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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:00:21 GMT -5
By: imsoweary 07 Apr 2008, 10:37 AM EDT Msg. 698760 of 698760 (This msg. is a reply to 698759 by goodolboy27.) Jump to msg. # goodolboy27, from a recent email from Kevin himself. I quote, "As for Urban, we still believe that there are federal agencies that are going to bring him up on charges. The Company is pursuing the quickest route to recovering assets and right now that is through the case with John Edwards. I believe you will see a couple of more documents filed with the state courts concerning that case within the next few days as we have been working hard on it. The Entourage deal will have to be resolved in the courts as it looks at this time. As for Emerson (Koch), I would hope that he would come forward to do what is right for these shareholders." By: notagolfer0 07 Apr 2008, 11:03 AM EDT Msg. 698764 of 698803 (This msg. is a reply to 698760 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # Imsoweary, that's almost comical. Koch is saying the opposite of KW. While Koch is saying Tyler is only focusing on sue sue sue, Koch just wants to start working the claims, KW doesn't. Does KW think Koch should just hand it all over on a silver platter when it's all in his name and has also kept up the claims. It doesn't look like Tyler has any grounds on getting it back and the etgmf will go back to Koch also. Remember that ole comment from UC.....shareholders will follow the claims. Why does Tyler have to fight so hard to recoup something that UC was to suppose to have left them? By: imsoweary 07 Apr 2008, 11:25 AM EDT Msg. 698777 of 698806 (This msg. is a reply to 698764 by notagolfer0.) Jump to msg. # notagolfer0, that's a good question. Why DOES Tyler have to fight so hard to recoup something that UC was suppose to have left them? It must mean that (take your pick): 1) Urban did not leave them to us as he was "suppose" to do. 2) Koch is not being truthful (where does Koch say the opposite of Kevin?). 3) Kevin is not being truthful. 4) There are legal issues involved that make this much more complicated than what we realize. My take on it is # 4. By: notagolfer0 07 Apr 2008, 11:34 AM EDT Msg. 698785 of 698812 (This msg. is a reply to 698777 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # Imso...I agree there are more legal issues than meet the eye but, are they good issues or bad issues? It appears to me that KW and Frizzell are sitting on a shell with nothing to do BUT file lawsuits. On the other hand you have Koch with the claims and the possibility of getting etgmf back also. Koch doesn't seem interested in joining the lych mob and sitting for years in court while the claims sit there.....he apparently is not successful in getting KW to see the light either. By: factanonverba13 07 Apr 2008, 11:46 AM EDT Msg. 698795 of 698814 (This msg. is a reply to 698777 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # What you won't hear from Tyler is the fact that if it were not for Frizzy's lengthy delays related to his unnecessary "Cert pull" shenanigan, the ETGMF shares would have already been distributed to share holders of record as originally intended.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:01:19 GMT -5
By: klonopin2mg 07 Apr 2008, 11:10 AM EDT Msg. 698768 of 698805 (This msg. is a reply to 698763 by jboydwv.) Jump to msg. # jboydwv'
"I quote, "As for Urban, we still believe that there are federal agencies that are going to bring him up on charges."
for someone who's never been contacted by any fed agencies(KW), wonder why he "believes" four years later they're going to charge UC. nothing in that direct e-mail but yet another in a long line of rumors......
"It's not fun is it?"
Later My Good Man,
chuck
By: notagolfer0 07 Apr 2008, 11:16 AM EDT Msg. 698773 of 698805 (This msg. is a reply to 698768 by klonopin2mg.) Jump to msg. # Klon, it appears to be a comment from KW to cover their tracks on not pursuing UC?
By: goodolboy27 07 Apr 2008, 11:33 AM EDT Msg. 698784 of 698810 (This msg. is a reply to 698768 by klonopin2mg.) Jump to msg. # klonopin2mg, not that I wish to gve Kevin any credit, but here is exactly what was said about gov agency contacts:
"Let it be known that there have not been any law enforcement agencies nor any regulatory bodies (SEC and others) that have contacted me to request my help or my assistance in any of their investigations. However, I did make personal contact with many of them and have since provided numerous files and documents which contained information that I believe may be of some help to government investigators. It should come as no surprise that there are criminal investigations and SEC enforcement investigations that have been ongoing in CMKM for several years now."
