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Post by grouse87 on Feb 9, 2021 18:18:33 GMT -5
The email I received, said to attend the town hall meeting,and it will explain everything! Hopefully everyone will be compansated,as long as they bought shares. If you registered shares with the Transfer Agent,that should be good enough! I hope! Lol. Good luck everyone! Well I'm of the belief you had to submit your proof of damages to be eligible for restitution, especially in light of the fact that CMKM is not a publicly trading company and nobody else is responsible for monitoring it than those who purchased it. No different than purchasing anything defective and having to file a claim for damages through CAL or other means. Besides, time and time again it has been mentioned by the DOJ office in Nevada that you had to submit your proof and then be vetted by the FBI to be added to the victim list. I seriously doubt the FBI is going to vette 50,000+ shareholders around the world and try to verify their purchases without having any of the requested info. Good thing is we have only a small wait to find out.. |
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Post by grouse87 on Feb 9, 2021 18:23:26 GMT -5
Stormgrey, your probably right! I'm just showing the email I got! They could very well tell us the same thing you just said. I do wish I would've gotten on that list, to better my chances! What it is,is what it is! I would really be surprised it's anything substantial anyway!! Good luck!
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Post by mr777 on Feb 10, 2021 4:43:59 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Judge Hicks told Matt Kulig that funds for restitution had been collected and they would be setting up this process. Here we are.  Hi Portrush, Will they distribute only the money collected or they will add more from somewhere, any thoughts. Regards, |
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Post by portrush on Feb 10, 2021 11:25:59 GMT -5
Needless to say, no one knows for sure. That includes how much, or from where. This is a criminal trial--not the civil action that Hodges and others may have attempted. I do remember SK and others saying (emphatically) nothing is coming and never will. And now...well, here we are. As John says; we know they know we exist. I've heard the theory that everything we learned of the Casavant story was fiction, but everything from the Maheu side was not. The implication being, the Casavant story was the fuel to ignite the velocity of trades that eventually caused the "sting" to expose who was laundering money through the pinks and who was guilty of a FTD status for their brokerage. IF all that were true and subsequently considered "criminal"...and the Maheu story of collecting fines and penalties from sources who took advantage of shareholders was also true--then might those fines and penalties be included in this restitution process? After all, selling that which you don't have isn't legal nor is laundering money. Racketeering I believe they call it. Either way, it does seem to open up the question; will this be all there is? Most realize there will never be an admission of guilt from the brokerage side and how could there be? The markets would melt worldwide (IMO) if counterfeiting shares was a known practice and admission was made. So it will be interesting to see what this restitution is tied to and subsequently how much comes from it. Many will argue this of course. Opinions run deep and are tethered tightly. I've tried to keep a loosened grip. The money has been spent, it wasn't insignificant but isn't life-changing either...and so many, many years have gone by. That said, closure would surely be welcomed. |
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Post by grouse87 on Feb 10, 2021 13:37:11 GMT -5
Maybe, we'll all be surprised,and receive .54 cents a share!! LMAO. It's incredible to think of how long ago I purchased those 14 million shares. I don't even remember how much I spent! I think it was 2003 , maybe earlier. Remember Sterling? I think he is on a board I'm on now. I should ask him if he's heard anything lately! I might even have to breakout my CMKX funny car and dragster ,I bought from Walmart. Still in the box!! Probably worth more than my shares! Lol
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Post by stormgrey on Feb 10, 2021 13:57:11 GMT -5
Maybe, we'll all be surprised,and receive .54 cents a share!! LMAO. It's incredible to think of how long ago I purchased those 14 million shares. I don't even remember how much I spent! I think it was 2003 , maybe earlier. Remember Sterling? I think he is on a board I'm on now. I should ask him if he's heard anything lately! I might even have to breakout my CMKX funny car and dragster ,I bought from Walmart. Still in the box!! Probably worth more than my shares! Lol I seriously doubt it's necessary for the FBI to inspect shareholders proof of ownership for mere peanuts...... .01/share for me is a homerun, but I suspect it's much more than that. |
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Post by grouse87 on Feb 10, 2021 14:01:03 GMT -5
.01 cent would work for me!
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Post by onelove on Feb 10, 2021 15:10:39 GMT -5
Hey all! It has been a long time... 10 years?
A couple of concerns with some recent posts on this topic:
If Casavant's story was all made up to entice people to buy shares, all in order to trap shorty in his position, how could you exclude ANY of them from restitution? Wouldn't that essentially equate to manipulation?
If this USAO LV effort to seek impacted shareholders was merely done with a simple "blog" post on an obscure website, and announcing a cold deadline, wouldn't that be an injustice to people without the knowledge of that website? Those folks who're out of the loop? What happened to "if you in, you win..."
If it's believed that the FBI is vetting shareholders for proof of ownership/purchase, have you or anyone you know been contacted by the FBI in this manner?
Thanks!
