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Post by soonerlew on Dec 6, 2007 10:58:46 GMT -5
By: imsoweary 06 Dec 2007, 06:57 AM EST Msg. 344800 of 344800 (This msg. is a reply to 344795 by Bellingus.) Jump to msg. # Bellingus, are you saying that the original investors used their shares as collateral to short the stock and then once revoked, the brokers used those collateral shares to replace the IOUs in everyone's accounts?
That would make sense since when the company was finally revoked, any short not covered would have immediately been considered a loss and any collateral held would have been at the disposal of the broker to cover their loss. It wouldn't cost the original investors anything since they got the shares freely as part of the AS increase. So it wouldn't matter to them if any collateral shares were lost in the end, as they already made a huge profit by closing out what short positions they could. Any collateral shares left over then could be used to provide for our certs.
Tell me though, what was accomplished by issuing shares to all those people, only to have them returned to the treasury the next day? I never understood that. There aren't any checks to indicate they were compensated for returning the shares so I never understood how anyone benefited from it.
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Post by soonerlew on Dec 6, 2007 10:59:20 GMT -5
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Post by soonerlew on Dec 6, 2007 10:59:46 GMT -5
By: f4ds 06 Dec 2007, 07:53 AM EST Msg. 629389 of 629417 Jump to msg. # Well well well. So here we are. Dec 6th. That explosive day predicted by all the gurumors of Dec 5th being it and us being amazed. Wow. What a day it was yesterday. I'm so impressed. The short squeezes were huge. We all made a bundle. Thanks to acca, ANES, jay_adope, gr8hiccup, and the rest of the bafoons for helping us all hold until yesterday so we could get rich. Without their amazing intellect, analytical abilities, vision, market experience..............I might have sold off CMKX shares way too early. ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=629389
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Post by soonerlew on Dec 6, 2007 11:00:18 GMT -5
By: oil.ipo 06 Dec 2007, 09:45 AM EST Msg. 629406 of 629417 Jump to msg. # Sept_Rain. Happy Holidays. Btw- Not that I was expecting any major connection between your posts and any arrival of subsequent news for the shareholders, ...but we can all glean today (most of us) that when an alias comes on with so many posts, hammering the forum with "I LIKE NOVEMBER" and all kinds of metaphors, and Biblical connections the innuendo is more than just a Political or Regulatory enhancement of our markets with intended meaning for others to gather from. These shareholders are waiting for restitution, and you know this. You held the candle to that light for what 60 or more days? I did not bother going back on your profile. As November closed in your activity on Pal Talk revealed that you have no information, (nice move btw), friendly too friendly, "maybe a source." When nothing came to pass in "NOVEMBER" a complete and utter Miss.....we were left with other blind nuances to hang onto, and oh yeh the Market Reform which applies to all GURUS.....maybe in so many words, nonetheless you hammered the thread on RB like a hound to a bloody rag in the woods on (the scent of cash) for readers IMHO with "NOVEMBER" "WE WAIT" "NO DOORS" "NOAH RETURNED" etc., AND ONLY now it seems that nothing significant in your line of reasoning is good to go until "Mid January On".. The weird thing is and the only purpose of this post for notation is that you remain the only reference ("GURU") not on board for ASAP RESTITUTION RELIEF, and at the Helm of Your own PROPAGANDA WHEEL. Just a freak of nature. A mere coincidence? ( Note that Oil.Ipo.) I smell that Odds thing player, or a paid promoter, or a wannabe, or... What's today? GO ACCA!~ Oil ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=629406
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Post by soonerlew on Dec 6, 2007 11:05:48 GMT -5
sandi66 Global Moderator D.D. Specialist Bashers 101 by Bellingus « Thread Started on Today at 9:01am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bashers 101… I get a kick out of longs who, when sparring with bashers refer to their ‘bosses’ or call these ppl ‘paid’ bashers. In a very loose sense, some might have bosses but not the type most think of when using that word. For the most part there are two types of bashers. In the truest sense bashers are ppl who are short a stock and have a financial interest in seeing it go down or in the company going bk. The other type are simply losers or whiners with nothing better to do than torment others. Not to get all touchy feely here, but there is a variation on the golden rule that I like to keep in mind in everything