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Post by Duc N Altum on May 11, 2010 19:21:22 GMT -5
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Post by Duc N Altum on May 11, 2010 19:34:44 GMT -5
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Post by enoughalready on May 11, 2010 19:41:28 GMT -5
Has anyone wondered what will happen if UC dies?
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Post by Duc N Altum on May 11, 2010 19:48:02 GMT -5
I have thought of that too. But something tells me if all this opinion of above is the case, I would bet that he is protected very well, would be my thought. And also he did do the Feugo entertainment interviews back in 05 and yes it could of been just about mining conversations but also who knows if added interviews were done on the naked shorting side and that treated as insurance to where if he needed to have his story recorded, wouldn't it be there despite anyone trying to prevent him from releasing his words? Who knows but just throwing out the possibility and I could see that being such if UC is thee Atomic Bomb to the bad financial system.
I kind of see this example above like in Maheu's book, Next to Hughes, where the blackmailer was trying to get money out of Hughes. Maheu had this guy meet him in Maheu's hotel room. He got the guy talking and then the guy revealed himself and the guy asked to buy that tape recording. On the way out of Maheu's room Maheu told the guy that he never wanted to have anything like this ever happen again from him and then Maheu opened up a second hiding spot of a second recorder to reveal that everything up to the guy leaving Maheu's room was being recorded. Something tells me that this guy got the full message not to mess with Maheu nor Howard Hughes. Great insurance! ;D
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on May 12, 2010 7:32:12 GMT -5
Hi Duc,
Some very thought-provoking concepts you presented in the MP3!! I am very surprised that this thread did not generate more replies, but to be fair, I guess most shareholders are just tired from trying to make any sense out of this saga. I , for one have never accepted the "stories" we have been spoon fed, over and over again. A story which has way too many chapters missing to be considered "ready for publishing".
Your thoughts jarred a memory from back in 2004. I remember being in one of the paltalk rooms when davidjomar told a story, about the day he informed UC, what he had witnessed happening in the company. I have always wondered about his story as it seems that not long after, first Glenn and then Mahue appeared. My thought back then was that help was sought. What I think now? I try not to.
This saga has had so many twists and turns to it, that it is amazing that anyone could come up with thoughts that could hold possible plausibility such as you have done. Interesting theory/thoughts to say the least. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts with the rest of the shareholders. Hopefully, one day this book will be completed and the many thoughts and theories offered by shareholders, such as yourself, will prove to come to fruition.
Hopefully justice will prevail, Hopefully, so too shall the shareholders!
again thanks
SINGLE
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Post by Duc N Altum on May 13, 2010 3:17:07 GMT -5
Thanks SINGLE and cowbellcowbell. I just came across many shareholders that were of the thought that UC's RICO announcement was something that was going to drag our journey out longer. I personally did not see it that way. If Al Hodges' Lawsuit is out and considering his former ties to Master Maheu, something tells me that he is not doing all of this for his own health. The cowbell rings over and over in my head that obviously the TIME is of thee essense in resolving this issue of our payout and as AL said in his interim update, " In the unlikely event that this litigation continues forward, a motion will be filed with the Court...................." In the UNLIKELY EVENT! So with pressure being one of the keys here imo, what better checkmate piece of pressure would there be in delivering this into LIGHT SPEED then throwing the RICO cape on UC, with all the power of pressure that could bring? All of these thoughts could be out in left field on rain delay but I personally see many many fits of possibility, that has me believing that some power moves maybe crushing our other side.
Anyway just wanted to throw out the thought to balance out what many were not focusing on or might of overlooked as a possibility.
