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Post by hammertime on Aug 31, 2010 12:08:07 GMT -5
So is Sept 16th or 17th everyone's new prediction date? I am so tired of this - 6 years of predictions and nothing...all lies, tales and games. My head spins around and I vomit pea soup everytime I see a new date posted. WTF? Im with you Manny
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Post by deltadon30228 on Aug 31, 2010 12:23:56 GMT -5
Al did not present the documents at the hearing simply because they were discussing the format and structure of the required re-filing. And yes TallyHo, if and when the time comes for the documents to be submitted, they will become part of public record. However, that timing would be during the actual trial which happens after discovery. We may yet end up re-filing and we may end up getting to discovery, but I very highly doubt we will go past discovery. Just some thoughts! Let's think outside the box for a minute, if nearly 4 trillion dollars was paid by the guilty parties to avoid prison time, wouldn't the proof or evidence used to get the agreement made be locked up tight and to never see the light of day?? With that point, wouldn't part of the agreement be to keep all evidence from the courts, you must view the Bivens separate from the agreement. The Bivens is a case against the individuals of the SEC, the evidence from that meeting was an agreement between the guilty parties (Hedge funds, MM, Brokers, and DTCC) Keep in mind the SEC assisted in the sting. I personally think Maheu made this agreement iron clad and a guaranteed payout, drop dead payouts and that guaranteed payout part of the agreement. Don't you? This Bivens is smoke and mirrors and has no significance in the "IF" category, this is a matter of "WHEN" Timed release! Don, IMHO!
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Post by squeezebox on Aug 31, 2010 12:29:52 GMT -5
They just put out a warning to everyone living on the east coast from NC to Maine from Hurricane Earl. Can expect mass power outages and flooding. everyone in those areas needs to pay attention to evac notices. Everyone be safe!
Will that be our next excuse for payment delay?
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Post by theotherside on Aug 31, 2010 12:34:50 GMT -5
So is Sept 16th or 17th everyone's new prediction date? Yes, until September 18th.
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Post by 3bid on Aug 31, 2010 12:35:21 GMT -5
Yes. There are legal documents stating that there is a trust fund. The Bivens suit itself is one such document. The FACT that such a document exists that claims the existence of a trust fund DOES NOT PROVE there is a trust fund. I think what you're really asking, lovindiamonds, is to see the TRUST FUND DOCUMENT itself. Fat chance on that desire being satisfied. And Robert, you know the difference. That was misleading at best and somewhat disingenuous. ...Warren Perhaps we should keep the complex paragraph intact, so that one simple sentence isn't selectively forced to stand naked and alone, when judged and juried.There are legal documents stating there are Trust Funds for the CMKX Shareholders; an Attorney with over 40 years experience in law, head of an established law firm, expert witness, Judge, Arbitrator in more than 100 cases, represented cases in the Supreme Court, listed in Who’s Who, worked with Mr. Robert Maheu and friend for over 30 years, has gone on court record stating he has the evidence there are Trust Funds and has dedicated his resources, his staff, his time and personal time to pursue the release of the funds for the CMKX Shareholders while fighting a corrupt system to make right a just outcome for 50,000 plus Shareholders, victims of the largest Naked Shorted Stock in the history of the WORLD Market by filing the largest Bivens type law suit in the history of the US Stock Market….