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Post by stormgrey on Feb 10, 2021 15:30:08 GMT -5
Hey all! It has been a long time... 10 years? A couple of concerns with some recent posts on this topic: If Casavant's story was all made up to entice people to buy shares, all in order to trap shorty in his position, how could you exclude ANY of them from restitution? Wouldn't that essentially equate to manipulation? If this USAO LV effort to seek impacted shareholders was merely done with a simple "blog" post on an obscure website, and announcing a cold deadline, wouldn't that be an injustice to people without the knowledge of that website? Those folks who're out of the loop? What happened to "if you in, you win..." If it's believed that the FBI is vetting shareholders for proof of ownership/purchase, have you or anyone you know been contacting by the FBI in this manner? Thanks! one Who knows who all will be included in the end? We'll just have to wait and see. Nobody here knows for certain. That being said, it's an investor's own responsibility to keep abreast of their investments. If they are "out of the loop" and didn't keep up with CMKM by using the Internet or calling their Brokerage firms, who should be responsible for them? If they were capable of purchasing shares, they should be capable of keeping track of them just as 8-9 thousand of us have. It's not believed the FBI is vetting shareholders, the DOJ stated they were. Good luck to is all! |
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Post by onelove on Feb 10, 2021 15:48:46 GMT -5
Thanks for replying stormgrey!
Wait and see sounds fine, we're all so well-practiced at that.
I definitely hear you on that "own responsibility" sentiments. Though, we have been told repeatedly that this is done, dead, over with, to move on, it was a scam, etc. Whatever evidence of the truth to CMKX that exists has backed those statements up. We've also been told we won, if you're in you win, "buy a trust of your own", global resets, etc. Nothing I've seen has made any of that believable. But MANY people did believe it. "If you're in, you win" isn't really telling people to stay abreast of rumors. Rumors are all we've had as far as information regarding our investments. This idea of "missing the boat" is not going to go over well, I promise you that.
As for the FBI question, I was responding to this: "Besides, time and time again it has been mentioned by the DOJ office in Nevada that you had to submit your proof and then be vetted by the FBI to be added to the victim list." Has anyone ACTUALLY been contacted by the FBI?
Cheers!
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Post by onelove on Feb 10, 2021 15:53:18 GMT -5
Hey all! It has been a long time... 10 years? A couple of concerns with some recent posts on this topic: If Casavant's story was all made up to entice people to buy shares, all in order to trap shorty in his position, how could you exclude ANY of them from restitution? Wouldn't that essentially equate to manipulation? If this USAO LV effort to seek impacted shareholders was merely done with a simple "blog" post on an obscure website, and announcing a cold deadline, wouldn't that be an injustice to people without the knowledge of that website? Those folks who're out of the loop? What happened to "if you in, you win..." If it's believed that the FBI is vetting shareholders for proof of ownership/purchase, have you or anyone you know been contacted by the FBI in this manner? Thanks! one The operative words in your post are..."It is believed" Much of what you said is, 'internet hearsay'. We don't know for certain...what was done...and for who. However, with so many shareholders posting opinions, and then other shareholders modifying those opinions and posting it as FACT...we need to be careful about what we think we KNOW, verse what really IS. Hey sorry! I made a few edits on my post above, before seeing your latest reply. BTW: I'm not here to poke holes in theories or any of that nonsense. Seeking information! This is pretty much the only place I know where to find any of that. News of "missing the boat" is absolutely appalling and I pray that is not the case. I've attempted to reach USAO LV with no reply. I've sent in all requested documents (of all of our purchases from Ameritrade in 2004). I was not given a VNS number. |
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Post by stockrich on Feb 10, 2021 16:06:34 GMT -5
I believe the Government is using Lawyers in a painstaking manner to 'dot all i's and cross all t's'.
I get very concerned when people imply something 'nefarious' is going on, because the last thing I want is
a [Full-of-himself] shareholder screaming to the world...
"CMKX and the GOVERNMENT are robbing US, We need a Major Class-Action suit NOW!!!"
...and everything Stops.
And you know what, none of what this person is saying is true.
Another self-righteous, ill-informed conspiracy theorist with a computer.
No fact checking, he just has a feeling he's right, and the 1st Amendment allows him to do what he wants.
Well, I'd rather he not do it with MY stock.
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Post by onelove on Feb 10, 2021 16:14:01 GMT -5
Who are you referring to? Sorry, I'm not following what you're saying in that last one..
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Post by onelove on Feb 10, 2021 16:24:54 GMT -5
Oh, gotcha! There sure has been a variety of personalities on the boards through the years. I'm trying my best to not stoke the fire beneath the know-it-alls. I agree that the last thing we need is something or someone to get in the way. Best to let it proceed as it is going. We are getting somewhere with these recent actions, that is fact. The silence I am getting from USAO LV is really strange.. and it certainly has me concerned. Hence, my reason being here seeking information today. Sure, it's all hearsay but we really have nowhere else to go!
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Post by grouse87 on Feb 10, 2021 16:45:54 GMT -5
My certificates should be proof of harm,I would think. And they have a record of everyone with a cert. Who knows!! We'll see soon!
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