonna stay that way
Cause high-browed people lose their sanity
And a common man is what Ill be


Enjoy John Conlee song Common Man (1983) lyrics in your MP3 player, as a ringtone or simply print the song lyrics to read later when you are offline. Common Man (1983) lyrics are a current representation of how life was meant to be portrayed in music lyrics. Well done, John Conlee.
www.lyricsprofessor.com/john-conlee/common-man-1983.html

...Flying Moose(cmkxunofficial)

[3bid]

I guess I've failed terribly as an average shareholder because I conform poorly to counselor Oak's definition. I feel so guilty and fairly blamed, almost to the weak point of believing and deserving it.

Will this tool ever cease to manipulate the victims? Replace the word shareholder in his list, with what we appear to be, synonymously.

I saved numerous audio clips of pompous PROmoters attrACTING and pumping the AVERAGE CMKX HIGH RISK shareholder, who has now MOVED ON in YEARS, and for the most part is hopeful they will someday FIND OUT that there is an end to this COMPLEX SMALL INVESTMENT nightmare that evades CLOSURE.


-3bid

[soonerlew]

oaks
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Re: IMO: THE AVERAGE CMKX SHAREHOLDER...
« Reply #13 on Today at 2:59pm »

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First of all, it is NEVER my intent to offend or upset anyone intentionally. However, I will admit at times I purposely put up a post to ILLICIT a strong response, because I am ALWAYS very interested in what my fellow CMKX'rs are thinking.

Now then....

The shares and the dollars I state are a MEAN AVERAGE. It takes into account the hundreds and hundreds of shareholders who purchased only 1 to 5 million shares and I know there were/are many in this category because I know 12 people right here who only purchased 1 million shares each. There is no doubt the majority of members of this forum invested considerably more money. I spoke to many shareholders during my year as IR who had invested sums far beyond what I thought was reasonable or appropriate. But, it was not for me to say how much was too much. Each to their own in the manner of financial risk they are willing to assume. Sure, let's increase the MEAN DOLLAR investment to $5000. However, that is still NOT betting the farm. Nor is this intended to in any way diminish any investment, even if it was only $100. Every investment was personal and pain of possible loss, be it small or big is NEVER enjoyable.

If my own enthusiasm and continued belief during my IR tenure, that Urban and his people were doing right by the shareholders and doing everything possible to turn CMKX around: caused shareholders to over extend themselves, well then of course it has bothered me. However, I believe every shareholder was aware of the gamble/risk and it therefore remained the individual responsibility of all shareholders to invest accordingly.

I have been involved with penny stocks for 30 years and there have been many more disappointments than happy stories. It is the nature of the market at the bottom of the game. Most invest a little in the hope of making alot. But, with EVERY stock there are investors who gamble more than they should and when they lose it is a terrible thing to witness. CMKX is only one of many I have been through over the years, both as an investor and at times an IR contact. In 2001, I provided IR for a TSX Venture listed company which ran out of money and was suspended from trading. One shareholder who had repeatedly put in more money into private placements to help keep the company alive, eventually lost $730,000 It was a gut wrenching experience for me to see EVERY shareholder lose every penny of their investment.

CMKX has been no different in watching the agony, pain, anger, etc. expressed by CMKX shareholders, both average and non. Noone likes to lose, small or big. We don't invest with the intent to lose, but we should all keep it squarely in our minds that it is a distinct possibility, even with CMKX.

Have we lost? I don't want any of you to think I have thrown in the towel. I still have my shares. I registered for the share count. I read all the Kevin updates and paperwork. Does it look particularly hopeful at this point. I must admit it does not. Were there illegalities along the way? Far be it for me to know or judge. I leave that to the SEC, DOJ, CIA, FBI, etc. etc. and so far none of these agencies have presented public evidence of any intent or attempts to go after any of the insiders.