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Post by timonesock on Aug 31, 2010 13:05:15 GMT -5
Be careful, the splatter may soil your vest. Not directed to anyone specifically. The comment made is equally effective when directed to a pumper as opposed to a basher. So were not allowed to call you a basher but your allowed for some reason on this board to call BH a pumper hmmm?!?!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2010 13:08:26 GMT -5
Al did not present the documents at the hearing simply because they were discussing the format and structure of the required re-filing. And yes TallyHo, if and when the time comes for the documents to be submitted, they will become part of public record. However, that timing would be during the actual trial which happens after discovery. We may yet end up re-filing and we may end up getting to discovery, but I very highly doubt we will go past discovery. Just some thoughts! Let's think outside the box for a minute, if nearly 4 trillion dollars was paid by the guilty parties to avoid prison time, wouldn't the proof or evidence used to get the agreement made be locked up tight and to never see the light of day?? With that point, wouldn't part of the agreement be to keep all evidence from the courts, you must view the Bivens seperate from the agreement. The Bivens is a case against the individuals of the SEC, the evidence from that meeting was an agreement between the guilty parties (Hedge funds, MM, Brokers, and DTCC) Keep in mind the SEC assisted in the sting. I personally think Maheu made this agreement iron clad and a guaranteed payout, drop dead payouts and that guaranteed payout part of the agreement. Don't you? This Bivens is smoke and mirrors and has no significance in the "IF" category, this is a matter of "WHEN" Timed release! Don, IMHO! Right on! And to further clarify. The powers that paid the 4T don't want the evidence to become public. This is why AH is letting nothing out. These bad guys are putting pressure on the SEC and the DOJ and whom ever else that are trying to stop the release and believe me, these bad guys are who run the country, they got pull. So, if AH were to make the evidence public, he would loose his support. IMO D4E
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Post by 3bid on Aug 31, 2010 13:22:01 GMT -5
Be careful, the splatter may soil your vest. Not directed to anyone specifically. The comment made is equally effective when directed to a pumper as opposed to a basher. Certainly. It could drift either way without propulsion on still waters, minus a prevailing subtle wind of bias from men in black vests... more effective than white, to hide the tell-tale splatter stains of fast food cooking.
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Post by Warren_Pease on Aug 31, 2010 13:22:22 GMT -5
Good point 3bid. To be sure, however, your argument has relevance regarding only the last line of my post.
The first three lines were written in response to lovindiamonds desire to "feel better." He was referring to Robert's assertion that "there are legal documents stating there are Trust Funds for the CMKX Shareholders." Lovindiamonds wanted to see these documents. I suggested that a more careful reading of Robert's statement simply indicates that all we have are legal documents claiming the existence of a trust. These documents are not themselves the trust documents. That should be obvious and incontrovertible.
I should have stopped there. I hesitated to make the last statement and your post, 3bid, rightly calls me on this. I made the charge than Robert's message was misleading. And it was. That accounts for lovindiamonds misunderstanding. My sense that Robert was also "somewhat disingenuous" was perhaps misplaced. I have no proof of that. Actually, I rather think that Robert wasn't even aware that he set a misleading tone.
It's apparent that Robert wants us all to believe that the trust documents really do exist because Al Hodges believes they exist. So Robert follows his statement with details to support his contention that Al Hodges is someone worthy of our belief in him. That's fine.* I would have preferred that Robert declared his intentions more straightforwardly. Had he done so, there would have been less misunderstanding of the kind I observed in lovindiamond's comment.
...Warren
*I said it was "fine" for Robert to serve up details that make the case for Al's character. It's good to be reminded of that now and again as we wait the long wait. However, to be fair, there are all kinds of details that are far less comforting and not mentioned in Robert's list. These include letters to the Queen and correspondence with World Reports. And of course there are others. These details require enormous twists and bends in reasoning that not all of the shareholders can justify with assurance.
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Post by marbearcat on Aug 31, 2010 13:34:17 GMT -5
Just some thoughts! Let's think outside the box for a minute, if nearly 4 trillion dollars was paid by the guilty parties to avoid prison time, wouldn't the proof or evidence used to get the agreement made be locked up tight and to never see the light of day?? With that point, wouldn't part of the agreement be to keep all evidence from the courts, you must view the Bivens seperate from the agreement. The Bivens is a case against the individuals of the SEC, the evidence from that meeting was an agreement between the guilty parties (Hedge funds, MM, Brokers, and DTCC) Keep in mind the SEC assisted in the sting. I personally think Maheu made this agreement iron clad and a guaranteed payout, drop dead payouts and that guaranteed payout part of the agreement. Don't you? This Bivens is smoke and mirrors and has no significance in the "IF" category, this is a matter of "WHEN" Timed release! Don, IMHO! Right on! And to further clarify. The powers that paid the 4T don't want the evidence to become public. This is why AH is letting nothing out. These bad guys are putting pressure on the SEC and the DOJ and whom ever else that are trying to stop the release and believe me, these bad guys are who run the country, they got pull. So, if AH were to make the evidence public, he would loose his support. IMO D4E Diamonds, if that is true, bad guys wanting a stop on the release. Who are these bad guys? Are they the ones who paid into the trust? If they paid in, what possible reason do they have to stop payment? Do they think they are going to get a refund? PLEEEEEEEZE! The "Bad Guy Theory" needs some explaning, I don't understand THAT AT ALL.
