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Post by JoeRockss on Nov 12, 2007 17:56:26 GMT -5
soonerlew Diamond Wiz (Moderator)
Thanks snifferpup!!!!
Ambassador upadate at 10:00 pm Sunday, November 11, 2007...
UPDATE POSTED 10.00PM SUNDAY 11TH NOVEMBER:
In addition to the waves of arrests of bankers and other financial sector employees mentioned to date, we now understand that the Provost Marshal General's now very large criminal investigation team has a list of about 4,000 individuals and parties suspected of involvement in financial frauds, who are being questioned and subjected to military-style investigations across the United States.
Morgan Stanley, which conspired with Citibank to create a fictitious account with a name close to that of AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc., is being investigated by the SEC. Its violations of SEC securities regulations are of the gravest possible nature and will have unpleasant consequences for this institution. The conspiracy between Citibank, Morgan Stanley and the third institution (known to the Editor, but which cannot be named yet) to divert Wanta's $4.5 trillion funds, is the most scandalous development (aside from the stealing of HM The Queen's gold and the theft of $47 trillion, both of which have been recovered, along with Mr Wanta's $4.5 trillion) recorded to date. The institutions concerned took a hell of a risk, and got caught. As you can imagine, this development has placed Ambassador Wanta in an impregnable position, the outcome of which will cause astonishment when we are authorised to publish the facts of what has been going on, and details of the consequent collapse of an intricate, layered, convoluted model of corruption designed by George Bush Sr. and Dr Alan Greenspan, which they had believed was so impregnable that they could never, ever be exposed. It is also to be understood that they never intended to honour ANY of their obligations.
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Post by JoeRockss on Nov 12, 2007 17:56:57 GMT -5
soonerlew Diamond Wiz (Moderator) By: gr8hiker 12 Nov 2007, 08:42 AM EST Msg. 623412 of 623414 Jump to msg. # Bye Bye E-trade: This is HUGE biz.yahoo.com/ap/071112/e_trade_ahead_of_the_bell.html?.v=1Ahead of the Bell: E-Trade Downgraded Monday November 12, 9:24 am ET Citi Analyst Downgrades E-Trade to 'Sell,' Says Bankruptcy a Possibility, Shares Sink NEW YORK (AP) -- A Citi analyst downgraded shares of E-Trade Financial Corp. on Monday after the online brokerage said late Friday the value of its holdings of securities backed by home mortgages has fallen significantly and will lead to bigger-than-expected write-downs in the fourth quarter. ADVERTISEMENT E-Trade said its $3 billion portfolio of asset-backed securities includes about $450 million worth of collateralized debt obligations and second-lien securities. The company did not predict how big its losses will be and withdrew its earnings guidance. Also, E-Trade said the Securities and Exchange Commission opened an informal inquiry related to issues with E-Trade's loan and securities portfolios. Citi Investment Research analyst Prashant A. Bhatia cut his rating on the stock to "Sell" from "Hold" and lowered his price target to $7.50 from $13. E-Trade shares fell $2.59, or 30 percent, to $6 in premarket trading Monday. Bhatia said there's a 15 percent chance that E-Trade will declare bankruptcy and said management may be forced to sell loans and securities at significant discounts. "The continued negative news flow about charges resulting from its mortgage and CDO exposure, an SEC inquiry, and continued deterioration in its financial condition, all increase the likelihood of significant client attrition," Bhatia wrote in a client note. CDOs combine slices of different kind of risk and are often backed partly by subprime mortgages, or loans given to customers with poor credit history. Bhatia said some of E-Trade's competitors have fared better and questioned E-Trade's leadership and how management is steering the company through its troubles. "That peers have virtually entirely avoided the credit crisis, again highlights the flawed strategy and lack of credible risk management by E-Trade's senior executives and the board of directors," Bhatia wrote in a client note. Bhatia said E-Trade may now have trouble keeping employees, noting that the company has seen an 8 percent reduction in its work force over the past two quarters. "The incentive for employees with options to remain at the firm may now be significantly lower," Bhatia wrote. By: ezaltheladiespa 12 Nov 2007, 09:15 AM EST Msg. 623417 of 623501 (This msg. is a reply to 623412 by gr8hiker.) Jump to msg. # NevWest President