As I stated previously, I have not had any contact with Urban since April/2006. That disappoints me considerably. Did the $4 billion deal he spoke of come together? I have no idea and I can only hope it did. Is there a grand plan to still be rolled out for the ultimate benefit and return of CMKX shareholders? I can only hope with ALL OF YOU that there is and it WILL HAPPEN as I believed in the past per my discussions with Urban.

My best wishes to every CMKX'r during 2008 !

Oaks (aimho)


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[falcman1]

is he bipolar or what?
if youre neutral stay that way?
you cant "flip flop".

[soonerlew]

oaks
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Re: IMO: THE AVERAGE CMKX SHAREHOLDER...
« Reply #22 on Today at 1:59pm »

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I very much doubt any regulatory or legal entities are remotely interested in me, nor have I to date been contacted by anyone connected to these agencies.

I was an independent consultant.

I live in Canada and consulted for a non-reporting Pink Sheet quote company.

I had no inside knowledge.

I never met Urban or any of the other CMKX insiders.

I was compensated in cash only.

I never received any CMKX shares in way of compensation.

My official IR role ended immediately upon delisting.

I remain just a shareholder.

Oaks (aimho)


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[pjstevenson]

sooner,
i, for one, would like to thank you for sharing and thank you for your honesty!
I too remain optomistic.
Good luck to us all in the New Year!
Cheers!

[imSINGLEruRICH]

Posted this over at the Clubhouse..... they're gonna beat me up over this post.....lol lol...BUT.... it is my opinion........


wow... you guys are relentless.

Did it ever cross your mind that just maybe Andy was only a messenger and he actually believed what UC was telling him ? Is he the only person that passed on information to the shareholders, received from UC & others ?

Some ask of Andy,
"did you ever think that
you should verify the info that you were passing out?"

Below are a few paragraphs from another thread discussing the same topic

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go2guy to Andy ....2nd & 3rd paragraph
"Now come on....you took over the IR position for this company and didn't do your DD on who controlled this company and was calling the shots??...You didn't question Mr. Casavant or verify any of the "facts" he was dishing out to you??? You, the master of information, did nothing but parrot what you were told? I find that incredibly hard to fathom..."

So, in essence you are telling us that you have no clue as to what the facts are..That you never decided to look into what was being shovelled at you to recite to shareholders..That you never were concerned about your integrity...That the words you used and the documents you helped to release to the public were never verified by you...the Investor Relations Professional?

imSINGLEruRICH
Go2Guy
couldn't the same questions, you pose to Andy, regarding his accepting the IR position also apply to KW & BF? Bill accepting the position on the Task Force & Kevin accepting the CEO position? If I remember correctly, they too put out some important claims of information to the shareholders and also thanked UC right up to the boxes being delivered.
Just wondering??


go2guy
imSINGLE....I do like a smart lady! You must take the post in its entirety and not just cherry pick.
Very clever..Did you read the last few lines of my post?


imSINGLEruRICH
Yes, I did read your entire post. There was no cherry picking .
The 1st & last paragraph in which you questioned Andy on his involvement & his stance at the present raised no questions to me. I like everyone else was interested & awaiting his answer. . Questions deserve answers.

But.... the 2nd & 3rd paragraphs , which addressed strictly before the fact raised the question that I posed to you. My belief is that these questions could also apply to Bill & Kevin. This is just my opinion.

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Seems to me Andy would be one of the lowest on the totem pole. IMO... there are many who were higher ranked, closer to the inside, yet at that time, they too related important info to the shareholders that now seems to be unverified or hearsay?

We all believed at one time. The info came from many different sources. From Maheu, Glenn, Frizzell, West ...right .down to Andy, Melvin & others.

Seems to me there are a lot more People than Andy who have some explaining to do. Did ANYONE VERIFY the info they put out at that time?

Logic would have.... that the low man on the totem pole would not have access to the same info or the same access for verification that the higher ranked would have.

Just my opinion....... and I am very sure not a very popular one.. be gentle .....lol lol

Single

[soonerlew]

go2guy
Due Diligence Analyst


Andy knew!!!
« Thread Started on Today at 10:23am »

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Oaks stated...