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Post by goodolboy on Aug 31, 2010 13:37:45 GMT -5
Not directed to anyone specifically. The comment made is equally effective when directed to a pumper as opposed to a basher. Certainly. It could drift either way without propulsion on still waters, and without a prevailing subtle wind of bias from men in black vests... more effective than white, to hide the tell-tale splatter stains of fast food cooking.I was with you up to "men in black vests..." Then you took a left turn to la la land, and for the life of me I can't figure out what the heck you are saying. lol! Suffice it to say, the words written by Robert were applicable not only toward the individual he was calling out as a possible basher. It was just as applicable to him, me, you, Manny, Single and everyone else. I also agree with Warren's assessment in that Robert tends to mislead others (whether intentionally or not, I have no clue) with statements like: "Yes. There are legal documents stating that there is a trust fund." Knowing that the Bivens suit, while being a legal document, is not evidence of the trust's existence by any means he uses it to support his statement. Is there any legitimate legal documentation as to the Trust's existence? No, not that has been made available to anyone including the judge presiding over the case. So, you see how easy it is to "flip" those words around with ease in CMKXLAND? At best, it is a useless means of defending one's personal opinion as it relates to CMKX. At worse, it's designed to create discourse among shareholders while solidifying one's own base. And, neither of which are productive in any fashion.
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Post by deltadon30228 on Aug 31, 2010 14:00:01 GMT -5
Just some thoughts! Let's think outside the box for a minute, if nearly 4 trillion dollars was paid by the guilty parties to avoid prison time, wouldn't the proof or evidence used to get the agreement made be locked up tight and to never see the light of day?? With that point, wouldn't part of the agreement be to keep all evidence from the courts, you must view the Bivens separate from the agreement. The Bivens is a case against the individuals of the SEC, the evidence from that meeting was an agreement between the guilty parties (Hedge funds, MM, Brokers, and DTCC) Keep in mind the SEC assisted in the sting. I personally think Maheu made this agreement iron clad and a guaranteed payout, drop dead payouts and that guaranteed payout part of the agreement. Don't you? This Bivens is smoke and mirrors and has no significance in the "IF" category, this is a matter of "WHEN" Timed release! Don, IMHO! Right on! And to further clarify. The powers that paid the 4T don't want the evidence to become public. This is why AH is letting nothing out. These bad guys are putting pressure on the SEC and the DOJ and whom ever else that are trying to stop the release and believe me, these bad guys are who run the country, they got pull. So, if AH were to make the evidence public, he would loose his support. IMO D4E D4E, There is no more bad guys trying to get our money for now, I'm sure they will try and surface when the company moves forward to get in on the big dig but for now, the only thing that has to do with the bad guys is indictments getting wrapped up on those who are going to jail, they may even be finished now, I think that was one of the things for the delay was letting the DOJ finish indictments. I think many will go to jail well after the payout, just because of the lengthy justice system, once all indictments are finished payout will come. No, I don't know when indictments will be finished, they may already be done. Time will tell. Of course this is just my opinion. Don, IMHO!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2010 14:00:32 GMT -5
Right on! And to further clarify. The powers that paid the 4T don't want the evidence to become public. This is why AH is letting nothing out. These bad guys are putting pressure on the SEC and the DOJ and whom ever else that are trying to stop the release and believe me, these bad guys are who run the country, they got pull. So, if AH were to make the evidence public, he would loose his support. IMO D4E Diamonds, if that is true, bad guys wanting a stop on the release. Who are these bad guys? Are they the ones who paid into the trust? If they paid in, what possible reason do they have to stop payment? Do they think they are going to get a refund? PLEEEEEEEZE! The "Bad Guy Theory" needs some explaning, I don't understand THAT AT ALL. Please re-read what I wrote. The bad guys are trying to get the payment released so the evidence stays under wraps. What do you mean what bad guys? Who do you think runs this country? The pres? heheheh don't make me laugh! Who in their right mind would spend 10mil of their own cash to run a campaign to get a job that only pays 400k a year for four years. The job entails getting ripped to shreads every time you do anything, any ideas you have get shot down by senators and/or congressmen and you can never, ever, have a private life again! The only reason someone would take a job like this is because your hired by the bad guys to do it with the promise of a HUGE payoff after your term is up. Think about it... D4E
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Post by NobleForce2 on Aug 31, 2010 14:03:59 GMT -5
Not directed to anyone specifically. The comment made is equally effective when directed to a pumper as opposed to a basher. So were not allowed to call you a basher but your allowed for some reason on this board to call BH a pumper hmmm?!?! It's only because he lacks introspection. Narcissism is a beast, and is rarely justifiable. lol. Besides, the mods usually don't warn him about anything, but wait until someone says something like you said to give out a warning. He has charmed them, privately, is my guess. Many people don't have adequate experience in dealing with such manipulators...giving him the feeling that his constant negativity is ok, whether he has proof or not. jmo
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Post by Brigantine on Aug 31, 2010 14:08:30 GMT -5
Lest I repeat myself: What I have done though, is gone back and listened to the Court Audio and transcribed portions directly related the collected funds. This is not the entire audio transcription. Only a part. From the illicit court audio: Judge: Who in your analysis is the trustee of the funds? Who holds the funds?
