DOJ VNS/Town Hall UPDATE: MAY 28.

[moneybelt]

I registered with DOJ back in 2005, I got a pin, and lost it doing the many years. After we were told that we had a Transfer Agent ( First Global) I believe, I just figured that they had all our information and any communication would be thought them, and I didn't need a pin. I do believe that the DTCC was paying for the Transfer Agent until they didn't need to hold the shares for records after they made payment in 2018.

[portrush]

Feb 4, 2021 20:29:49 GMT -5 moneybelt said:

I registered with DOJ back in 2005, I got a pin, and lost it doing the many years. After we were told that we had a Transfer Agent ( First Global) I believe, I just figured that they had all our information and any communication would be thought them, and I didn't need a pin. I do believe that the DTCC was paying for the Transfer Agent until they didn't need to hold the shares for records after they made payment in 2018.

Up to you of course, but the DOJ announcements haven't mentioned anything about involving info to/from any transfer agent, past or present. If you signed up for the VNS and have lost your PIN you might consider reaching out to to the DOJ VNS program directly and inquiring about it. From much of what they've posted it seems that program is integral to what is going on and absent a VIN/PIN, then in the least proof of ownership and purchase price may be required.

Many have reported being unable to acquire purchase records from their brokerage as some only keep record back so far--7 years I believe. (don't quote me on that--check it out with your brokerage) How it will be handled no one has said. I keep my finance records...feel sorry for those that didn't, but I get it--its very much a lottery ticket mindset.

This is not a civil lawsuit they're providing restitution for--it is a criminal suit. Therefore you have to prove you've been harmed and to what extent. Many have certs for shares they did not purchase. Were they harmed? Logic says no, only the original purchaser...hence the need for proof of what was paid. THAT is the level of one's harm. We could be surprised, but many don't think we will be...this is ONLY about the criminal side and not the civil action attempted by Hodges or any others. AKA "the big bucks."

Some have even said not to accept this restitution even if you qualify. Um, that would be your own call as well. I wish no ill will towards anyone, but if there is a pool for restitution and people opt to not file a claim because they believe someone on the internet said not to...I surely hope they divide the restitution pool among only those that did file and do qualify. Selfish? I don't see it that way. It's a matter of math. If 100 people have the opportunity to split $1000 and only 70 people step up to claim it, then the $1000 should be divided among the 70 and the 30 who opted to ignore it would be left out.

[lewis12]

I just emailed Veronica and asked if she could check on my Victim status and this is what she replied with:

Mr. *******

I don’t have any documents from you. Please send whatever you have. Today is the last day that we are receiving any documents. Thanks


Does she mean a copy of my cert? Bank/trading records (definitely don't have those)? that generic form or what? What all did everyone else send in and can I copy your homework?

[sandman]

Feb 5, 2021 14:04:08 GMT -5 lewis12 said:

I just emailed Veronica and asked if she could check on my Victim status and this is what she replied with:

Mr. *******

I don’t have any documents from you. Please send whatever you have. Today is the last day that we are receiving any documents. Thanks


Does she mean a copy of my cert? Bank/trading records (definitely don't have those)? that generic form or what? What all did everyone else send in and can I copy your homework?

What I believe she's trying to say ,is they didn't receive the two forms that was emailed to you and your copy of your cert. This is the procedure that I followed . I hope that helps.
Sandman

[cmkxsince2003]

I also have those worthless/un-tradable shares of CIM rotting away in my account. I'd imagine many others do too. That's got to be a bit of proof of purchase. Those delidog people can't possibly have them, no?

[clay1999]

I have 12 million shares of CMKX and 0 of CIM I never got them I hope I don't miss out on something

[msteflov]

I have been onboard since 2003, have been watching all the boards for too many years.

I registered recently.

Saw post from earlier today regarding DOJ's Veronica stating today cutoff. I never signed up with them, so contacted her today.

This is response I got...odd she mentions an "FBI investigation". I politely asked her to allow me till Monday to send in all required documentation, I did send her copies of my certs this afternoon, hopefully as my placeholder. Don't know if she will?