I do and that’s this: Whatever you do, you do to yourself. Enough philosophy though – back to the shorts. It’s a myth to believe that regular ppl cannot short penny stocks. There are many types of arrangements in the stock market where regular folks can trade in virtually the same ways as brokers and carry out the same types of trades, including shorting the pennies. Here’s an example: Say you want to be a daytrader. You find a firm that accommodates daytraders and check them out. They may require that you take a class or two. They may require that you pay for a trading terminal in their office or if you trade from home that you lease their software. They may require that you become a member of their club or association. And they absolutely should be making sure that you have the financial backing to cover any of your losses. Obviously, under an arrangement like this you are paying considerable up-front money for the privilege of trading like the big boys and higher commissions on your trades. And in return, you’re getting to make most of the same types of advanced trades that the brokers themselves can make. In fact, in most cases these ‘members’ are actually trading under the broker’s house account. These arrangements aren’t just limited to daytrading. There are brokers that accommodate swing and options traders, commodity and currency trading and much more. Some of these brokers might even be operating hedge funds. And again, in exchange for your $ you can play right along with them. Okay. So how does all of this relate to CMKX? During the race pump there were traders like the ones I’ve just described selling the living crap out of the stock. And since there were no real shares to sell, they were naked shorting it. They had to feel confident that this was a major scam and that all of their gains would be guaranteed without any chance of having to cover. Take a look at an example of the money that could have been made in a single day when trading volume was in the billions and sometimes in the 10s of billions. And to keep it simple this is based on the price of .ooo1. The proceeds are GROSS amounts not net. Sell 1M shares @ .ooo1 --> receive $100. Sell 10M shares @ .ooo1 --> receive $1000. Sell 100M shares @ .ooo1 --> receive $10,000. We’re talking simple math here and if a trader becomes really greedy, well just use simple multiplication to see how much could be had. Obviously, selling shares in ‘scam’ stocks can be really profitable. But it isn’t quite that simple because even in the midst of all the plunder, there are some ‘overhead’ issues. First, there are commissions and they are much higher than those imposed by retail borkers. Next, there are what is known as margin maintenance requirements. This is a tricky little item that’s designed to be sure that a trader can make good on losses in the event that the trade goes the wrong way. In the world of legitimate shorting there is a formula used to establish your margin limits. This is based on many factors like your actual net worth, how much capital you deposit with the borker, the value of other stocks in your portfolio and other items. I’ve heard of some borkers that will actually accept a lien on your house or other assets outside of the market. I have no idea what these boiler room outfits require to allow a trader to make high-risk trades on margin. But I’d guess that some accounts were actually established in fairly close compliance with law and others weren’t. Okay, back to CMKX. Say an independent trader sold enough stock to gross $10,000 in a day at the .ooo1 pps. That individual is now short to the tune of $10,000. But s/he didn’t actually clear that much. There were commissions taken out of that $10K and a percentage held for margin. An individual’s margin limit should be determined by how liquid s/he is. Maybe the net on that $10K was $5000 or $6000 – and I’m guessing here because I don’t know the margin requirements for plundering the penny markets. Still, not a bad haul for a simple day of clicking your mouse. With most pennies the network of shorters might be able to kill the company simply due to the massive dilution that occurs with this crime or because the company itself is bogus and drops out of site when the suckers begin to thin. This is what is known as a perfect short. When the company no longer exists, the margin ‘hold’ money is released – some to the actual trader and some to the trading firm. Pretty cool huh, free money. Has anyone ever wondered why once the stock began to run it mysteriously stopped at .oo11? IMO it’s because the core group behind this particular ‘play’ got a little nervous and margin requirements were busting at the seams. I also believe that before the trading orgy began the core players got a look at some claims and knew this was the real deal. They thought they could short it to oblivion and, according to the provisions in the 