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Post by Duc N Altum on May 13, 2010 3:22:42 GMT -5
By: aladin99 11 May 2010, 10:31 PM EDT Rating: Rate this post: Msg. 932295 of 932592 Jump to msg. # IS UC's RICO the potential atomic bomb??? Aladin99 believes the system is using the word RICO as an accuse to pay us and hide NSS issue.... www.zshare.net/audio/7594340110851f1d/ |
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Post by Duc N Altum on May 13, 2010 3:25:46 GMT -5
By: duc_n_altum 12 May 2010, 09:38 PM EDT Rating: Msg. 932527 of 932530 (Reply to 932295 by aladin99) Jump to msg. # Yes Aladin99, I agree that too is a strong possibility. But I am also seeing the connection of possibility, of what I seeing even a stronger possibility of the timing of UC's STRONG RICO attachment with the market having its unexplainable effect shortly after UC's RICO announcement. And of course this might look like a crazy thought linking a revocated company and what looks like it has not a leg to stand on with how the surface looks and maybe how it is supposed to look. But once again as said in the MP3, if UC was attached to a company that had a ton of proof to counter the systems ways, and if the system was aware and in fact took care of CMKM in this example then I can see how the threat of UC's power might of been in settling our issue. And it has been implied from numerous avenues ( that I do not have time to locate all) that we CMKX/M, are playing a part in a grander mission. On Feb 26,2010 Al Hodges' update, stated: As Tramp and many others have suggested, this effort is not about CMKX alone. Receipt of the Economic Release will impact, one way or another, the entire financial structure of US and international activities. Once you can accept the truth of that statement, I’m sure that you can understand that it is a highly technical, complex and multi-faceted undertaking. CMKX has a role to play and we are doing our very best to assist in its successful conclusion. tramp2.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=cmkxprs&thread=11695&page=1#71196And then you add BHolleneggs post from April 29,2010 By: elvis-is-here 29 Apr 2010, 09:10 PM EDT Rating: Msg. 929472 of 929508 (Reply to 929466 by bhollenegg) Jump to msg. # bhollenegg thank you for all you have done that has benefited the s/h. I have a few questions for you. 1 do you think that if/when the trustee gets the economic receipt, the trustee will release the payment as a lump sum to s/h as opposed to structured settlement over time? 2 do you think that we may already have our money (trustee) and are waiting on part of the other 42 trillion to reach its trustee? 3 do you think the recent negative press on goldman is somewhat related to CMKX? 4 do you think we will have RR's? tia elvis By: bhollenegg 29 Apr 2010, 10:21 PM EDT Rating: Msg. 929503 of 929508 (Reply to 929472 by elvis-is-here) Jump to msg. # ELVIS-is-here...Thank you. 1.don't know. 2. yes 3. don't know 4. don't know Take care, BHollenegg _____________________________________ So if we already have our (CMKX) money as Bob's post and Al states above that "CMKX has a role to play and we are doing our very best to assist in its successful conclusion," with ALL ELSE attached to the payout of our trust, has me really seeing that Maheu's mission was far grander than most minds. It is one thing to take care of one company but then if the system is going to continue it's ways, then what was it for? But if Maheu knew that through CMKX he could prove the BLUE PRINT of thee manipulation and how massive it was with just one company alone, something tells me that after our cert pull, THE TEAM was able to then spread this blue print of proof around and show how alive this massive situation really was and prove the other companies who claimed that they had been naked shorted but could not prove it until a blue print of our scale, could shed the light on the whole situation. So lets just say that there are other companies with the same situation as we had like PCBM, EAGLE TECH, OVERSTOCK and on and on. I am not saying who is in our trust but using an example of possible other companies that maybe attached in the same waited payout. So if we CMKX have all of the funds but if we can not get our funds paid out until all money is collected to the other companies/ other situations, then I can see the we CMKX/M can play a HUGE role in forcing with all the behind the curtain proven manipulation done to us, and threaten it to the whole world, if all do not cooperate. And some may say yeah sure whatever. But like in the MP3, the example of if UC gets a testimony out and as Ms. Trimbath said in late 09 on her twitter account, that we/CMKM are not the only company of our situations, there are currently 1000s of companies who have the same situation but are not getting any of attention upon their situation. If