Sergey Rumyantsev said today that “in our perception, we believe that we have fail-safes inn effect that go far above and beyond the industry standards. We feel completely wronged in this particular case.” Rumyantsev also questioned the NASD’s action against their company, saying that “we were singled out, why were we the only one charged when hundreds of billions of shares were sold by other brokers?” Another source close to the story echoed Rumyantsev’s sentiments, citing the serious problems with other major brokerage firms, including Ameritrade and Etrade, and the long and drawn out process of trying to issue stock certificates to bonafide shareholders, many of whom have still not received stock certificates over a year after the company initiated a cert pull in an attempt to determine if there were more shares sold than actually existed. This source asked whether the other offending brokers had filed Suspicious Trading Reports in relation to the well-over a trillion shares that many people claim were fraudulently sold to unsuspecting shareholders. In the meantime, many questions remain in the CMKX saga. Why has it taken so long for regulatory agencies to take action against those who defrauded over 50,000 shareholders, and why hasn’t the SEC taken >any action whatsoever? It was reported last week in a court document involving John Edward’s wife Diana Lee Flaherty’s own stack fraud trial that Edwards himself is still under investigation for stock fraud, and there are unconfirmed reports of a major sting operation targeting dozens of others involved in the CMKX scandal. In the broader sense, the shear scope of this scam, and the reported massive selling of counterfeit stock into the market that accompanied it, raises serious questions as to the system of checks and balances that protects our stock market. This reporter is certain that this is only the beginning, and that ultimately, many more people will be brought to justice in this case. Let’s just hope that the investigations don’t stop there, and that the major brokers are held responsible for their part in this financial train wreck, and that the SEC itself is made to answer for their ineptitude and failure to “protect investors and maintain the integrity of the securities market.” ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=623417
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Post by JoeRockss on Nov 12, 2007 17:57:19 GMT -5
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Post by JoeRockss on Nov 12, 2007 17:57:52 GMT -5
soonerlew Diamond Wiz (Moderator) Anyone remember where this came from??? By: starbase70 12 Nov 2007, 09:44 AM EST Msg. 623427 of 623501 Jump to msg. # Interesting they would use the word "STING" "and there are unconfirmed reports of a major sting operation targeting dozens of others involved in the CMKX scandal" ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=623427I didn't find anything leading up to this....
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Post by JoeRockss on Nov 12, 2007 17:58:21 GMT -5
soonerlew Diamond Wiz (Moderator) By: ezaltheladiespa 12 Nov 2007, 10:30 AM EST Msg. 623446 of 623501 (This msg. is a reply to 623442 by oil.ipo.) Jump to msg. # OIL IPO this is where I found it: www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/Commentary/1065.html NASD Charges NevWest in CMKX Saga...Justice at Last? By Mark Faulk Sept. 26, 2006 In a saga that many thought was dead-on-arrival, the NASD today filed charges against NevWest Securities Corporation of Las Vegas, and company President Sergey Rumyantsev and Vice President Antony M. Santos. In charging the company and its officers with violating NASD's Anti-Money Laundering Rule, they stated that “between January 1, 2003, and May 31, 2005, NevWest failed to file Suspicious Activity Reports (‘SAR’), or cease trading in multiple accounts owned and controlled by JE, NevWest’s customer, regarding over 500 transactions, invo9lving over 250 billion shares of sub-penny stock issued by CMKM Diamonds Inc. (‘CMKX’) totaling over $53 million. In the 28-page complaint, the NASD also charged NevWest with failing to “adequately perform due diligence, file SARs, or cease affecting wire transfers involving $43 million through 139 separate wires from at least 28 of the accounts JE had opened at NevWest to various bank accounts.” It was the first charges brought in a story that began in late 2002 (or even earlier including the earlier incarnation of CMKM Diamonds), and might have come to an end on October 28, 2005, when Administrative Law Judge Brenda Murray officially revoked CMKM’s (commonly referred to by its trading symbol CMKX) reporting status, after the company withdrew its appeal