Hodges: There are actually several trustees who hold the funds one of whom is currently the DTCC. I only say that because I know the funds are deposited at the dtcc.
Judge: Spin that out for me. The Acronym
Hodges. The Depository Trust Clearing Corporation. They are the clearing house for all of the financial transactions that happen in the united states.
Judge Private or Public?
Hodges It is a Private company, but they act as a public one, unfortunately.
Judge: What document covers the terms under which they hold those funds?
Hodges: A Trust Agreement.
Judge: Between?
Hodges: Between the people who originally set this up.
Judge: Who are?
Hodges: One of whom was Bob Maheu.
~There is some discussion and background given.
Later... Hodges: That was in fact done. And I have a witness who was there when it was done. They had a room about three times the size of your courtroom in which they had representatives from all these brokerages from all over the world. Who were there, present. They watched a video presentation, because Mr. Maheu as the court may be aware was at one time mostly associated with the cia, all kinds of other...
Judge: I was going to ask you if it was the same Robert Maheu.
Hodges: It is indeed. A gentleman I had opportunity to make acquaintance with in the 70's, to my good fortune.
At any rate, all of these people were accumulated in this room. They were shown a video and a slide presentation of all of the evidence of their wrongdoing. And they were offered an opportunity. You can either step up and sign away your money and pay a reasonable amount for each transaction that you did illegally and improperly or you can walk out of here and get prosecuted and go to jail. Because what you did, was criminal.
And, every single person in that room stepped up and made a deal.
After that time, there became a big conflict between the SEC commissioners and the other governmental entities who were supporting the sec commissioners about who is going to have the right to release this money to the shareholders and when? And my understanding is it went on for some number of months, but ultimately the sec commissioners prevailed and convinced Mr. Maheu and his associates it had to be their decision because only they and the rest of the government could determine when this sting had fulfilled its function.
And that is the basis upon which he gave them, the power about when the money is to be released. And it is my understanding that every trust that is currently being held for of this money is being held by a person who is sworn to observe that requirement, that the SEC or the government or whoever is going to make this payment, goes first.
And as my information is, that it is the SEC commissioners who had this power. That's why they are defendants in this case.
Judge: Let's return to your Bivens theory, it's a taking.
Hodges: It is.
Judge: Why?
Hodges: This money was supposed to be released within a year of the time that the company was originally de-listed. It was originally de-listed in October of 2005. This is now almost October of 2010, some four years past that time. It is a taking only because they refuse only not withstanding information which they have continued to give to various shareholders. They have continued to refuse to release this money. If they don't release the money, then it is a taking. Because they are preventing what is rightfully ours, for us to receive. That's why it is a taking.
Judge: Thank you.
There is 6:01 more that follows, back and forth with the DOJ atty and the wrap. But that is the critical part of the story. I'm just going to make a wild guess here, but I'm thinking the funds have been confirmed. Attorney Al Hodges, officer of the court has said in open court that the funds exist and have been confirmed. To someone who understands what that means, it gives comfort. To the rest of you, you are either too ignorant, illiterate, stubborn or stupid to grasp and acknowledge verifiable truth when you see it.
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