UC's testimony were to get out and used in any court like setting where his deposition were to be able to be used in any other case, I FULLY BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW ALLLLLLLL OTHER NAKED SHORTED COMPANIES TO FINALLY ALLOW THEM TO USE THIS TESTIMONY TO SHED LIGHT ON THEIR SITUATION WHERE THERE COULD FINALLY BE COURTS THAT ALLOW THIS ISSUE TO BE RIGHTFULLY HEARD. AND IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, (From Starting from UC) there would be no way in hiding this issue from anyone if courts are full of this situation. They can try to hide our situation but 100's or 1000's of companies? I doubt and that could then expose the market and that would most likely melt the confidence to where there would be no market for quite some time. A great threat to have, in assisting the whole situation. And since there are other attachments involving us getting paid out from what it appears, and as Al said in his most recent update that it is an economic war behind the scenes. I do not think Al is not talking about anything that is not relating to what is relating to us, so if he says it's an economic war that tells me that there are folks not following through on what needs to be done. SO therefore if the threat of UC were to show up to defend himself, especially on a HEFTY LABEL OF RICO, do you think that it might scare the high ups like the DTCC, SEC, CFTC and all others in the market that might see the big picture of if UC's power and what that could unleash? I just find it interesting how UC's RICO arrives on the scene and shortly there after the market does something we have never seen in one day? And 2 economists have said "what happened yesterday ( the day of the market issue) resembles hedge funds covering their short positions." Just wonder if there were a bunch of companies that are attached to our situation that were being ignored and if they were being ignored we are being ignored because it is holding up our payment too, so how masterful would it be to slap UC with a more serious charge (than what Tyler was claiming) to where it forces the threat of UC can start speaking to defend himself, which could bust open what the bad guys do not, if they to not clean this up stat. Anyway, I do see RICO having many possible situations for us, but I really believe UC is the check mate threat! All above is just my opinion and some thoughts. And aladin thanks for all your great posts throughout the years, enjoyed them and thanks for all your contributions along with the many others as well. And Pelican great to see you. Take care!! |
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Post by beavis on May 13, 2010 3:35:25 GMT -5
Thanks SINGLE and cowbellcowbell. I just came across many shareholders that were of the thought that UC's RICO announcement was something that was going to drag our journey out longer. I personally did not see it that way. If Al Hodges' Lawsuit is out and considering his former ties to Master Maheu, something tells me that he is not doing all of this for his own health. The cowbell rings over and over in my head that obviously the TIME is of thee essense in resolving this issue of our payout and as AL said in his interim update, " In the unlikely event that this litigation continues forward, a motion will be filed with the Court...................." In the UNLIKELY EVENT! So with pressure being one of the keys here imo, what better checkmate piece of pressure would there be in delivering this into LIGHT SPEED then throwing the RICO cape on UC, with all the power of pressure that could bring? All of these thoughts could be out in left field on rain delay but I personally see many many fits of possibility, that has me believing that some power moves maybe crushing our other side. Anyway just wanted to throw out the thought to balance out what many were not focusing on or might of overlooked as a possibility. I listened to your audio - very nice - makes a lot of sense. I'm still trying to wrap my head around what RICO means so it will all be more understandable to me. |
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Post by beavis on May 13, 2010 3:43:21 GMT -5
... also, great last post above... what would the purpose be of a sting if nothing changed in the market? It's been one of many questions of mine... makes sense that we are part of a bigger picture here.
I remember someone posting (can't remember who - wyatt?) that the SEC going after Goldman Sachs was directly related to CMKX... when you put it all together, and take a look at the overall picture, this makes sense as well if we are a "tool" to be used to make a major overhaul to Wall St and put confidence back into the public... of course the SEC would come out looking good... unless "in the unlikely event" that this goes to court... which makes sense as to why it probably never will.