Contact was made, and apparently, some assistance has been provided by Kevin.
By: imsoweary 07 Apr 2008, 11:35 AM EDT Msg. 698786 of 698813 (This msg. is a reply to 698768 by klonopin2mg.) Jump to msg. # klonopin2mg, given that a Wells Notice was sent to Urban, which is a notification of probable civil action, I would say this is slightly more than just rumor. There is grounds for Kevin's belief. Also, the recent new law suits filed in Canada against Urban and others should prove that the legal battles over CMKX and Urban are far from over. In my opinion we will see more court room battles in the near future.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:06:11 GMT -5
By: goodolboy27 07 Apr 2008, 11:05 AM EDT Msg. 698765 of 698807 (This msg. is a reply to 698760 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # Thanks Imsoweary. It's a shame he wouldn't say as much in his FAQ's.
By: imsoweary 07 Apr 2008, 11:26 AM EDT Msg. 698778 of 698807 (This msg. is a reply to 698765 by goodolboy27.) Jump to msg. # goodolboy27, the FAQs are for mass consumption. A personal email is simply more likely to be just that, more personal and sometimes a tad more informative.
By: goodolboy27 07 Apr 2008, 11:31 AM EDT Msg. 698783 of 698809 (This msg. is a reply to 698778 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # imsoweary, I understand, but the info Kevin provided you in his email could easily have been in the FAQ. Instead we got:
Q) When will the amended complaint be filed in the CMKM Diamonds vs. Urban Casavant?
A) The company has no response to questions that, if answered fully, might disclose trial strategies, tactics or other matters to the opposing parties.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:06:47 GMT -5
By: oil.ipo 07 Apr 2008, 11:27 AM EDT Msg. 698779 of 698808 (This msg. is a reply to 698178 by oil.ipo.) Jump to msg. # THE " OIL " is out of the BAG!~ Pay it forward! Canadian Province is rockin! EOM
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Post by Catdaddy on Apr 7, 2008 11:11:20 GMT -5
By: imsoweary 07 Apr 2008, 10:30 AM EDT Msg. 698758 of 698766 (This msg. is a reply to 698739 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # rosencrantz2010, they are not pursuing Urban at this time because federal authorities are actively pursuing him for criminal prosecution. Once the feds prosecute him, a civil case against him will be much easier. - - - - - By: goodolboy27 07 Apr 2008, 10:31 AM EDT Msg. 698759 of 698766 (This msg. is a reply to 698758 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # imsoweary, were did you get that info? - - - - - By: imsoweary 07 Apr 2008, 10:37 AM EDT Msg. 698760 of 698766 (This msg. is a reply to 698759 by goodolboy27.) Jump to msg. # goodolboy27, from a recent email from Kevin himself. I quote, "As for Urban, we still believe that there are federal agencies that are going to bring him up on charges. The Company is pursuing the quickest route to recovering assets and right now that is through the case with John Edwards. I believe you will see a couple of more documents filed with the state courts concerning that case within the next few days as we have been working hard on it. The Entourage deal will have to be resolved in the courts as it looks at this time. As for Emerson (Koch), I would hope that he would come forward to do what is right for these shareholders." To: I'msoBlurry If Kevin actually made these statements, and I don't have any information to prove that he did not, there is really nothing definitive in what he said. Let's break it down: "...we still believe that there are federal agencies that are going to bring him up on charges." First of all who is "we"? Does Kevin have a mouse in his pocket? And the use of the word "believe" is essentially a non-committal committal. It holds the same meaning as the term "Forward Looking Statements" that we see all the time at the bottom of the PRs that we read and post here on the boards. Also, which "federal agencies" is Kevin speaking of, the DOJ, DOD, FBI, CIA, or are we just supposed to use our imaginations as usual? And what are the charges? I know, I know, a variety of charges have been posted on the boards over the years, but could Kevin be a bit more specific with his comments as to "what" and "when"? Thanks for the post, just the same. As always, JMHO. Later, Catdaddy
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:13:38 GMT -5
By: newtopennies 07 Apr 2008, 11:38 AM EDT Msg. 698789 of 698813 Jump to msg. # VALUE AND DAMAGES, VALUE AND DAMAGES.....EOM.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:14:15 GMT -5
By: aladin99 07 Apr 2008, 11:46 AM EDT Msg. 698792 of 698813 Jump to msg. # Not A Rumor - BHollenegg confirmed that Attorney Al Clifton Hodges confirmed to him that he did post the attached letter about CMKX!