On Friday, February 5, 2021, 04:43:04 PM EST, Criste, Veronica (USANV) <[e-mail]> wrote:

Mr. Steflov*****,

In order to place your information under FBI investigation, I will need proof of loss, certificate, receipts, etc. Today is the last day that we are receiving those documents. Thanks

[portrush]

This is a criminal case and fraudulent activity took place around the certing and sales of shares. Allegedly. Many surmise the FBI involvement, which was part of the initial announcement, is to insure those filing a claim are legitimately able to make such claim. If true, that’s a good thing for those of us who are and who’ve been hanging around as long as we have.

[davidkimmer]

I tried contacting Veronica for approx. a week. No response. Finally I received this response from Justin Bagoyo. The first paragraph implies it's not too late to be put on the Victims List.


Bagoyo, Justin (USANV) <[e-mail]>
Feb 5, 2021, 5:31 PM (19 hours ago)


Hello, thank you for your email. The paragraph below is the latest update we have on this case and I advise you to attend the virtual townhall for more information to help you understand the process and eligibility to be put in to the Victim Notification System. Take care.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office will host a virtual town hall in mid-February for victims in this case to describe the current status of the criminal case and explain the upcoming restitution process. The link to the virtual town hall will be available on this webpage in early February. Review of the more than 1,000 submissions from potential victims in this case is ongoing. If the FBI requires any further information from a victim, they will contact that person using the contact information provided on the victim impact statement.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office provided an update on this webpage:



www.justice.gov/usao/nv/programs_caseupdate_cmkm.html





Justin Bagoyo

Victim Witness Specialist

United States Attorney’s Office – District of Nevada

501 Las Vegas Blvd, South, Suite 1100

Las Vegas, NV 89101

702-388-6691 – Direct Line

[e-mail]

[moneybelt]

After 16 years, I just think that any Government alphabet that wanted or needed our information have what ever they want. Any other communication will have go thought the Transfer Agent.

[portrush]

Justin and Veronica work in the same area, hearing from one is like hearing from the other...so a response from either is good news for those wanting info.

Re-reading this for the umpteenth time it finally dawns on me that this town hall will likely be info-only, not closure related. Meaning, I’m not sure we will know how much or when after this town hall is over. I’m going to manage my expectations ahead of time because surely I’m not alone in wishing there would be some finality to this upcoming announcement.

Time will tell I suppose and until then, we wait.

I’m tired of waiting.

[ohiogirl]

Me too Port.

[portrush]

Feb 6, 2021 14:15:55 GMT -5 moneybelt said:

After 16 years, I just think that any Government alphabet that wanted or needed our information have what ever they want. Any other communication will have go thought the Transfer Agent.

Sounds reasonable. But do you really trust the competency? Filling out the VNS Claim form took 3 minutes. Finding proof of my purchase (brokerage statement) took 30 minutes. A minute to fax and I was done. Didn’t hurt none either, as they say. I know it’s just my opinion but standing ground on principle vs the effort it takes just didn’t square, so I sent it in. And I’ve had a VIN/PIN for years. All they sent back was a confirmation of the same numbers.

[stockrich]

Feb 6, 2021 18:11:48 GMT -5 portrush said:

Justin and Veronica work in the same area, hearing from one is like hearing from the other...so a response from either is good news for those wanting info.

Re-reading this for the umpteenth time it finally dawns on me that this town hall will likely be info-only, not closure related. Meaning, I’m not sure we will know how much or when after this town hall is over. I’m going to manage my expectations ahead of time because surely I’m not alone in wishing there would be some finality to this upcoming announcement.

Time will tell I suppose and until then, we wait.

I’m tired of waiting.

To me, it seems like they're trying [hoping]...or, how about 'working towards' creating and enviroment where only 'approved shareholders' hear the specifics of the case and restitution details.
For the DOJ, worst case scenario might be someone who doesn't make the cut getting on the internet and blabbing about "...the injustice of it all. And how they're being cheated." Right now, it's not exactly a NDA, but it does seem like they're trying to control the narrative.

[portrush]

It won’t be long and the US Attorney on our case, Trutanich, will be asked to quit. He was appointed by Trump. Then if history repeats itself we will experience delay until another is appointed by the new administration. Then a delay while that one gets caught up on details, and then who knows what will be next.