of Judge Murray’s initial ruling against the company for failure to file required financial reports with the SEC. However, this was one company that simply refused to die. Bolstered by over 50,000 shareholders and an advocacy group begun by CMKX shareholder John Martin and represented by attorney Bill Frizzell, the CMKX Owners Group worked their way into the SEC hearings, and continued to press for action against the various people involved in what they perceived as a massive fraud extending into every corner of the financial market process, including not only numerous individuals who took advantage of a system rife with loopholes and poorly enforced SEC regulations, but implicating nearly every major brokerage firm in the U.S. and Canada. In fact, in a letter to then CMKX attorney Donald Stoecklein over a year ago, Owners Group attorney Bill Frizzell called for the company to take legal action against several of the people who he named as being involved in the scheme to defraud tens of thousands of CMKX shareholders, with John Michael Edwards, or “JE,” at the top of the list. He specifically cited the 36 NevWest trust accounts, along with another 20 additional companies that have addresses in Langley, B.C., and owned and controlled by Edwards. In addition to Edwards and NevWest, Frizzell named company auditor Neil Levine (who was brought into CMKX by Edwards), CFO David DeSormeau, “consultant” James Kinney, secretary Ginger Guitierrez, and attorney Brian Dvorak as individuals who were involved in the problems with CMKX. NevWest President Sergey Rumyantsev said today that “in our perception, we believe that we have fail-safes inn effect that go far above and beyond the industry standards. We feel completely wronged in this particular case.” Rumyantsev also questioned the NASD’s action against their company, saying that “we were singled out, why were we the only one charged when hundreds of billions of shares were sold by other brokers?” Another source close to the story echoed Rumyantsev’s sentiments, citing the serious problems with other major brokerage firms, including Ameritrade and Etrade, and the long and drawn out process of trying to issue stock certificates to bonafide shareholders, many of whom have still not received stock certificates over a year after the company initiated a cert pull in an attempt to determine if there were more shares sold than actually existed. This source asked whether the other offending brokers had filed Suspicious Trading Reports in relation to the well-over a trillion shares that many people claim were fraudulently sold to unsuspecting shareholders. In the meantime, many questions remain in the CMKX saga. Why has it taken so long for regulatory agencies to take action against those who defrauded over 50,000 shareholders, and why hasn’t the SEC taken >any action whatsoever? It was reported last week in a court document involving John Edward’s wife Diana Lee Flaherty’s own stack fraud trial that Edwards himself is still under investigation for stock fraud, and there are unconfirmed reports of a major sting operation targeting dozens of others involved in the CMKX scandal. In the broader sense, the shear scope of this scam, and the reported massive selling of counterfeit stock into the market that accompanied it, raises serious questions as to the system of checks and balances that protects our stock market. This reporter is certain that this is only the beginning, and that ultimately, many more people will be brought to justice in this case. Let’s just hope that the investigations don’t stop there, and that the major brokers are held responsible for their part in this financial train wreck, and that the SEC itself is made to answer for their ineptitude and failure to “protect investors and maintain the integrity of the securities market.” To read the NASD complaint filed against NevWest, go to: cmkxownersgroup.com/NevWest%20Complaint.pdf This article is also posted on Mark Faulk’s blog at The Sanity Check, along with an excellent comment section, at: www.thesanitycheck.com/Blogs/MarkFaulksBlog/tabid/86/Default.aspx Add your name to our mailing list on our homepage, and we'll update you on developments in the Stockgate scandal. Current time is 02:56 pm ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=623446
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 12, 2007 18:33:54 GMT -5
Thanks bikinipro.............
gusjarvis King of Diamonds *****
take this to the bank, etrade settled their shorts some how some way! remember the federal reserve just loaned money to fix this mess and it was done in 2006 and earlier or at least a significant portion by the sec's own words. They also settled cmkx's shorts imo!