"When I asked Urban (during 2005) about the letters of opinion making the shares free trading, he simply said it was for work or investment in CMKX longer than 2 years previous"


So Andy asked Urban in 2005 ........... About free trading shares!

So Andy knew all along about this "owed money for 2 years" fraud and Andy never once brought up such information to his fellow CMKX Shareholders!

Does anyone else find it odd that throughout the past years Andy never mentioned this information until now?

Andy always knew about Urban's reason for freeing up shares and he never once mentioned this to his fellow CMKX shareholders.

I find that dispicable...and premeditated.

You were paid in cash, huh? I hope you reported it.


Canada Revenue Agency - Special enforcement audits
The mandate of the Special Enforcement Program is to conduct audits and undertake other civil enforcement actions on individuals known or suspected of deriving income from illegal activities.

How to start an Investigation
www.cra-arc.gc.ca/agency/investigations/tell_us-e.html

Fact Sheet: Proceeds of Crime Are Taxable
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How to reach them
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[3bid]

Andy Post - Tues. 02-21-06
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from 1millionaire board today, from oaks
(Andy). Link below. Sugarpaw

oaks
I have never left the HILL...I am still on it
looking at the horizon regarding CMKX and the
efforts of the Task Force. I just do it fairly
quietly now as I get on with other things.

I never supported the ludicrous rumors the
entire year I provided IR and I don't support the
ludicrous BIG MONEY rumors now. Ron Casavant spoke
to Granny the other day, and told her EXACTLY the
same thing Ron has told me and Urban told me....the
BIG MONEY rumors are purely driven by shareholders
messing with other shareholders and has ZERO to do
with Urban, Ron, or the Task Force. I continue to
believe there will be a LITTLE money for
shareholders and I believe this has also been echoed
by John Martin of the Owner's Group fairly recently.


I find it ASTOUNDING and I don't believe it is
representative of the MAJORITY of shareholders that
YOU would not find a .005 per share cash payout or
distribution FANTASTIC! Some examples based on an in
cost of .0001 which is what MOST shareholders paid
when they bought CMKX::::

10 mill shares = $1000. cost = $50,000. gross
profit

20 mill shares = $2000. cost = $100,000. gross
profit

50 mill shares = $5000. cost = $ 250,000.
gross profit

100 mill shares = $10,000. cost = $500,000.
gross profit

500 mill shares = $50,000. cost = $2.5 mill.
gross profit

1 bill shares = $100,000. cost = $5 mill.
gross profit

I know for a fact that this kind of money to
the average every day shareholder I spoke with daily
last year, who just wanted to better his/her life
would be dancing a jig on the top of the hill if
they received this amount of money. From the current
count on the Task Force site it indicates the
average shareholder has about 23 million shares
which would provide that shareholder $115,000 profit
before in cost. If a cheque for that amount was
dropped in your lap today I am sure it would CHANGE
YOUR LIFE considerably. Would you send it back and
say it is not enough..I demand more? None of you
would turn it down and most of you would consider
Urban Casavant to be your LIFE hero. If by chance
you got more than .005 (PURELY A REASONABLE GUESS ON
MY PART) then you would dance the jig on the hill
with even more joy and if it was only .001 most of
you would still be VERY HAPPY.

I was NOT FIRED...my IR role simply came to an
end. I was informed by Mr. Casavant on Oct. 22nd the
company was not going to fight the SEC on the
revocation any longer and on Oct. 24th the 8k was
made public. Upon the effective revocation date my
role as IR ended as I fully expected it would. There
were legal considerations attached to this decision
and the fact Urban was also stepping down from any
daily responsibilities and passing this to the Task
Force. I have absolutely no problem with Mr.
Casavant. He paid me to the penny what I was owed to
the end of October and I was on my way, remaining as
I am today a supportive shareholder.

