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Post by vulcanized crawler on Feb 10, 2021 17:03:08 GMT -5
i checked with justin in nevada asking if i was on the list as i havent gotten any news in at least a decade. he looked me and family up.... (my son went to LV with me when he was 6 in 2004...he's 23 now)... and said yes i was on the harmed investor list. i know i sent in paper work or whtaever yrs ago. i also sent copies of certs to tyler texas and online in portland, oregon. i told him i had original certs. he said there were over 1000 submissions from potential victims being reviewed. only that many? and i was good to go. he gave me a telephone number to straighten out my password for checking in or listening in, as i have lost all that. i used to get notices and i did use my pw to get on the web site. where that is? no idea. so that is the news i got last monday
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Post by portrush on Feb 10, 2021 17:13:25 GMT -5
Hey all! It has been a long time... 10 years? A couple of concerns with some recent posts on this topic: If Casavant's story was all made up to entice people to buy shares, all in order to trap shorty in his position, how could you exclude ANY of them from restitution? Wouldn't that essentially equate to manipulation? If this USAO LV effort to seek impacted shareholders was merely done with a simple "blog" post on an obscure website, and announcing a cold deadline, wouldn't that be an injustice to people without the knowledge of that website? Those folks who're out of the loop? What happened to "if you in, you win..." If it's believed that the FBI is vetting shareholders for proof of ownership/purchase, have you or anyone you know been contacted by the FBI in this manner? Thanks! one Couple things: (not directed to you, but about your comments in general) First, just to reiterate...the comment about Casavant's role is theory. If we had a dime for every theory shared over the years Manny would be able to drive something other than a Yugo. Second, in relation to your comment above that I've highlighted in yellow: this is where stormgrey is spot-on-- it is up to the shareholder to stay abreast of his/her own investment. The fact is, the DOJ addressed this very question several years ago with the court and the court allowed the DOJ's request. I know, I know...many people don't have the time to keep up with the announcements. Those who don't read the boards, or didn't sign up for the VIN/PIN system initially would not have received the email. But if you had, you'd have the info from 2009. I'll post for your convenience and subsequent understanding...but note, the Gov was on top of this when many of us were not and the court did NOT deny their request. I think the DOJ announcements on their website now are a direct result of this ruling. They're not doing anything they didn't inform us they would look to do. Many of us weren't paying attention. Who's to blame for that? 
Case 2:09-cr-00132-JAD-EJY Document 51 Filed 10/08/09 Motion: UNITED STATES’ PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE VICTIM NOTIFICATION PROCEDURES “The scope and size of this scheme is, in many respects, a testament to modern communications and—in particular—the world wide web. Many investors in this scheme learned of CMKM through internet communications and blogs. Traveling at light speed, rumor and misinformation on the world wide web fueled speculation regarding the company’s prospects and value and helped create a market for its stock. The world wide web has also been the medium of choice for many aggrieved investors, as websites and blogs devoted to CMKM abound. Moreover, the officers of the enduring CMKM corporation maintain a website and communicate with shareholders via the internet. The UNITED STATES requests authorization from the Court to communicate with and provide notification to the pool of potential victims through this medium. More specifically, the current management of CMKM has agreed to cooperate in this matter by posting on CMKM’s own website, information and links to the U.S. Attorney’s Office public website.
In turn, the UNITED STATES proposes on the U.S. Attorney’s Office public website the Superseding Indictment and significant pleadings, forms for communication and conferral, and notice of events and hearings. The proposed notice will provide the following information regarding this case: 1. The names of the defendants, the case number and charges; 2. All of the victim rights codified at 18 U.S.C. § 3771(a); 3. The identity of the prosecutors; 4. The identity and contact telephone numbers of Victim Witness Coordinator; In addition, the UNITED STATES proposes to post a web-based questionnaire. This questionnaire will allow for the orderly collection of certain victim information, help authenticate those who are actual victims and give the tens of thousands of victims an opportunity to describe their plight to government attorneys.”
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Post by onelove on Feb 10, 2021 17:38:57 GMT -5
Thanks, portrush. I would not even know where to look for that announcement. It seems that final bold yellow statement describes what came out to us in November. Seems unfair that missing that deadline by a day or two would disqualify anyone.
Vulcanized crawler mentioned the Tyler task force cert count and the registration with TO. Both of these were completed by us here.
Am I wrong by sensing the general consensus is, "If you missed that one month period after 15 years, you are SOL...."?
EDIT: I do understand that it is an investor's own responsibility, so without beating that deadhorse, my concern is am I S.O.L. because I missed the deadline by mere days and haven't heard anything back? Or am I good to go because I mailed/emailed everything else that had been requested over that past 1.5 decades? Surely, I am not the only one here with these questions.. I'm just the guy who put his neck out there to ask them. Please, stay cordial. I'm not attacking anyone, spreading rumors, raising a ruckus. I appreciate these boards and everyone's input, but it kind of seems I'm a target simply for asking.
