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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:09:11 GMT -5
By: notill 22 Jul 2008, 04:01 PM EDT Msg. 744535 of 744689 (This msg. is a reply to 744534 by klonopin2mg.) Jump to msg. # klon, Mona said 'anytime' a few weeks ago. lol btw: buy FFGO, is hot!!!
By: klonopin2mg 22 Jul 2008, 04:11 PM EDT Msg. 744551 of 744689 (This msg. is a reply to 744535 by notill.) Jump to msg. # i don't know mona', i know one who talks with her and know that the folks i speak to are not in the same circles with mona's source.
not much i can say about her except i'm certain she wants the same outcome based on her posts here. this is the only mb i post on and i have NEVER done paltalk...
i like the more personal route of actually talking to folks. this mb is for entertainment...not going to get my answers here, that's for sure. this is a great outlet to keep hope, "honest" hope alive based on FACTS.
got to run! CHEERS! klon'
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:10:58 GMT -5
By: notill 22 Jul 2008, 04:01 PM EDT Msg. 744535 of 744689 (This msg. is a reply to 744534 by klonopin2mg.) Jump to msg. # klon, Mona said 'anytime' a few weeks ago. lol btw: buy FFGO, is hot!!!
By: my69z 22 Jul 2008, 04:58 PM EDT Msg. 744603 of 744689 Jump to msg. # Kevin said...2 seperate & different lawsuits.
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:12:18 GMT -5
By: gotoil1870 22 Jul 2008, 06:52 PM EDT Msg. 744626 of 744689 Jump to msg. # ACCA WAS RIGHT...she said if it went past may we were in trouble well with august just 9 days away she was right...
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:15:18 GMT -5
By: jfarn 22 Jul 2008, 07:27 PM EDT Msg. 744640 of 744690 (This msg. is a reply to 744625 by nufced.) Jump to msg. # Nufced,
Why hasn't Leslie included the former CMKM attorney with prior SEC Enforcement Div. experience on his resume in her complaint? Going after little ole Brian and Nev. West with the sole focus on selling unregistered stock has this investor scratching his head. Re: the billions noted below....that former SEC official was responsible for signing off on 300+ billion beginning in the summer of 04. Ask your pals why such an individual was not included in the complaint and don't feed me the nonsense that it will be coming down the pike.
When I spoke to Molly White in May she made it quite clear to redirect me to the number 622 when I pressed a bit about NSS in CMKM. __________________________________________________________________
Washington, D.C., April 7, 2008 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged 11 individuals and three companies, alleging they conspired to illegally issue and sell unregistered stock in a purported diamond and gold mining company and lined their pockets with more than $64 million from 40,000 investors nationwide.
The SEC complaint alleges that CMKM Diamonds, Inc., with assistance from a transfer agent and an attorney, fraudulently issued hundreds of billions of shares of purportedly unrestricted stock to the scheme's mastermind. The complaint also alleges that CMKM's CEO Urban Casavant generated investor interest in the company through false press releases, Internet chat boards, and "funny car" race events across the country without disclosing that he ran the company from his house in Las Vegas and that CMKM's primary activity was to issue and promote its own stock.
By: my69z 22 Jul 2008, 07:35 PM EDT Msg. 744641 of 744690 (This msg. is a reply to 744640 by jfarn.) Jump to msg. # Because they're sayin that Glenn was forged by Devorak.
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:18:48 GMT -5
By: jfarn 22 Jul 2008, 07:53 PM EDT Msg. 744647 of 744690 Jump to msg. # It's rather simple: You can't have it both ways....You can't portray CMKM as a complicated pump and dump that resulted in 600+ billion shares in the market and not go after certain entities. They can attempt to pretty the pig up all they want, but Leslie, et. al. are going to look as foolish as they did in the hearing in refuting NSS if they continue to fry small fish only. By: my69z 22 Jul 2008, 07:57 PM EDT Msg. 744649 of 744691 (This msg. is a reply to 744647 by jfarn.) Jump to msg. # I'am only tellin ya what's in black and white....maybe that's all everyone wants,,,,,only a small fish fryin for the public to see. ? By: jfarn 22 Jul 2008, 08:01 PM EDT Msg. 744651 of 744692 (This msg. is a reply to 744649 by my69z.) Jump to msg. # Maybe? I think the two chum @ Nev. West were spot on re: wrongfully being the fall guys for this debacle. By: my69z 22 Jul 2008, 08:04 PM EDT Msg. 744653 of 744692 (This msg. is a reply to 744651 by jfarn.) Jump to msg. # I agree,,,,that was a pretty strange comment they made,,,,,kinda like scorche the earth....