You know my real name. I don't hide behind
some hidden alias like the majority of the BIG MONEY
rumor speculators do, while you have no idea who
they really are. I get calls daily from a number of
CMKX'rs who keep in touch with me. I welcome any and
all calls and my number is on my website:

www.investorhorizons.com

Say what you will about how I did the IR last
year. However, I manned the phone every day during
trading hours and took call after call every day.
More than I can say for some public companies who
NEVER answer the phone. The majority of shareholders
I spoke with last year were all awesome people and I
sincerely appreciated their support of my efforts,
as I continue to appreciate the support expressed on
this forum.

I am still here every day during trading
hours, watching the markets and consulting for
companies. If you call, I will answer, but yes you
will have to pay for the call now...LOL

My best wishes to each and everyone of you as
we continue to wait on the efforts of the Task
Force.

Oaks (aimho)


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[soonerlew]

You know folks.....
« Thread Started on Today at 9:44pm »

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I could have disappeared with the delisting and never been heard from or seen posting again. It was certainly an option I considered. However, as I am still a shareholder hoping for a positive outcome to this somehow, I decided to stick around...

AS A SHAREHOLDER, who cares about all CMKX'rs.

I thought it would be a real cop-out to simply fade away. I am pretty thick skinned and none of the negativity thrown my way ever bothers me. I accept that people need to vent.

While some may not be happy with the message I brought forth as the IR, I can honestly say, I thought CMKX would turn out different. I was SHOCKED when Urban phoned me that Saturday morning before the Monday 8k was released and told me about the Task Force formation, the decision to drop the appeal, and allow the delisting. However, I did not think it was over as of April/06 when I last spoke to Urban, and I still don't, although the documentation to date does not paint a brilliant picture. I do not personally expect shareholders will ever hear from Urban, since he no longer has any official role with CMKX. If in fact Kevin West is all we have, then I wish him well in his fight/quest to revive CMKX.

Some of you might be surprised to know I am NOT a big CMKX shareholder. I am very AVERAGE in that respect. Why? Because it was HIGH RISK. However, I deemed I had ENOUGH if CMKX came through as we all hoped, ie a .54 rumor actually coming true. I also purchased ALL my shares prior to becoming the IR so there would be no inherent conflict. I have never sold one share.

I probably won't post alot this year. But, I will be around, watching, listening and HOPING.

I am always available via PM and I will jump in if I see something I think I can contribute a point of view.

My best wishes to all my fellow shareholders. Cheers.

Oaks (aimho)


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[soonerlew]

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[ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Andy knew!!!
« Reply #3 on Yesterday at 5:15pm »

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This is the Investor Relations PROFESSIONAL's actual post


Dec 29, 2007, 8:32pm, oaks wrote:Well, if CMKX was merely a method for the insiders to live at the casinos, etc. for a couple of years and then it was all over, then the LOGIC of it escapes me.

Whether they did or not, I have no idea as it is merely conjecture.

Nor do the trading records specifically implicate or make any of the insiders guilty of anything.

When I asked Urban (during 2005) about the letters of opinion making the shares free trading, he simply said it was for work or investment in CMKX longer than 2 years previous and those people were entitled to get paid or compensated accordingly. The explanation at the time was satisfactory to me and I saw nothing wrong with the recipients selling their shares if they so chose.

Oaks (aimho)




Clearly Andy knew of the dillution and insider dealing way back then and decided to keep on pumping. Give us that Foggy Forest line again Andy! He's trying to distance himself from all of this, but he's right in the thick of it. He could have had integrity and walked away at any time...instead he hung in there and continued to feed the false hopes to people. He knew before revocation and kept it up...In to Win...Get your depends...$4 Billion deal...
Now he wants to play stupid...Now he wants us to think he was lost in the Foggy Forest...Nice try, Andy.

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oaks
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Re: Andy knew!!!
« Reply #4 on Today at 9:48pm »

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I did not question it because there were Letters of Opinion from the lawyers to back it up. Nor, did I learn of the 703 bill o/s until it as divluged to EVERY shareholder via the SEC filing. For me to receive it sooner would have made me privy to INSIDER INFO and that is something I never had or wanted per my agreement with Urban when I accepted the IR role.

Oaks

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