Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jan 6, 2008 15:01:48 GMT -5
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Ric spoke of Credibility issue with Frizzel
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The below post bothers me in several areas which I will outline\\
By: imsoweary
05 Jan 2008, 10:37 AM EST
Msg. 640925 of 641355
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gusjarvis, having talked to Frizzell the other day, I do not believe he knew as much as you think he might of and his opportunity to do any real DD from the inside was very limited.
Bill now thinks that the cert pull was nothing more than a delaying tactic and despite assurances from Urban that an interpleader would be filed, one never was. As such, even Kevin's efforts on the interpleader were nothing more than a tactic to keep him busy and out of the way while also keeping tabs on him. Keep your friends close but your enemies even closer.
With those two out of the way, they could operate freely out of plain sight. Who is they? At least Urban of course but he isn't sure of the others. We know Edwards was involved up to his neck as well as several others. Some brokers were probably involved as well and there is evidence that several people on the boards were indeed plants, paid to pump the company and most of all, Urban and his "love" for the shareholders.
Supposedly, we will be very surprised when we learn who some of these people are. Some will be no surprise at all. Even so, it will go far easier on those who come forward now and contact Bill themselves and admit their involvement rather than wait for a subpoena to arrive while hoping one never does. Some of these people no one would have ever guessed.
There will be a lot more people added to the Does and Roes before this is over. Frizz doesn't think Mahue was involved but may have been used, just as the judge suspected. Frizz and Mahue still talk from time to time and have a good relationship. It should have been evident to all of us that when Mahue stepped down as co-chairman but stayed on for the cert pull, that he was no longer there for Urban at that point and was only trying to do what he could for the shareholders.
There is evidence of Don working for people involved in prior scams but it is hard to say if he was party to the scams or just doing what lawyers do, protecting their clients, whether innocent or guilty. It is interesting to note though that once the cert pull was complete, Don and Mahue both left the picture and Urban then hired Moran, a criminal lawyer, not a securities lawyer, to represent him. It should have been obvious to all at that point that Don was not going to be helping Urban anymore and in fact their relationship had started to seriously deteriorate when Don refused to give up the Entourage cert because Urban had not paid him for his fees.
Perhaps Don and Mahue both realized what was going on early on and did what they could for the shareholders and then left before they could get dragged deeper into the mess. The reason neither of them have said anything since then could well be to protect their reputations as they would have to admit to being duped by a former prison guard and his cronies.
Additionally, they were both being assured by Urban that the required data was being provided to the accounts as was requested, when in fact this was not the case. Urban was lying to both of them on this issue and this became obvious in court when Mahue, who believed it was being provided, learned that it in fact was not. Remember, even Don's own hand picked accountant ending up quitting just days before the hearing because of evidence he uncovered indicating criminal fraud was being committed and by law, he was required to cease working for the company and report the information to the SEC.
There were some very intelligent criminals involved with CMKX. Edwards is one well known example and he and his wife both have been the ring leaders of numerous con jobs. These people are professional criminals who make a plan and then work that plan. It would not be possible for them to carry out this huge of an operation without Urban knowing and being a party to it. Each step was carefully orchestrated with just enough hints placed out there to lead people off into the wrong direction, should they get suspicious and start looking deeper.
\\\""gusjarvis, having talked to Frizzell the other day, I do not believe he knew as much as you think he might of and his opportunity to do any real DD from the inside was very limited//
This statement bothers me because both he and Kevin worked closrly with Urban according tp prior statement by both. I suppose one could suggest the were still under the influence of Kool-Aid.