14C, end up with the claims too. This is why possession of the valuable claims was a literal shell game. Where are they this week? Also at this time ppl like RG and IBM started to show up. The architects of the ‘play’ had to at least begin to realize they were up the creek and didn’t dare to get in any deeper by letting the price run. This also explains to me why ScottTrade and later Ameritrade stopped selling. Historically they participated in a common ‘game’ that 99.9% of the time worked out for them. But this situation was different. They knew they were caught. Another thing, every last trade made left a paper trail and the ppl observing all of this on behalf of the company (Y'all know who I mean) and the market in general absolutely know who’s been naughty and who’s been nice. So next time you’re over on the loser-friendly board and see Stocky Balboa or some other lost soul spouting virulent trash, say a little prayer for him cause he has some serious financial issues. In fact, thank him because s/he made it possible for us to participate in all of this. Some of these ppl sold into the frenzy for months and pulled in millions and it’s almost time to rectify. S/he thought this ‘scam’ was a slam-dunk and like all the rest, it would end up on the junk pile. But guess what? It hasn’t and it isn’t going to. Hehehe. Some opinion, some fact. Peace. repost from: ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01247&read=28151 camrhon.proboards102.com/index.cgi?board=safe&action=display&thread=1196949670
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Post by soonerlew on Dec 6, 2007 13:19:13 GMT -5
By: jay_adobe 06 Dec 2007, 12:55 PM EST Msg. 629517 of 629539 Jump to msg. # The activity, injections, upheaval and chaos in the fiscal markets are tremendous today and yesterday, and it will continue for a short while. A very important day is ahead. I wonder if one rearranged the letters in Maheu and Stoecklein, one could come up with the words "Santa Claus". 'Tis a lovely day to watch it unfolding here and abroad. Observe the total package, not just pieces of it. Simply amazing; astonishing, if you will. Enjoy your day and days ahead. Life is good. Nothing more than IMO, of course.�
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Post by hundredtoone on Dec 6, 2007 13:35:09 GMT -5
Not enough A's to spell SANTA CLAUS...BUT "GRANDFATHER CLAUSE" along with Maheu and Stoecklein could spell it EASILY...Flying Moose(cmkxunofficial)
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Post by eastcoastswing on Dec 6, 2007 13:35:10 GMT -5
If we rearranged the letters in Jay Adobe would be get "annoying".
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Post by JoeRockss on Dec 6, 2007 19:11:45 GMT -5
If we rearranged the letters in Jay Adobe would be get "annoying". LOL....Hopefully jay hits one of his predictions, one of these days.
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Post by terahertz on Dec 6, 2007 21:47:52 GMT -5
Maybe one of those days will be on the 22nd or 23rd of Dec. sip, sip, slurp.
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Post by JoeRockss on Dec 7, 2007 7:01:14 GMT -5
eureka1968 DIAMOND JEDI MASTER Melvin 12/6 Very Good « Thread Started on Today at 12:46am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Melvin, Momike Great stuff. Good listening www.zshare.net/download/54326872b88335/Melvin lives in Saskatoon Speaks to Urban all the time
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Post by Catdaddy on Dec 7, 2007 9:41:00 GMT -5
eureka1968 DIAMOND JEDI MASTER Melvin 12/6 Very Good « Thread Started on Today at 12:46am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Melvin, Momike Great stuff. Good listening www.zshare.net/download/54326872b88335/Melvin lives in Saskatoon Speaks to Urban all the time Joe, What did the audio reveal? All I could get was a butt-load of pop-up ads and only about 16% of the down load...never could get it to run. Catdaddy
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Post by soonerlew on Dec 7, 2007 13:06:12 GMT -5
Tramp's comments on Melvin's mp3: tramp Administrator ***** Melvin/Momike mp3.. « Thread Started on Today at 8:40am » www.zshare.net/download/54326872b88335/urbans health is fine..claims never left, and today is urbans birthday.. and urban is looking forward to vindication. melvin talked to urban yesterday.. and jay's post again.. The activity, injections, upheaval and chaos in the fiscal markets are tremendous today and yesterday, and it will continue for a short while. A very important day is ahead. I wonder if one rearranged the letters in Maheu and Stoecklein, one could come up with the words "Santa Claus". 'Tis a lovely day to watch it unfolding here and abroad. Observe the total package, not just pieces of it. Simply amazing; astonishing, if you will. Enjoy your day and days ahead. Life is good. Nothing more than IMO, of course.
