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Post by marbearcat on May 1, 2014 11:37:06 GMT -5
I think you're there one playing semantics. I asked how it applies and you answered with your statement of application and a question--which I answered; no affect on the market. I think your application is amiss and I think the resulting opinion is baseless. You're free to think as you wish. Mox Nix to me. pr If the bivens was hyped to sell shares then it had no effect on my shares value, which is 0 anyway. But the ones who bought into that hype was conned. They were scammed. Though I wasn't affected, it angers me to see that. Doesn't bother you a bit though, does it? Same goes with the dinar, they were scammed. How many cmkx shareholders do you think was conned by the cmkx-dinar connection that Mr. Hodges made, along with his peeps. The Harvs, the pongos, etc. This doesn't bother you? What............ever.
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Post by marbearcat on May 1, 2014 11:40:23 GMT -5
The people who bought those shares, if any were sold, were scammed into buying those shares by the lying of the "We won" But that's ok to you, correct? Sorry, your attempt to convey your opinion as the only one being accurate isn't working--nor is an effort to put words in my mouth. I was clear with what I said. Your statement that "we won" was a lie is your opinion. Your suggestion people were "scammed" (your definition) as a result of their purchasing decisions based on whatever methods they used to make a decision is not only subjective, but also opinion. Did you buy shares based on your reasoning? Did you buy shares from someone other than a regulated brokerage? Were you taken advantage of accordingly? pr I'm not foolish enough to buy a revoked stock. As I've stated many times here, I bought through etrade in the first quarter of 2004.
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Post by marbearcat on May 1, 2014 11:41:47 GMT -5
The people who bought those shares, if any were sold, were scammed into buying those shares by the lying of the "We won" But that's ok to you, correct? If Hodges and the crew were bad people then DOJ would have put a stop to what they were doing... Just like Delidoggggggggggggg.. IMO I don't know, *scratches noggin'* I guess I just worry too much about the shareholders. LOL! >"<
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Post by portrush on May 1, 2014 11:44:03 GMT -5
The Bivens was not hyped to sell shares. It received the scrutiny of government agencies and courts. The dinar purchasers are free people. Investing in foreign currency is a long-established investing method. For years I owned a European currency mutual fund. It performed well. Who is to say the dinar will not prove to be a good investment--you? Me? I have no clue. But I know this; people who make their purchasing decisions based soley on rumor and innuendo from the internet will get the kind of results that are typical from rumor and innuendo. Investing is serious business--not a hobby. If you're basing your opinion from just the "hobby" side of the equation, you have a lot of learning to do...respectfully.
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Post by marbearcat on May 1, 2014 11:50:20 GMT -5
The Bivens was not hyped to sell shares. It received the scrutiny of government agencies and courts. The dinar purchasers are free people. Investing in foreign currency is a long-established investing method. For years I owned a European currency mutual fund. It performed well. Who is to say the dinar will not prove to be a good investment--you? Me? I have no clue. But I know this; people who make their purchasing decisions based soley on rumor and innuendo from the internet will get the kind of results that are typical from rumor and innuendo. Investing is serious business--not a hobby. If you're basing your opinion from just the "hobby" side of the equation, you have a lot of learning to do...respectfully. pr Al linked us to the dinar, THAT was totally irresponsible and bordered on scamming. That "link" had people on other boards wondering if he was in on the dinar scam. And the dinar was used as a scam. How many states warned people in press reports to not fall for it? No one is saying currency trading is bad, saying the dinar was going to reval at the levels that was being tossed out was a blatant SCAM! Thank you. >"<
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Post by portrush on May 1, 2014 11:59:56 GMT -5