/////According to Frizz, in retrospect, the only reason he was asked to join the task force was to keep him busy and out of the way while at the same time keeping him close enough so they could keep tabs on him. In addition, the shareholders trusted Frizz and if he was made to look like a trusted participant with the company, it would allay shareholder fears and keep them quiet and at bay for the duration. It was an opportunity Urban would use greatly to his advantage. ////
The above statement was verified by Frizzel himself in a Q7A update, not so much that statement but the below will clarify that as being the case
?////Bill now thinks that the cert pull was nothing more than a delaying tactic and despite assurances from Urban that an interpleader would be filed, one never was. As such, even Kevin's efforts on the interpleader were nothing more than a tactic to keep him busy and out of the way while also keeping tabs on him.///
The above clarifies both above mentioned statements. I find it sad that Frizzel took two years to figure out he had been conned again. These statements do not say much for his perception.
////There will be a lot more people added to the Does and Roes before this is over////
Again the roes and does are mentioned, it has been 10 Months and we have seen no roes and does added. It has been stated many are co-operating with Frizzel. By his past history are the co-operating or playing him again ?
//// Frizz told me that he was not privy to any insider information while on the task force and for other than task force issues, was kept out of all other aspects of the business. Same with Kevin. Even good lawyers can have the wool pulled over their eyes on occasion when an intentional effort is being made to do so. ///
This Statement implies they wasted 2 years because they trusted Urban to do the right thing. I bet in Hindsight that thought has been reconsidered
////There were some very intelligent criminals involved with CMKX. Edwards is one well known example and he and his wife both have been the ring leaders of numerous con jobs. These people are professional criminals who make a plan and then work that plan.////
The statement above just reinforces my Opinion, Frizzel Is a Dollar short and 2 years to late. Along with the plan mentioned above , schemes were devised to hide assets, destroy key documentation, and Force Bill into a tough situation to prove his allegations.
I have my doubts one so easilt fooled can accomplish the Feat he has undertaken playing with Players that obviously know the Game much better than He does.
This is not a slam on Frizzel, more so Just stating he is outmatched and outgunned.
Show Me some Roes and Does Mr Frizzel. Or is Money so lacking you can not afford the costs for inclusion and attempted service issues again ?
Super Sleuth
Ric spoke of Credibility issue with Frizzel
« Thread Started on Today at 9:46am »
The below post bothers me in several areas which I will outline\\
By: imsoweary
05 Jan 2008, 10:37 AM EST
Msg. 640925 of 641355
(This msg. is a reply to 640772 by gusjarvis.)
Jump to msg. #
gusjarvis, having talked to Frizzell the other day, I do not believe he knew as much as you think he might of and his opportunity to do any real DD from the inside was very limited.
Bill now thinks that the cert pull was nothing more than a delaying tactic and despite assurances from Urban that an interpleader would be filed, one never was. As such, even Kevin's efforts on the interpleader were nothing more than a tactic to keep him busy and out of the way while also keeping tabs on him. Keep your friends close but your enemies even closer.
With those two out of the way, they could operate freely out of plain sight. Who is they? At least Urban of course but he isn't sure of the others. We know Edwards was involved up to his neck as well as several others. Some brokers were probably involved as well and there is evidence that several people on the boards were indeed plants, paid to pump the company and most of all, Urban and his "love" for the shareholders.
Supposedly, we will be very surprised when we learn who some of these people are. Some will be no surprise at all. Even so, it will go far easier on those who come forward now and contact Bill themselves and admit their involvement rather than wait for a subpoena to arrive while hoping one never does. Some of these people no one would have ever guessed.
There will be a lot more people added to the Does and Roes before this is over. Frizz doesn't think Mahue was involved but may have been used, just as the judge suspected. Frizz and Mahue still talk from time to time and have a good relationship. It should have been evident to all of us that when Mahue stepped down as co-chairman but stayed on for the cert pull, that he was no longer there for Urban at that point and was only trying to do what he could for the shareholders.