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Post by Duc N Altum on May 13, 2010 3:50:56 GMT -5
... also, great last post above... what would the purpose be of a sting if nothing changed in the market? It's been one of many questions of mine... makes sense that we are part of a bigger picture here. I remember someone posting (can't remember who - wyatt?) that the SEC going after Goldman Sachs was directly related to CMKX... when you put it all together, and take a look at the overall picture, this makes sense as well if we are a "tool" to be used to make a major overhaul to Wall St and put confidence back into the public... of course the SEC would come out looking good... unless "in the unlikely event" that this goes to court... which makes sense as to why it probably never will. Yes Beavis there it is---> (7:)We were authoritatively advised on Saturday 17th April 2010 that this SEC Complaint against Goldman Sachs & Co. and a named Goldman employee was specifically triggered as a DIRECT consequence of the Complaint against the Securities and Exchange Commission and individually and severally against current and former SEC officials filed by the lawyers for the CMKX victims, Hodges and Associates, of Pasadena, CA, in January [see our report dated 9th January 2010] claiming $3.87 trillion following the floating of 2.25 trillion of phantom shares.Service of that complaint was accepted by the SEC’s Office of General Counsel both on behalf of the SEC and of current officers, while former SEC officers accepted service and had to arrange their own legal representation. www.globalanalysis.net/news/285_t....t_goldman_sachs <------ there was a different link in more of a PDF file kind of a link that had this same exact thing but that link went POOF saying no file found. That morning I saw the link at 11am working fine and a friend called and said he was checking out the link at 1PM and the link did not work anymore at all.  So this is what we have as a link of where else it was posted. |
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Post by Duc N Altum on May 13, 2010 4:11:04 GMT -5
And what is also interesting is this past post of Taskforceviking did that day of when this Goldman Sachs connection piece came out. And before I post it, if there were a book called the Naked Truth, supposedly about CMKX, why would there be some pages in there about Goldman? _____________________________________________ By: taskforceviking The Goldman Gang -- Mark Faulk « Thread Started Today at 7:07pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Interesting that our former CEO wrote this piece about GS quite a while before the proverbial sheet hit the fan...  thenakedtruthbook.com/?p=40The Goldman Gang It’s the stuff that Hollywood movies are made of; a greedy heartless mega-conglomerate that controls our lives in some significant way, either our pharmaceutical industry, our military-industrial complex, or maybe even our government. It is always a shadowy and nefarious entity, one that that can only be exposed through seemingly chance meetings in seedy neighborhood bars, where unidentified people talk in hushed whispers. And so it is with this story. I’m not even sure why I’m writing about this. I don’t have answers yet, only questions and the vague ramblings of paranoid industry insiders, who invariably introduce themselves and then admonish me to forget their names, to throw away their business cards. I’ve been in New York City now for the past four weeks, a world so far removed from Oklahoma that as I lie awake writing these words late at night, I’m not even certain that what I’m about to say is relevant in Middle America. With the disconnect between Wall Street and Main Street, the stock market and futures market seems about as meaningful to Oklahomans as igloos and Eskimos. But yet here we are, facing what will eventually be remembered as the worst economic meltdown in the history of our country. And the rubble on Wall Street is directly affecting even the most unaware worker in the smallest town in the Midwest. As I’ve spoken to those on the street (and by “street” I mean Wall Street), I’ve come to realize that there is one clear villain in this economic global crisis, a villain that even those in the industry are hesitant to talk about. Goldman Sachs. It was a name that came up time and again in conversations, but unfortunately, those conversations were always “off the record” and without attribution. First, a trader who literally wandered by on the street spoke of “The Goldman Gang”, but was hesitant to share details, admonishing me that he still had to deal with people on Wall Street. Then, in a random late evening stop at a dingy neighborhood bar in Soho, another trader slid onto the bar stool next to mine. We talked for a few minutes, and I’m not even sure how it happened, but the subject quickly turned to Wall Street and the recent events of our economy. Somehow we began to discuss naked short selling and the manipulation of the stock market, and he quickly tied that in to his area of expertise, trading the futures markets. And then he asked me a simple question: Did I know who had ruined the oil futures market, who had singlehandedly manipulated the market and driven up prices to almost double their value of just months earlier? Because I knew that Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley were the two biggest speculators in the oil futures market, I ventured their names as a guess. He narrowed it down to a single company: Goldman Sachs. I