The Bivens was not hyped to sell shares. It received the scrutiny of government agencies and courts. The dinar purchasers are free people. Investing in foreign currency is a long-established investing method. For years I owned a European currency mutual fund. It performed well. Who is to say the dinar will not prove to be a good investment--you? Me? I have no clue. But I know this; people who make their purchasing decisions based soley on rumor and innuendo from the internet will get the kind of results that are typical from rumor and innuendo. Investing is serious business--not a hobby. If you're basing your opinion from just the "hobby" side of the equation, you have a lot of learning to do...respectfully. pr Al linked us to the dinar, THAT was totally irresponsible and bordered on scamming. That "link" had people on other boards wondering if he was in on the dinar scam. And the dinar was used as a scam. How many states warned people in press reports to not fall for it? No one is saying currency trading is bad, saying the dinar was going to reval at the levels that was being tossed out was a blatant SCAM! Thank you. >"< Again, this is your opinion. Opinion that I wonder if you can substantiate and only time will tell if you're an investment savant, a good guesser, or dare I suggest it--wrong. Did you buy dinar? Are you fearful for your investment? Are the internet dinar boards where you get the basis for your informed opinion about how blatant things are? You're making statements without substantiation of any sort to back it up. It's conviction--I'm sure of it. You just KNOW you're right--correct? Anyone can see it like you can...why, its so simple! Don't you see...you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing, its just the shoe is on the other foot. You might be right, you could be wrong. Only time will tell. The only thing factual in your responses is that people should not make decisions based on rumor and innuendo. pr
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Post by e362 on May 1, 2014 12:00:08 GMT -5
pr, I think it is self explanatory, but,IF the plaintiffs were selling off when AH was telling everyone we had 'won' or payment was 'imminent' it leads one to believe that the plaintiffs either knew AH was less than truthful or the timeframe as imminent was highly optimistic at best. Why else would someone liquidate shares knowing a "stockplay of a lifetime" that has been long waited for was about to pay off? Why accept .0000? when you knew the brinks truck was backing up shortly? Either way, IF they sold off during the hype it is the classic definition of a pump and dump and that makes the conversation relevant, imho. PS, JWLO, I appreciate you answering me as a friend, because I have no reason to view you as other just because I don't always agree with what you say. I don't see how "pump and dump" applies when a stock was delisted prior. This was delisted long before the Bivens even started. It sounds like sour grapes to me...someone complaining because they now feel stuck like most of us are, waiting for whatever happens to happen. I'm not suggesting you...I'm just saying. I understand the whole concept of "why sell when the Brinks truck is coming?" but when the mortgage is due and you have nothing else--desperate people do desperate things I suppose. I just think digging this up as though its some big "aha" moment is ludicrous. I agree with John, a share is a share if it was bought legally, regardless of whose name owns it, right? Selling them (legally) doesn't affect a company that isn't trading, does it? If John Doe transfers his shares through the TA to Joe Blow, is that illegal? According to SK there are shareholders doing that in enough volume Transfer Online doesn't need to invoice the company any longer...so I assume its above board. I don't think SK would be near any practice that wasn't legit considering the baggage the company is saddled with. One would assume that the law applies equally at all times. While I know several plaintiffs for whom these rumors do not apply, I seem to recall one or two of the initial group who were outspoken about doing so and why. Assuming the law, whatever they did for whatever reason must have been okay to do so. pr pr, There wasn't an aha moment, just no real information of substance to discuss so people are going to find things to talk about in the mean time. So if I understand you correctly, if someone, a plaintiff or not, publicly hypes that payment is imminent and we have won and then proceeds to sell their shares, all or some, to the audience he/she was telling full well knowing there is no imminent payment coming, you feel that does not fall under the understanding of what a pump and dump is? Listed,delisted,legal or illegal it takes real scumbags (excuse the term) to knowingly do something like that to another human being,imo. I fully agree that a share is a share and someone possibly dirty dealing doesn't hurt a non trading company, just the person they are selling to on false information, which to me is the real moral issue. But hey, whats it matter, right, we're delisted.
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Post by John Winston Lennon O'Boogie on May 1, 2014 12:24:02 GMT -5
Again, it comes down to doing your own DD.. And if anyone did a buy when Al made that statement without doing DD, then it is what it is.. Thier own business..