There is evidence of Don working for people involved in prior scams but it is hard to say if he was party to the scams or just doing what lawyers do, protecting their clients, whether innocent or guilty. It is interesting to note though that once the cert pull was complete, Don and Mahue both left the picture and Urban then hired Moran, a criminal lawyer, not a securities lawyer, to represent him. It should have been obvious to all at that point that Don was not going to be helping Urban anymore and in fact their relationship had started to seriously deteriorate when Don refused to give up the Entourage cert because Urban had not paid him for his fees.
Perhaps Don and Mahue both realized what was going on early on and did what they could for the shareholders and then left before they could get dragged deeper into the mess. The reason neither of them have said anything since then could well be to protect their reputations as they would have to admit to being duped by a former prison guard and his cronies.
Additionally, they were both being assured by Urban that the required data was being provided to the accounts as was requested, when in fact this was not the case. Urban was lying to both of them on this issue and this became obvious in court when Mahue, who believed it was being provided, learned that it in fact was not. Remember, even Don's own hand picked accountant ending up quitting just days before the hearing because of evidence he uncovered indicating criminal fraud was being committed and by law, he was required to cease working for the company and report the information to the SEC.
There were some very intelligent criminals involved with CMKX. Edwards is one well known example and he and his wife both have been the ring leaders of numerous con jobs. These people are professional criminals who make a plan and then work that plan. It would not be possible for them to carry out this huge of an operation without Urban knowing and being a party to it. Each step was carefully orchestrated with just enough hints placed out there to lead people off into the wrong direction, should they get suspicious and start looking deeper.
\\\""gusjarvis, having talked to Frizzell the other day, I do not believe he knew as much as you think he might of and his opportunity to do any real DD from the inside was very limited//
This statement bothers me because both he and Kevin worked closrly with Urban according tp prior statement by both. I suppose one could suggest the were still under the influence of Kool-Aid.
/////According to Frizz, in retrospect, the only reason he was asked to join the task force was to keep him busy and out of the way while at the same time keeping him close enough so they could keep tabs on him. In addition, the shareholders trusted Frizz and if he was made to look like a trusted participant with the company, it would allay shareholder fears and keep them quiet and at bay for the duration. It was an opportunity Urban would use greatly to his advantage. ////
The above statement was verified by Frizzel himself in a Q7A update, not so much that statement but the below will clarify that as being the case
?////Bill now thinks that the cert pull was nothing more than a delaying tactic and despite assurances from Urban that an interpleader would be filed, one never was. As such, even Kevin's efforts on the interpleader were nothing more than a tactic to keep him busy and out of the way while also keeping tabs on him.///
The above clarifies both above mentioned statements. I find it sad that Frizzel took two years to figure out he had been conned again. These statements do not say much for his perception.
////There will be a lot more people added to the Does and Roes before this is over////
Again the roes and does are mentioned, it has been 10 Months and we have seen no roes and does added. It has been stated many are co-operating with Frizzel. By his past history are the co-operating or playing him again ?
//// Frizz told me that he was not privy to any insider information while on the task force and for other than task force issues, was kept out of all other aspects of the business. Same with Kevin. Even good lawyers can have the wool pulled over their eyes on occasion when an intentional effort is being made to do so. ///
This Statement implies they wasted 2 years because they trusted Urban to do the right thing. I bet in Hindsight that thought has been reconsidered
////There were some very intelligent criminals involved with CMKX. Edwards is one well known example and he and his wife both have been the ring leaders of numerous con jobs. These people are professional criminals who make a plan and then work that plan.////
The statement above just reinforces my Opinion, Frizzel Is a Dollar short and 2 years to late. Along with the plan mentioned above , schemes were devised to hide assets, destroy key documentation, and Force Bill into a tough situation to prove his allegations.
I have my doubts one so easilt fooled can accomplish the Feat he has undertaken playing with Players that obviously know the Game much better than He does.
This is not a slam on Frizzel, more so Just stating he is outmatched and outgunned.
Show Me some Roes and Does Mr Frizzel. Or is Money so lacking you can not afford the costs for inclusion and attempted service issues again ?