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Post by soonerlew on Dec 7, 2007 13:07:16 GMT -5
Re: Gossip Column 12/7/07 « Reply #1 on Today at 7:09am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By: abadgoodgirl 07 Dec 2007, 12:19 AM EST Msg. 629822 of 629843 Jump to msg. # What happened to the deadline of the clause? Maheu can't even seem to stick to any deadlines with these criminals.
Certainly we should have heard something by the deadline of Dec. 5th.. previously exempted fails are no longer exempt. PERIOD.
But once again, the big powers he is up against spit on the deadline without consequences.
Meanwhile... we, the CERT people are treated like dirt.
I told everybody in pal talk if nothing happened by Thanksgiving.. forget it.... because Congress goes on Holiday until 1st week of January.. and Maheu didn't get it done.
How do I know this? Because I have not been notified of any ROI and I have not rec'd any ROI.
Maheu, how many more years are you giving these blood sucking criminals living in the house of horror of deceit, lies and betrayal?
We're on year four here.. some are on five... For once, perhaps you should take the side of the longs and put an end to shorty's existence.
Certainly you have a more powerful sledgehammer to drop.
You are not turning out to be the man that I have researched. That man meant what he said and stuck to his deadlines. You give these rats an inch and they steal miles...and they will never change and you can never believe them. Have you not learned this? - - - - -
By: scruffy_too 07 Dec 2007, 01:05 AM EST Msg. 629826 of 629843 (This msg. is a reply to 629822 by abadgoodgirl.) Jump to msg. # Abad, two possibilities here... Either IBM is losing it or we have not grasped what he is dealing with... if he is still dealing with things here. My feeling is that we may need to re-evaluate the situation here, perhaps? - - - - -
By: abadgoodgirl07 Dec 2007, 01:39 AM EST Msg. 629831 of 629843 (This msg. is a reply to 629826 by scruffy_too.) Jump to msg. # scruffy, from what I've studied about IBM, my instincts tell me it's the latter.
I've read those books and I am re-reading one in particular...and everynight I pick it up... and I think, there is no way IBM is losing.
We have no information and it appears Maheu is losing his formerly hardline approach.
It appears he keeps letting the criminals get away with more crimes.
But there is one thing about IBM, even though our system was totally corrupt since at least 1985, even thought trillions had to be stolen out of our markets by on shore and off-shore countries (over which we have no jurisdiction), IBM will NOT bankrupt our country.
IBM will NOT bankrupt our country. Depression maybe... but he won't bankrupt the treasury. He is a G-man. He is a patriot.
After studying the system... omg...the counterparties, if one fails, it's a domino effect.
Adobe was not being overly dramatic when he said systemic risk and global financial meltdown, he was being serious. I used to think he was exaggerating. (sp?) Now I know he wasn't.
The research shows the monumental wrong was bigger than monumental...it was quite the understatement... the wrong is a wrong of galactical proportions... biblical proportions.
So many safeguards were supposed to be put into place after crash of 1987 and obviously, people inside the united states deliberately failed to safeguard the system.
I just wish the stockholders who united to request delivery and extract maximum value, would see some ROI or at least an announcement at this juncture.
In my opinion, as stated, and i know Kevin West said not to listen to me, but the procedures of getting stock that is unavailable are clear. You have to go to the company and buy it direct. You have to negotiate. It is not free. Shares borrowed and never delivered are not free. Shares must be located and purchased and the seller names his price.
So, if we go strictly by procedures, money was extracted for every physical stock certificate. The bonafides. [and mr. frizzell himself told judge brenda their were trillions of shares in this company and we know the o/s was reported at approximately 736 billion shares.]
Seeing as how we were a critical part of the team, and maximum value was extracted, we are owed the ETGMF dividend and/or information.
Our team is conducting business. We too have business. It is our business about our investment. It is our business of why ETGMF has yet to be distributed after two years while the other dividends took several months.
Righting this monumental wrong and collecting from the guilty in other countries is not an easy task.
I still trust Maheu. I still cannot believe Mr. Casavant would risk his life for all these years only to turn his back on us.
I think it would make our team very satisfied if they can take the stolen money away from the criminals and give some ROI portion of it to the investors who helped bring it about.
p.s. in the meantime...imo, the military industrial complex is being dismantled. I will give a run down tomorrow and examples.
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Post by soonerlew on Dec 7, 2007 13:07:53 GMT -5
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