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Post by portrush on May 1, 2014 12:26:01 GMT -5
I don't see how "pump and dump" applies when a stock was delisted prior. This was delisted long before the Bivens even started. It sounds like sour grapes to me...someone complaining because they now feel stuck like most of us are, waiting for whatever happens to happen. I'm not suggesting you...I'm just saying. I understand the whole concept of "why sell when the Brinks truck is coming?" but when the mortgage is due and you have nothing else--desperate people do desperate things I suppose. I just think digging this up as though its some big "aha" moment is ludicrous. I agree with John, a share is a share if it was bought legally, regardless of whose name owns it, right? Selling them (legally) doesn't affect a company that isn't trading, does it? If John Doe transfers his shares through the TA to Joe Blow, is that illegal? According to SK there are shareholders doing that in enough volume Transfer Online doesn't need to invoice the company any longer...so I assume its above board. I don't think SK would be near any practice that wasn't legit considering the baggage the company is saddled with. One would assume that the law applies equally at all times. While I know several plaintiffs for whom these rumors do not apply, I seem to recall one or two of the initial group who were outspoken about doing so and why. Assuming the law, whatever they did for whatever reason must have been okay to do so. pr pr, There wasn't an aha moment, just no real information of substance to discuss so people are going to find things to talk about in the mean time. So if I understand you correctly, if someone, a plaintiff or not, publicly hypes that payment is imminent and we have won and then proceeds to sell their shares, all or some, to the audience he/she was telling full well knowing there is no imminent payment coming, you feel that does not fall under the understanding of what a pump and dump is? Listed,delisted,legal or illegal it takes real scumbags (excuse the term) to knowingly do something like that to another human being,imo. I fully agree that a share is a share and someone possibly dirty dealing doesn't hurt a non trading company, just the person they are selling to on false information, which to me is the real moral issue. But hey, whats it matter, right, we're delisted. Just to be candid, I've seen nothing to substantiate a connection between the cause and effect as you propose concerning those mentioned. None. It all appears as conjecture, regardless. I think it is being driven by blind rage fueled by those with a propensity to bend truth to serve an agenda. I am willing to be educated differently, but so far its not there. Could it have happened? Maybe, but there are other stories out there too that people seem to gloss over. Plus, I probably place a fair amount of responsibility on the purchaser. Basing a purchase on rumor/innuendo does not make for a smart decision. That said, to a great extent that's what appears to have happened to all honest shareholders who bought into the company based on maps and claims, races and the Dr D's of the world. I remember one shareholder (at a race) who moderates a CMKX board driving people into the CMKX trailer to hear Dr D with the fervor of a carnival barker at the county fair. The hype was there, to be sure. But the onus to make the purchase is on the buyer. If this turns out to be a flop, I'll be the first to laugh at myself. Yes, laugh. The time to cry over the money has long passed. This does not negate the emotion that comes from learning someone intentioned to take advantage of another. Frankly, such activity is frequent in our society and I'm outraged by it. But I find it surprising that anyone who would knowingly pump a stock for the purpose of selling his/her shares to the detriment of others would remain around the very crowd he/she sold it to--years later--much less make his/her whereabouts publicly known and readily accessible (within reason) to many who have reached out in a friendly manner. I don't buy it. You would think they would be long gone and nearly invisible and that's not the case. As John asserts, the Gov didn't seem to waste their efforts on Glisson, I would assume any others similarly guilty would be handled by them as well. I could be wrong, time will tell. pr
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Post by John Winston Lennon O'Boogie on May 1, 2014 12:28:18 GMT -5
As far as Casavant's camp goes. We know nothing of why he did what he did. He and the rest were never taken before the Judge. It couldn't be a pump and dump if the doors are still open..