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:22:50 GMT -5
By: jfarn 22 Jul 2008, 07:49 PM EDT Msg. 744644 of 744690 (This msg. is a reply to 744641 by my69z.) Jump to msg. # Have you spoken to Bill F. in the past re: the former SEC official? He told me point blank that he should have been listed in his derivative rights letter and was not clean. Was Bill wrong 69? Or was operation dividend Bill's issue with that individual. This poster thinks not.
By: my69z 22 Jul 2008, 07:55 PM EDT Msg. 744648 of 744691 (This msg. is a reply to 744644 by jfarn.) Jump to msg. # Have never spoke to him....but i don't buy an attorney sayin,,,,woops,,,shoulda included him......what's stopped him since then?? lol
Juuust like why didn't he file suit asap when Don told him yrs ago that the assets were gone???,,,,,lol
good ol Frizz
lol
By: jfarn 22 Jul 2008, 07:59 PM EDT Msg. 744650 of 744692 (This msg. is a reply to 744648 by my69z.) Jump to msg. # I would love to see a series of docs possessing B.D.'s hanthingy from 7/04 to 2/05 that relate specifically to increased A.S. count during said period of time.
By: my69z 22 Jul 2008, 08:03 PM EDT Msg. 744652 of 744692 (This msg. is a reply to 744650 by jfarn.) Jump to msg. # The SEC said...over a 10 month period B.D. did the increases,,,,timeline it and it covers Glenn's tenure.
Timeline it
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:29:17 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 22 Jul 2008, 08:09 PM EDT Msg. 744654 of 744692 (This msg. is a reply to 744649 by my69z.) Jump to msg. # my69z, hi chris. yeah, that's sort of what i think. you've read my ranting and ravings about the maps (LOL) and what i think they suggest. well, for all the bad stuff urban's done and can be proven there are still all the mining claims,,, and i don't care how much of a crook he may have been and how loose he was with our money he would still have to be one dumb son-of-a-biiitch to throw away what he had sown up in the FALC back in 2002 and 2003 for some quick money in vegas. who knows, maybe he wanted both the quick money and the claims and got his ballls caught up in all the craaap that surrounded the stock? i don't know. and while he could have been a bad guy it doesn't mean that the naked short wasn't substantial and so the SEC is left holding the bag. they've got a small time crook on the one hand and a major naked short of a stock that indeed is worth billions. what could they do? a deal is worked out where urban has to take his medicine because he's guilty as charged but at the same time the 40k shareholders own naked shorted stock of a valuable company. what to do? what to do? maybe exactly what we see,,, and also what you seem to be suggesting. By: my69z 22 Jul 2008, 09:18 PM EDT Msg. 744660 of 744692 (This msg. is a reply to 744654 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # Rosen..." who knows, maybe he wanted both the quick money and the claims and got his ballls caught up in all the craaap that surrounded the stock? i don't know." That's what I think and really said so once the March '07 litigation came out.And about your map comments.....i said over and over,,,,mp3's and posts.....if Urban is guilty and actually owns a % of that block of claims form the Shore dispute....then he should forfeit it to "CMKX",,,,,,,never got any replies. Now I see you sayin somehting along the same lines......lol " and while he could have been a bad guy it doesn't mean that the naked short wasn't substantial and so the SEC is left holding the bag. they've got a small time crook on the one hand and a major naked short of a stock " I agree..... " what could they do? a deal is worked out where urban has to take his medicine because he's guilty as charged " My own thought has always been....cooperate and lose it all with only a few yrs in prison,,,,,,or lose it all and die in prison. " what to do? what to do? maybe exactly what we see,,, and also what you seem to be suggesting." I mentioned this to u the other day......pretty strange the SEC didn't even depose Moran. HMMMMMmmmmmm Then again.....they said NSS wasn't an issue. But Frizz said he was told,,,if they could prove there was one,,,the SEC said they'd help. And now with what they did with Freddie/Fanny....i'am convinced there could've been a post-trade deal worked,,,,,,and i hope so and always have. Anyone,,,ANYONE...who thinks it's smart for CMKX to come out and announce some major NSS.....dosen't have an ounce of business sense. Rosen,,,I can show u where i've been sayin...and why....for yrs that CMKX was workin with the SEC,,,CMKX will be judgements by default,,,,and that hopefully we'd be allowed to get the bulk of the assets. I was LOL when I saw them recently sayin there'd be no conflict with the SEC in collectin assets....LOL,,,,good...that's what we want and #### on some "Fair Funds" crap. Later! By: rosencrantz2010 22 Jul 2008, 09:10 PM EDT Msg. 744657 of 744692 Jump to msg. # my69z, i forgot to ask you the other night when you mentioned the fact that moran hadn't testified,, what did you mean? in other words, what is the significance that moran wasn't questioned by the SEC? and does it have anything to do with the interplead? and if so, how could the interplead play a role at this late stage? and besides, i thought moran advised urban to BK the company and be done with it, at least that one story.