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 12, 2007 18:38:11 GMT -5
By: gusjarvis 12 Nov 2007, 06:26 PM EST Msg. 623545 of 623545 (This msg. is a reply to 623540 by 07isback.) Jump to msg. # so 07 that tells quite the story and it is just nevwest right, now there were many other huge shorters including obviously etrade and ameritrade and others. So since they were all massively trading cmkx stock well before the share raises it proves that the share raises weren't dumped to us or the ticker would be well over what it ended up at, it would be over a trillion for sure. Now I don't quite understand that nevwest was caught selling 250 billion shares, I presume short, but what about the 300 billion je was handed with the share raises? If they were caught selling 250 billion shares from jan 2003 it makes no sense does it to where the 300 billion shares went, they sure as helll didn't sell them after the share raises did they (if they sold or dumped any of those to us retail it would have only been a few billion not 300 bilion)! JE was not an issue when the share raises happened at all, he was a non-issue in fact and continues to be to this day. He was gone before the raises happened really but used as part of the plan. Funny hey the only one left standing from the original crew was urban, wonder why? ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=623545
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 12, 2007 22:25:45 GMT -5
By: 07isback 12 Nov 2007, 09:18 PM EST Msg. 623577 of 623592 Jump to msg. # this is an excellent post, and deserves to be reposted} By: amos8111 01 Jan 2007, 04:30 PM EST Msg. 462562 of 623576 (This msg. is a reply to 462207 by TonyToX.) Jump to msg. # TonyTox "a lot people are floundering given this latest information and turn of events"
The sole reason people are floundering is that refuse to give up a false dream.
It is now apparent that the dream was a creation of confidence men/conmen that used orchestrated phony stock deals, worthless dividends, and false promises to sell 700 billion shares of worthless stock to unsuspecting investors. .
They cleverly used ESPN’s coverage of their drag race team’s funny car to create the illusion of validity. If you will remember every sticker on the CMKX cars (Lucas Oil, Citi Group, Smith Barney just to name a few) was reason enough for shareholders to believe that those companies were associated with CMKX and we now know that wasn’t the case.
Make no mistake about it, those who created this scam were not amateurs but well tuned professional scammers with a great deal of experience and knowledge in all facets, including promotion, penny stock market rules and regulations as they clearly used the Naked Short issue to their advantage, the legal aspects of the actions they took, the use of Internet message boards and imo the scam included very powerful people who wheeled a great deal of influence with government officials in the Great State of Nevada.
What the scammers didn’t count on was the fact that once the dream was put together it was not going to easily die and they could not just walk away without facing the wrath of the monster they themselves had created. We are now seeing plan B which is the long drawn out process of first the cert pull then the Interplead and who knows what’s next.
Once you stop and realize that quite possibly over $200 million was raised just with CMKX’s share dump then you add in the GEMM run up to .16, the UCAD run to $18, and the SGGM run to .75 cents it isn’t hard to see that this was a possibly $250 million dollar deal for a relatively small gang.
Separating the fact from fiction isn’t that hard if you’re willing to give up the preconceived notion that all is well and you will be rich soon.
My opinions are based on documents that I have seen, disregarding all ridiculous predictions by so called gurus.
amos
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Post by JoeRockss on Nov 13, 2007 6:58:04 GMT -5
smartdiamond DIAMOND DIGGER SEC Wells Notice posted - CMKX Huge! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.cmkmdiamondsinc.com/documents/sec-wells-notice-fax.pdfThere was confirmation by many that the SEC would not pay out monies from the Fair Fund unless it was proven that shareholders were defrauded. This is huge news in my opinion. SD
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Post by JoeRockss on Nov 13, 2007 6:59:18 GMT -5
snifferpup DIAMOND JEDI WARLORD *****
Exciting times we live in...
06 January, 2007: Associates inform AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc. that the Vatican is a major shareholder of the naked shorted stock “CMKX” and that there are parallel activities relating to AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc.’s efforts regarding the release of the diverted, delayed and stolen $4.5 trillion Settlement and “CMKX” stock valuation and payment.