We have won!
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:15:07 GMT -5
By: imsoweary 07 Apr 2008, 11:46 AM EDT Msg. 698794 of 698814 (This msg. is a reply to 698783 by goodolboy27.) Jump to msg. # goodolboy27, true, that FAQ didn't really tell us anything. Of course, neither really did his email response to me. We knew that Kevin has had a lot of discussions with the SEC about the Wells Notice. We also knew federal prosecution of Urban was a possibility. So Kevin's comments to me shouldn't be a real surprise. - - - - -
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:17:57 GMT -5
By: factanonverba13 07 Apr 2008, 11:48 AM EDT Msg. 698796 of 698814 (This msg. is a reply to 698785 by notagolfer0.) Jump to msg. # The central legal issuein dispute, time default, was created by Frizzy, himself.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:18:55 GMT -5
By: notagolfer0 07 Apr 2008, 11:57 AM EDT Msg. 698800 of 698815 Jump to msg. # It really looks like KW only wanted Koch if he was willing to help file lawsuits and go after original management, Koch doesn't seem interested in it.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:19:44 GMT -5
By: notagolfer0 07 Apr 2008, 12:01 PM EDT Msg. 698803 of 698815 (This msg. is a reply to 698799 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # imso, well, all Koch has to do is prove the value on the claims and I'm sure there would not be a problem with backers.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:21:19 GMT -5
By: factanonverba13 07 Apr 2008, 11:46 AM EDT Msg. 698795 of 698816 (This msg. is a reply to 698777 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # What you won't hear from Tyler is the fact that if it were not for Frizzy's lengthy delays related to his unnecessary "Cert pull" shenanigan, the ETGMF shares would have already been distributed to share holders of record as originally intended.
By: imsoweary 07 Apr 2008, 12:07 PM EDT Msg. 698806 of 698816 (This msg. is a reply to 698795 by factanonverba13.) Jump to msg. # factanonverba13, I disagree entirely. The cert pull fulfilled its function by "certifying" real shareholders and denying the shorts the opportunity to "certify" thiers. Otherwise the Entourage shares would have ended up being just as naked shorted as CMKX was, however much that might be. A cert pull was the correct course of action, in my opinion.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:22:07 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 07 Apr 2008, 12:10 PM EDT Msg. 698808 of 698817 (This msg. is a reply to 698758 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # imsoweary, i'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that nothing is preventing tyler from going after urban. who cares that the feds are pursuing him, which, for various reasons, i doubt very seriously? something is fishy about that fed story. the feds have supposedly been after urban for five years now. HA! give me a break! an investigation that long qualifies it for one of the longest in department of justicve history. good lord, the prosecutors are going to pass away before they gather all the info. and they still haven't called tyler to testify, or maheu or ron or stocklein or,,,,,, come on! it doesn't add up.
furthermore, if you want to keep a guy off balance you go after him the same time someone is coming at him from another direction. make him scurry about defending himself against the feds AND YOU.
make him spend money, hire more lawyers and tie him up. do this at the EXACT SAME TIME you know someone else is after him.
are they doing this? no. so, i don't believe for a moment that the real reason they are not laying a glove on urban is because of the feds. that's poppythingy!
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:23:18 GMT -5
By: lilburrito0 07 Apr 2008, 12:10 PM EDT Msg. 698809 of 698817 (This msg. is a reply to 698803 by notagolfer0.) Jump to msg. # notagolfer0
Re: all Koch has to do is prove the value on the claims and I'm sure there would not be a problem with backers.
You have absolutely no clue what has been happening __ Do you!
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:24:58 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 07 Apr 2008, 12:18 PM EDT Msg. 698814 of 698817 (This msg. is a reply to 698783 by goodolboy27.) Jump to msg. # goodolboy27, now that was an excellent rebuttal to imsoweary's e-mail from kevin.
geee, kevin, you just revealed your legal team's trial strategy against the opposing party!
Ooooooh NO!
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