knew they had infiltrated the federal government, from Treasury Secretary and former Goldman CEO Henry Paulsen to Goldman board of directors member Gordon M. Liddy (named by Paulsen to take over AIG after their $85 billion bailout), and from former Goldman executive Joshua Bolton (now Bush’s chief of staff) to former Goldman chairman Stephen Friedman, now chairman of the New York Fed. Paulsen also brought in former low level Goldman banker Neel Kashkari to oversee the distribution of the $700 billion bailout. Other Paulsen treasury insiders include former Goldman Sachs executives Dan Jester, Steve Shafran, Kendrick R. Wilson III, Edward C. Forst, and Robert Steele. And if that isn’t enough, former Clinton Treasury secretary Roboert Rubin was an ex-chairman at Goldman as well, and he in turn promoted former Goldman executive TImothy Geithner to the Treasury as well, and Geithner eventually became head of the New York Fed. Is the Goldman Gang looking out only for the interests of Wall Street? Probably, even if only because they have a myopic viewpoint of what needs to happen to fix what they themselves broke. They undoubtedly believe that what’s best for Wall Street is best for America, so even if their motivation is sincere, their actions are slanted strongly in favor of Wall Street. But there is without a doubt more to it that just a government top heavy with ex-Goldman cronies. It is a fact that they are (along with Morgan Stanley) the largest oil futures trader in the world, and it is absolutely true that they are the largest hedge fund operator in the world. Their influence in the market and on our economic policies is undeniable, and even their competitors are hesitant to rock the boat when it comes to exposing the amount of manipulation that originates with Goldman Sachs. As the next few weeks pass by, I hope that responsible journalists will continue to ask questions about Goldman’s activities, and shed some light on pain that is being felt all the way from Wall Street to Main Street. We can never have reform in our markets without accountability, and pulling back the curtain on the Goldman Sachs Gang is as good a place as any to begin the process. And that, as always, is the Faulking Truth. (Mark Faulk’s first book is entitled The Naked Truth: Investing in the Stock Play of a Lifetime, and is now available at www.thenakedtruthbook.com. Tune in with Mark and Paul Faulk every Saturday from 1-2 PM CST on The Faulking Truth X2 Show at www.toginet.comnoahltl1.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=cmkx1&thread=2248&page=1#7700 |
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Post by thunkerdrone on May 13, 2010 6:01:02 GMT -5
So, maybe that $900,000 Goldman Sachs slap on the wrist was window dressing & the real behind the scenes penalty necessitated what amounted to a trillion dollar asset sale by Goldman last week?
In a way it's all a bit difficult to believe , if GS is as powerful
as Faulk and others have said.
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Post by Duc N Altum on May 13, 2010 8:33:47 GMT -5
So, maybe that $900,000 Goldman Sachs slap on the wrist was window dressing & the real behind the scenes penalty necessitated what amounted to a trillion dollar asset sale by Goldman last week? In a way it's all a bit difficult to believe , if GS is as powerful as Faulk and others have said. thunderdrone, a couple weeks ago friends of mine and I were shooting around this exact very topic with the possibility of this billion dollars being a fudged fact number to hide what really is. As large as they are and as Mark said that they are the largest hedge fund operator in the world. And if that be the case along with their power, if it was only a billion dollars out of their huge holdings, I could of see Goldman saying here is a petty cashiers check for a billion dollars so go run off and go back to your 9 to 5. But interesting how they had a fight in them to show up on the Hill and take a beating and then after start talking about negotiations. Hmmmm? Might be more than what they were displaying because as I believe, they probably could throw that billion at someone and not miss it. But as you said you could see it being more than the 1 billion as is myself and I believe that SEC could even have the topic of the lawsuit labeled subprime when it could very well be everything else under the sun that the market does not want the world to know about. Yeah just label it sub prime issue because Joe Public knows that the housing market is bad and that topic would not be of any surprise because people are aware of or feel like they know of the situation. And maybe subprime has a part. But I could see how that could be the focus while they hide behind the curtain trying to fix all of everything else of the real reasons that they might be in the situations that they are in. Anyway, with the Goldman Sachs Alumni spread around the top positions around our financial system, I can see how Al can say that it is an economic war behind the scenes. These folks most likely do not want to change their royalty kind of ways. But as the example of my UC and RICO cape, if he flys in and does what I am speculating about and the rest of the naked shorted companies take charge using his story, I could personally see like thee end of a Scooby Doo cartoon where the masks are lifted off each of the villans heads to then be exposed for all to know and to finally have the jig be up. All in my opinion. |
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