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Post by portrush on May 1, 2014 12:36:23 GMT -5
As far as Casavant's camp goes. We know nothing of why he did what he did. He and the rest were never taken before the Judge. It couldn't be a pump and dump if the doors are still open.. Perhaps the reason for NHHI? A break from the past and a new slate moving forward. pr
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Post by e362 on May 1, 2014 13:44:50 GMT -5
[/quote] Just to be candid, I've seen nothing to substantiate a connection between the cause and effect as you propose concerning those mentioned. None. It all appears as conjecture, regardless. I think it is being driven by blind rage fueled by those with a propensity to bend truth to serve an agenda. I am willing to be educated differently, but so far its not there. Could it have happened? Maybe, but there are other stories out there too that people seem to gloss over. Plus, I probably place a fair amount of responsibility on the purchaser. Basing a purchase on rumor/innuendo does not make for a smart decision. That said, to a great extent that's what appears to have happened to all honest shareholders who bought into the company based on maps and claims, races and the Dr D's of the world. I remember one shareholder (at a race) who moderates a CMKX board driving people into the CMKX trailer to hear Dr D with the fervor of a carnival barker at the county fair. The hype was there, to be sure. But the onus to make the purchase is on the buyer. If this turns out to be a flop, I'll be the first to laugh at myself. Yes, laugh. The time to cry over the money has long passed. This does not negate the emotion that comes from learning someone intentioned to take advantage of another. Frankly, such activity is frequent in our society and I'm outraged by it. But I find it surprising that anyone who would knowingly pump a stock for the purpose of selling his/her shares to the detriment of others would remain around the very crowd he/she sold it to--years later--much less make his/her whereabouts publicly known and readily accessible (within reason) to many who have reached out in a friendly manner. I don't buy it. You would think they would be long gone and nearly invisible and that's not the case. As John asserts, the Gov didn't seem to waste their efforts on Glisson, I would assume any others similarly guilty would be handled by them as well. I could be wrong, time will tell.
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If there is one thing I can agree on is that truth bending to fit ones agenda is this stocks strong suit. Furthermore,I fully agree the onus is on the buyer and never said otherwise, I just believe that no matter how responsible the buyer is, the scamming seller should never be left to rest easy. You "find it surprising that anyone who would knowingly pump a stock for the purpose of selling his/her shares to the detriment of others would remain around the very crowd he/she sold it to--years later--much less make his/her whereabouts publicly known and readily accessible (within reason) to many who have reached out in a friendly manner. I don't buy it. "I will simply defer to UC/JE and their crew until they fled the country once the gig was up and Deli who took full advantage of the lawsuit and its erroneous updates to spur sales until he was caught. I have absolutely zero doubts he spilled his guts on his operation and who was involved as part of his plea agreement to stay out ofjail coupled with the 4+ million dollar fine and look forward to finding out the next dominoes to fall. As you said time will tell andI cant imagine those involved are not waiting for the well deserved knock on the door. Anyway, glty, and to the rest of us that hope SK can pull a rabbit out of his hat.
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Post by Ed Jagacki on May 1, 2014 14:02:02 GMT -5
E362:
"I just believe that no matter how responsible the buyer is, the scamming seller should never be left to rest easy."
No matter where our perspective lies on: - who did what to who - who are the bad guys - who are the good guys - will we ever see "the money" - what ever happened to "Boston Legal" (oops! Never mind that one)
I would think that we can ALL agree with that statement.
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Post by portrush on May 1, 2014 17:07:03 GMT -5
Anyway, glty, and to the rest of us that hope SK can pull a rabbit out of his hat. And to you, e3. Make it a great weekend coming up! pr
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on May 7, 2014 19:31:11 GMT -5
#2013885 cmkxinfoBOMB 8 hours ago
Why are shareholders who demand the truth not Asking Steve Kirkpatrick to fix the doctored trading data our company knowingly entered into their law suits?
It's amazing how simple this is, if that data was fixed it would prove the largest naked short in history, it's like our own CEO and many posters on different boards are purposely trying to cover up the facts. I guess there is only a handful of real shareholders on the boards.
I remember Jerry Kozic wrote demand letters to the board and they had to respond, we should just demand that they fix the trading records
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