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 13, 2007 7:45:18 GMT -5
Paintedhorse DIAMOND JEDI MASTER Re: CMKM « Reply #3 on Yesterday at 8:09pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yesterday at 7:42pm, redcat3 wrote:Does Susanne Trimbath still work for CMKM? TIA That is an excellent question and also happens to be a sore spot with me. So let me paint a scenario of how it should work and then my opinion of how it really is! "Work for" means hired by either permanently or temporarily, i.e., contract employee. "Engaged by" means on a consulting basis, i.e., CPA, Lawyer, Trimbath, etc. Each of the above requires CMKM to have funds for payment of services either as salary or consulting fees. So far as we know via official correspondence, Kevin is the only employee, i.e., CEO - but is he being paid? There is/was only $500 in the till. Per official correspondence, we also know that CMKM supposedly hired outside attorneys, an auditing firm, forensic accountants and the firm of Ms Trimbath. But who are the engagement letters executed by and between? Are there engagement letters? Who is doing the paying - CMKM or Frizzel? If CMKM, how are the funds getting into the Company? So in answer to that excellent question, my answer is: WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THE COMPANY CMKM, I.E., KEVIN WEST, IS NOT TELLING US! But in my opinion, if the consultants are still on board, they are being paid by Bill Frizzell out of one of his accounts. And who knows if there are signed letters of engagement or not. How bout it Kevin? You still working with the hired guns? Who's paying who? Who owes who? Where's the transparency? Tex « Last Edit: Yesterday at 8:27pm by Paintedhorse » millionaires.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=main&action=display&thread=1194914576JustJanet Administrator Re: CMKM « Reply #5 on Yesterday at 8:31pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RECENT ENGAGEMENTS Litigation Pre-litigation support and court depositions for national law firm consortium pursuing securities litigation in multiple state jurisdictions against broker-dealers and central counterparties for various causes of action including fraud, unfair trade practices, intentional interference with contractual relations, conversion, and breach of implied covenant of good faith. Pre-litigation support and court depositions for New Jersey firm pursuing injunctive relief in the southern district of New York against depository trust company (US central counterparty). Decision support for public company considering litigation against broker-dealers and US and Canadian central counterparties. Providing full support for shareholder group pursuing claims against broker dealers and central counterparties. Identifying merits of potential case, evaluating strengths and weaknesses of data and outlining litigation strategies. www.stpadvisors.com/litigation.htmlWell, looks like she's recently provided support to some nondescript shareholder group......... JustJanet
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 13, 2007 8:25:10 GMT -5
By: oil.ipo 13 Nov 2007, 06:51 AM EST Msg. 623659 of 623668 Jump to msg. # Gusjarvis; "take this to the bank, etrade settled their shorts somehow some way! remember the federal reserve just loaned money to fix this mess and it was done in 2006 and earlier or at least a significant portion by the sec's own words. They also settled cmkx's shorts imo! " Etrade; and - "If you think about it we could absorb an immediate write down in excess of $1 billion and still remain well capitalized. " just about spells out what they were dealing in the here, and now doesn't it? Like a heads up of what is to come out . Couple that with Etrade's previous statements to some accounts/clients by slip of the tongue that a settlement was on their books, and coming by virtue of either payment by them collectively or solely, and we kind of get a feeling for what we as shareholders have in our possession. Something of great value. Whether this "1 billion" deals in electronic accounts or a combination of bad choices Etrade made the trades knowingly, willingly, and with the help of our friendly ECN network as proof. They now have to account for their poor choices. It is kind of like when you would dip your hand into the cookie jar over and over without Mom looking, thinking that no one would notice a few extra missing. They took our cash, and tendered the trades, and looked the other way not caring one way or the other if these transactions were "legitimate". I think Etrade more than once slipped on the settlement cash coming our way while on the phone to customers. How do they know? Hahahaha, they paid for their certificates. Keep it simple. Mega/Oil - - - - - ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=623659
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 13, 2007 8:25:49 GMT -5