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:33:27 GMT -5
By: jfarn 22 Jul 2008, 09:13 PM EDT Msg. 744658 of 744692 Jump to msg. # In August and September 2004, CMK issued more than 233.7 bilion purportedly unrestricted shares to approximately 258 individuals or entities who allegedly invested in the company in 2001 but did not then receive certificates, including the Edwards Entities, Gutierrez, Kinney, and others. The board resolutions, which were signed by Casavant, and the opinion letters, which were prepared and both Dvorak and ANOTHER LAWYER, acknowledge in most instances that the company had remembered to issue the underlying shares themselves earlier in 2004, but now also recalled that the investors were entitled to a dividend reflecting a 2-for-l stock split that took place in 2003. Over a ten-month period, Dvorak wrote at least 464 opinion letters, the vast majority of which contained baseless or fabricated justifications for the issuance of unrestricted CMKm stock. Armed with these letters, in 2004, CMKm issued more than 606 bilion unrestricted shares to the Edwards Entities, Casavant's nominees, and others. THE FORMER SEC OFFICIAL DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE ABOVE? __________________________________________________________________ Was the company wrong in 07? Press releases promised that CMKM had retained a prominent securities attorney to assure regulatory compliance. The Complaint charges that the lawyer, Roger Glenn, was not retained for that purpose, but instead facilitated the Company’s sale of shares by providing necessary legal opinion letters. www.stockpatrol.com/article/key/update_cmkmpatricide __________________________________________________________________ D. Roger Glenn of Edwards & Angell, attorneys for CMKM Diamonds, Inc. said “The Company is proud to announce this relationship with Pacific Stock Transfer .It has a fine reputation as a transfer agent, and the Company is looking forward to working with it in the future. The Company is confident that Pacific Stock Transfer will process transactions in the Company’s stock accurately and quickly. Roger was well aware of the game. You can't simply have it both ways. www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=155&mn=6169&pt=msg&mid=93053 jf~ By: my69z 22 Jul 2008, 09:28 PM EDT Msg. 744662 of 744692 (This msg. is a reply to 744658 by jfarn.) Jump to msg. # Jfarn..." Over a ten-month period, Dvorak wrote at least 464 opinion letters, the vast majority of which contained baseless or fabricated justifications for the issuance of unrestricted CMKm stock. Armed with these letters, in 2004, CMKm issued more than 606 bilion unrestricted shares to the Edwards Entities, Casavant's nominees, and others. THE FORMER SEC OFFICIAL DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE ABOVE? " The SEC said...622B was dumped,,,this says 606....but the point is...the SEC is clearly sayin,,,,"Devorak"...they said....a,,,,attorney. And Glenn told Stoecklien that he never had any CMKX docs....Devorak and someone named Guiterrez ( his words not mine),,,,at all times had CMKX's docs. I'am not sayin yay/nay......just that it sure looooks like the SEC has circled the wagons around Glenn....they even said he opinion letters weren't important to our SEC trial cause his letters pertained to UCAD.
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:37:09 GMT -5
By: jfarn 22 Jul 2008, 09:27 PM EDT Msg. 744661 of 744692 (This msg. is a reply to 744660 by my69z.) Jump to msg. # "Anyone,,,ANYONE...who thinks it's smart for CMKX to come out and announce some major NSS.....dosen't have an ounce of business sense."
I concur...and it is why we have witnessed relevant info. ghosted and academy award winning performances by some rather unlikely friends.
Follow the leader was never viable, hence the fiction we've had to endure.
jf
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:38:31 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 22 Jul 2008, 09:30 PM EDT Msg. 744663 of 744693 (This msg. is a reply to 744660 by my69z.) Jump to msg. # my69z,
whooo whee! if urban loses it all over the quick money and his shortsightedness then he and his kin will go down as the dumbest crime family ever.
to think they had the FALC pretty much sown up and they were so shortsighted they couldn't work the claims and put together the business effort it would take to turn their claims into the monster diamond field it appears it's going to become.
his grandkids are going to be looking back at this fiasco and shake their head over the family's loss of control of the world's greatest diamond field.
it's still hard to believe anyone could be that incompetent.