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Post by hurtsogood on Feb 10, 2021 17:48:05 GMT -5
I had Ameritrade and cannot provide my exact dates of purchase and price for shares since they only keep records for seven years. I do not buy that this will exclude me from being compensated. I have 2 cim dividends which are proof I purchased within the time frames that are acceptable. time will tell.
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Post by portrush on Feb 10, 2021 19:22:38 GMT -5
EDIT: I do understand that it is an investor's own responsibility, so without beating that deadhorse, my concern is am I S.O.L. because I missed the deadline by mere days and haven't heard anything back? Unfortunately no one here can answer that definitively. Were I in your shoes, I would be calling them or reaching out to ask about the VIS form. (Victim Impact Statement). Fill it out and send it in. At some point they're going to have to have a deadline it seems and say "no more." I mean, it's been close to 5 months I think. At some point it also seems they're going to have to address the largesse of the shareholder base beyond only the ones in their VIS files. In my mind I can see them making restitution for those that prove their loss and file the claim as asked. Does that negate anything for everyone who can't, or didn't? I don't know. Seems reasonable that they would then (after compensating losses for the harmed) issue something to the SH base as a whole. But that's the frustrating part about this venture...no one knows for certain and no one at the DOJ will say explicitly. Take the steps you can and at least you've provided all you have. Remember: Kirkpatrick said long ago (couple years now) that the DOJ was dividing the shareholders into two groups...harmed/unharmed. He claimed he didn't know what differentiated the two. He also claimed that no one would get anything anyway. But now we know that the DOJ Judge has said there is a restitution payment coming. Someone else stated they heard shares bought pre-April 2008 are considered harmed and any afterward are not. Why, I have no idea. It's CMKX. I think most have learned to take nothing at face value and nothing for granted. Do what you can, is my advice...for what little it may be worth. I'm nobody special--just a shareholder waiting like all the rest. |
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Post by Treadstone on Feb 10, 2021 21:18:38 GMT -5
EDIT: I do understand that it is an investor's own responsibility, so without beating that deadhorse, my concern is am I S.O.L. because I missed the deadline by mere days and haven't heard anything back? Unfortunately no one here can answer that definitively. Were I in your shoes, I would be calling them or reaching out to ask about the VIS form. (Victim Impact Statement). Fill it out and send it in. At some point they're going to have to have a deadline it seems and say "no more." I mean, it's been close to 5 months I think. At some point it also seems they're going to have to address the largesse of the shareholder base beyond only the ones in their VIS files. In my mind I can see them making restitution for those that prove their loss and file the claim as asked. Does that negate anything for everyone who can't, or didn't? I don't know. Seems reasonable that they would then (after compensating losses for the harmed) issue something to the SH base as a whole. But that's the frustrating part about this venture...no one knows for certain and no one at the DOJ will say explicitly. Take the steps you can and at least you've provided all you have. Remember: Kirkpatrick said long ago (couple years now) that the DOJ was dividing the shareholders into two groups...harmed/unharmed. He claimed he didn't know what differentiated the two. He also claimed that no one would get anything anyway. But now we know that the DOJ Judge has said there is a restitution payment coming. Someone else stated they heard shares bought pre-April 2008 are considered harmed and any afterward are not. Why, I have no idea. It's CMKX. I think most have learned to take nothing at face value and nothing for granted. Do what you can, is my advice...for what little it may be worth. I'm nobody special--just a shareholder waiting like all the rest. Thanks Portrush for your posts and explanations. Much appreciated. Hopefully we get some kind of an announcement from DOJ next week. Take care. |
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Post by justiceforall on Feb 10, 2021 22:56:33 GMT -5
I had Ameritrade and cannot provide my exact dates of purchase and price for shares since they only keep records for seven years. I do not buy that this will exclude me from being compensated. I have 2 cim dividends which are proof I purchased within the time frames that are acceptable. time will tell. Ameritrade (now TD Ameritrade) does in fact allow search history. There’s a show more link to the history of all securities transactions. I was in there earlier today to verify this as I also have/had them as a broker. |
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Post by debintex on Feb 11, 2021 3:46:32 GMT -5
Portrush said:
“Someone else stated they heard shares bought pre-April 2008 are considered harmed and any afterward are not. Why, I have no idea.”
Hi Port,
The April 2008 date only applies to Global Diamond Exchange stock purchases. I copied this from an email I got from the DOJ last October. Notice what the last line states and then look at time frames.
“In contrast, the superseding criminal indictment in the Edwards case charged a more clearly defined group of defendants: specific insiders who engaged in fraud through shell companies. Specifically, between approximately May 1997 and April 2008, the defendants used various shell companies – including Pinnacle Business Management, Inc. (May 1997 to December 2003); CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (November 2002 to October 2005); St. George Metals, Inc. (July 2004 to July 2005); and Global Diamond Exchange, Inc. (November 2005 to April 2008) – to defraud purchasers of stock in those companies. The defendants secretly authorized increases in the number of available shares and falsely represented or hid the true number of shares from investors. At the same time, the conspirators issued billions of shares to themselves through affiliates. By falsely claiming that these shares had not been issued to company affiliates, the conspirators were able to sell these shares without restrictions imposed by law. By issuing false and misleading press releases regarding the companies’ business activities, the defendants were able to drive up demand for the companies’ stock while selling their shares at a profit.