By: ezaltheladiespa 13 Nov 2007, 07:38 AM EST Msg. 623663 of 623669 (This msg. is a reply to 623659 by oil.ipo.) Jump to msg. # Etrade Securities, LLC Russell S. Elmer, General Counsel 671 No. Glebe Road, 11th Floor Arlington, VA 22203 Re: Request for information from CMKX account holders Dear Mr. Elmer: This law firm is representing Kevin West and approximately 5,200 shareholders of CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX) in several ongoing investigations. As a part of our investigations, we have requested that shareholders forward to this office a copy of the customer statements which they receive from their broker/dealers to provide evidence of their ownership in CMKX. Company management has informed the shareholders that they are attempting to meet certain financial reporting requirements and are spending significant sums of money to meet these obligations. Due to the heavy trading in CMKX in the last 18 months, we are concerned about the total number of shares that have been sold or issued in this company stock. It is important for audit purposes that the company can state accurately the correct number of shares owned by CMKX shareholders. This inquiry has not been directed by the company, but is being made by customers of Etrade. We have been provided a NOBO/OBO list from the issuer with a record date of April 27, 2005. Our shareholder request campaign is in its early stages. We have received responses from approximately 7,000 CMKX shareholders. The NOBO/OBO list indicates Etrade has 9,596 shareholder accounts (clients). These accounts contain 106,935,010,685 shares of CMKX stock if this NOBO/OBO list is accurate. The list was provided by ADP. We have received to date 1357 Etrade statements. These statements confirm ownership of 74,563,304,923 shares of CMKX stock. Assuming the NOBO/OBO figures are correct we could receive as many as 8,239 statements from the remaining CMKX shareholders. The average number of shares in CMKX shareholder accounts in Etrade is approximately 11,000,000 shares per the NOBO/OBO. I trust you can see our concern. 1. Are the number of shares held in Etrade accounts reported by the NOBO/OBO accurate? If the numbers are not accurate, could you possibly explain any inaccuracies? At an SEC hearing a couple of weeks ago, we were advised of a letter from one of the market makers in this stock that resulted from an SEC/NADA investigation into some irregular trades in CMKX. See attached Exhibit 2. As the attorney for Kevin West and several thousand of your customers, I ask you to confirm whether or not any trades in this security were made on an ex-clearing basis through any market maker to which you are associated. Under Regulation SHO, the DTCC is required to report to the SEC open fails to deliver of stocks that meet certain threshold criteria. [Rule 203(b)(3)] The law is well settled in Texas and most other states that broker/dealers have a fiduciary duty to their clients/customers. In furtherance of your fiduciary duty to Mr. West and the thousands of other Etrade customers I represent, please answer the following question. 3. Are there any open fails to deliver in CMKX at Etrade at this time? I am attaching as Exhibit, a letter which purports to be from Etrade employee Ernest Tannis dated May 24, 2005. The letter references a sale of CMKX assets to USCA on or about July 18, 2005. In furtherance of your fiduciary duty to Mr. West and thousands of other Etrade customers I represent, please answer the following questions. 4. Who informed you that USCA was acquiring mineral assets of CMKX? 5. When did Etrade receive such information? CMKM Diamonds, Inc. is under close scrutiny of the SEC at this time. Your prompt response to the inquiries presented in this letter would be appreciated by many of your customers. Feel free to call me if any questions arise surrounding this letter. I look forward to your response. Sincerely, Bill Frizzell Attorney for Kevin West et al CMKX Owners Group ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=623663&submit=GoBy: september_rain 13 Nov 2007, 07:58 AM EST Msg. 623664 of 623669 (This msg. is a reply to 623663 by ezaltheladiespa.) Jump to msg. # The law is well settled in Texas and most other states that broker/dealers have a fiduciary duty to their clients/customers. In furtherance of your fiduciary duty to Mr. West and the thousands of other Etrade customers I represent, please answer the following question.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 13, 2007 9:17:52 GMT -5
y: lilburrito0 13 Nov 2007, 08:56 AM EST Msg. 623674 of 623682 Jump to msg. #
Wow _ Pumpers getting excited!
By: september_rain 13 Nov 2007, 09:04 AM EST Msg. 623678 of 623682 (This msg. is a reply to 623674 by lilburrito0.) Jump to msg. #
lil, Pumpers or shareholders who have done their homework
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 13, 2007 9:23:00 GMT -5
luci Queen of Diamonds By: bobhwang 13 Nov 2007, 05:15 AM EST Msg. 27534 of 27539 Jump to msg. # 2nd chance Urban: Newman can help you clean up your act... Speed is power.. this is no funny car!!!!!!!!! video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4383822594398061912&q=Joseph+Newman&total=168&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=sear ch&plindex=9 By: bobhwang 13 Nov 2007, 05:42 AM EST Msg. 27535 of 27539 Jump to msg. # After 2nd thought no chance Urban:I will contact Joe and work out details to help him... Anyone who was a cert. holder will have an opportunity, after they/themselves SEE..SEE.SEE THE SITUATION....
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