By: my69z 22 Jul 2008, 09:42 PM EDT Msg. 744667 of 744693 (This msg. is a reply to 744663 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # " it's still hard to believe anyone could be that incompetent. "....i think he got ahead of himself and did what alot of small start-ups do...the CEO dips a little.
But he got into some nasty stuff.....that's his problem,,,,not ours.It's not written in a companies by-laws that a CEO gets to back door loan to himself.
Whatever the fall out.....it's his fault and it wouldn't bother me for a second.
greed is xxxxx.
And one last thing about incompetence.....Coke could've bought Pepsi in tha hay days for .5 a share,,,,,,five cents.
But they passed sayin the company was so poorly ran that there was no need to cause they'll just bk themsleves eventually.
LOL.....how's that for incompetence?? LOL
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:39:17 GMT -5
By: klonopin2mg 22 Jul 2008, 09:30 PM EDT Msg. 744664 of 744693 (This msg. is a reply to 744658 by jfarn.) Jump to msg. # hiyah jf'..."You can't simply have it both ways."
once again...i get energy reading it over again...thank you!
it's all in "the attic" of the shareholders.
they can't erase history!
thanks for all you do..and thanks lowriderbill'...quite quiet confidence!
Good Night jf'!
klon'
By: rosencrantz2010 22 Jul 2008, 09:37 PM EDT Msg. 744666 of 744693 (This msg. is a reply to 744664 by klonopin2mg.) Jump to msg. # klon, i'd love for lowriderbill and bellingus to be right on. indeed i would. i'm sitting here shaking my head still trying to put the facts together and finding it unfathomable that anyone that had that much of the FALC ground under his control would be blinded by quick money and the rest of it and let the FALC slip through his fingers.
but, when it come right down to it i'll take it either way. if the tyler boys can get it back or urban comes out on top, either one is just fine with me so long as all of us realize a modest ROI.
and i'd still like to own shares in a proven diamond mine one day.
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:40:01 GMT -5
By: my69z 22 Jul 2008, 09:34 PM EDT Msg. 744665 of 744693 Jump to msg. # Why didn't the SEC depose Moran??...LMAO!,,,,,good..LOL
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:43:49 GMT -5
By: jfarn 22 Jul 2008, 09:48 PM EDT Msg. 744671 of 744693 (This msg. is a reply to 744658 by jfarn.) Jump to msg. # The board resolutions, which were signed by Casavant, and the opinion letters, which were prepared and both Dvorak and ANOTHER LAWYER.
Why is that "other lawyer" the SEC's equivalent of the fukking spotted owl?
There is great reason why he is a protected species~
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:47:27 GMT -5
By: klonopin2mg 22 Jul 2008, 09:56 PM EDT Msg. 744674 of 744693 (This msg. is a reply to 744667 by my69z.) Jump to msg. # chris', just for fun as i am beat......
1. "small start-ups" don't start with the claims involved here imo. 2. personally don't think of COKE as incompetent (impartial being from the ATL), but to use the same analogy.....
maybe someone that didn't want to make the same mistake as the Coca-Cola Company could have bought CMKX for that same five cents per share, but thought "the company was so poorly ran that there was no need to cause they'll just bk themsleves eventually".lol
as for the "fallout", it's been discussed for years...no shock here.
Enjoy Reading Your Posts As Always!
klon'
By: my69z 22 Jul 2008, 10:07 PM EDT Msg. 744678 of 744693 (This msg. is a reply to 744674 by klonopin2mg.) Jump to msg. # " 1. "small start-ups" don't start with the claims involved here imo."
The only claims they've kept ( Entg/Koch have) are the original ones from the '03 deal....actually,,,the day Entg signed the deal,,,400K acres were dropped. lol
Incompetent analyzing.....the same will maybe pertain to "Urban's" assumptions.
But I doubt theere's gonna be a 5 cent payout....possible??,,,sure...anything is.....but doubt it
Later
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 22, 2008 22:54:39 GMT -5
By: my69z 22 Jul 2008, 10:00 PM EDT Msg. 744676 of 744693 Jump to msg. # Think about what COXs' NSS actions could mean to something like UnShareholder if it were to become a class action.
hmmm
By: jfarn 22 Jul 2008, 10:02 PM EDT Msg. 744677 of 744693 (This msg. is a reply to 744676 by my69z.) Jump to msg. # Think about all those companies that began to follow our play book and pulled OBO/NOBO's last year. So quiet now?
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