If you purchased shares of stock in any of the above-mentioned entities during the identified time frames, you may be entitled to restitution.”
deb’
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Post by stormgrey on Feb 11, 2021 8:11:38 GMT -5
Portrush said:“Someone else stated they heard shares bought pre-April 2008 are considered harmed and any afterward are not. Why, I have no idea.”
Hi Port,
The April 2008 date only applies to Global Diamond Exchange stock purchases. I copied this from an email I got from the DOJ last October. Notice what the last line states and then look at time frames.“In contrast, the superseding criminal indictment in the Edwards case charged a more clearly defined group of defendants: specific insiders who engaged in fraud through shell companies. Specifically, between approximately May 1997 and April 2008, the defendants used various shell companies – including Pinnacle Business Management, Inc. (May 1997 to December 2003); CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (November 2002 to October 2005); St. George Metals, Inc. (July 2004 to July 2005); and Global Diamond Exchange, Inc. (November 2005 to April 2008) – to defraud purchasers of stock in those companies. The defendants secretly authorized increases in the number of available shares and falsely represented or hid the true number of shares from investors. At the same time, the conspirators issued billions of shares to themselves through affiliates. By falsely claiming that these shares had not been issued to company affiliates, the conspirators were able to sell these shares without restrictions imposed by law. By issuing false and misleading press releases regarding the companies’ business activities, the defendants were able to drive up demand for the companies’ stock while selling their shares at a profit. If you purchased shares of stock in any of the above-mentioned entities during the identified time frames, you may be entitled to restitution.”deb’ Good point Deb! |
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Post by mr777 on Feb 11, 2021 8:16:19 GMT -5
.01 cent would work for me! , I would be very happy if I get my investment back |
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Post by stormgrey on Feb 11, 2021 9:43:51 GMT -5
.01 cent would work for me! , I would be very happy if I get my investment back Not me..... that would be a "better than nothing" situation for me, which does not come close to being equivalent to "very happy". |
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Post by portrush on Feb 11, 2021 10:45:22 GMT -5
The April 2008 date only applies to Global Diamond Exchange stock purchases. That's Deb! Appreciate that very much. I'll stop saying that so I don't confuse folks. This is a giant hairball of rumor, innuendo, and mis/disinfo already. I certainly don't want to add to it. Just trying to help people find the way towards restitution. |
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Post by cmkxsince2003 on Feb 11, 2021 11:00:36 GMT -5
The best thing to keep emotions in check is to not anticipate anything. Just go by 'What is". Nothing more. Nothing less. And the 'What is" right now is that we've had communication of a virtual town hall in mid-Feb. We're approaching that timeline.
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Post by Walking Tall on Feb 11, 2021 13:10:56 GMT -5
, I would be very happy if I get my investment back Not me..... that would be a "better than nothing" situation for me, which does not come close to being equivalent to "very happy". Lord no, don't say things like that. ha. Real damage has been done to our ability to invest honestly and see our money grow and then let us choose when to get out or not, so to me that amount would be unacceptable. |
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Post by smeagle on Feb 11, 2021 14:41:14 GMT -5
Someone else stated they heard shares bought pre-April 2008 are considered harmed and any afterward are not. Why, I have no idea. Per the September 21, 2009 press release:
"The Superseding Indictment alleges that from about September 2001 to March 2009, the
defendants conspired to sell unregistered stock and stock certificates of CMKM Diamonds,
Inc.(CMKM) by using the mails, wire services, over the counter stock exchanges, and other means of
interstate commerce. The defendants also are alleged to have used manipulative and deceptive
devices to sell CMKM stock and stock certificates."
"Bagley, doing business as 1 Global Stock Transfer LLC, st thereafter issued hundreds of
billions of shares of CMKM stock to the conspirators’ nominees, alter-egos associates and strawpurchasers.
Most of these shares of CMKM stock were not registered with the SEC and the share
certificates should have borne restrictive legends declaring that the shares were un registered and
could not be sold to the public."
Given all this, I assume if you bought via a broker prior to revocation in October 2005 and received your cert, then you are a harmed investor?
If you were one of the ones who bought between October 2005 and March 2009 and those stocks were not registered with SEC, then you were unharmed?
Or it could be the other way around, who knows and if so then maybe us with certs were not harmed? I hope not. All will agree, we were definitely harmed.
Or could be considered harmed based on how you bought shares as many were sold as "unregistered stock' and also "stock certificates" from Sept 2001 to March 2009 via many means.
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