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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:26:10 GMT -5
By: imsoweary 07 Apr 2008, 12:25 PM EDT Msg. 698817 of 698819 (This msg. is a reply to 698808 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # rosencrantz2010, you are certainly free to believe as you will but let's make sure we stick to the facts. Urban has not been under investigation for 5 years. CMKX wasn't even under investigation until early 2005 and that was concluded at the revocation in late 2005.
Any investigation of Urban personally would not have been undertaken until after that, so you can pretty much assume that the SEC was not heavily investigating Urban until at least the first of 2006. As such, it has only been 2 years that they have been investigating him.
What's 2 years in the investigation of "the stock play of a life time", "the largest penny stock shareholder base ever", "the mineral superstore", "the largest cert pull in history", "the most naked shorted stock in history, with trillions in naked shorted shares"?
I put quotes around those parts of the last sentence to emphasize that they are the most thrown about supposed "truths" concerning CMKX. With something so grand and huge as CMKX's "conglomerate", what is a meager 2 years of investigation?
By: dmgroup 07 Apr 2008, 12:30 PM EDT Msg. 698821 of 698847 (This msg. is a reply to 698817 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # imsoweary not to defend the casavant crook, but if maheu, roger glen or any of the other lawyers involved were to realize urban was scamming the public is it not their legal duty to report it to the proper authorities?
if they did not turn him in and yet realized what he was doing would they not also be guilty? - - - - -
By: 07isback 07 Apr 2008, 12:38 PM EDT Msg. 698826 of 698848 (This msg. is a reply to 698821 by dmgroup.) Jump to msg. # dm, glen turned in the canuck crook to the sec, then hauled ass out of dodge, and yes it was glens duty to do so, or face possiably losing his legal license to be a crook ,,,,,,,
only in my opinion, maheu had no duty to turn him in, his only duty was to answer truthfully if and agency were to question him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
By: rosencrantz2010 07 Apr 2008, 12:50 PM EDT Msg. 698832 of 698848 (This msg. is a reply to 698817 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # imsoweary, you can choose what you want to believe as well. the claims against urban have been made since his petrol plus days and the charges that he was under constant investigation have been made by many.
so you NOW want to claim that urban was clearly an innocent man prior to 2005 because he was never under investigation by any governmental agency? LOL
imsoweary, which story are you putting out now? i thought you had been claiming urban was being chased by the feds in some fashion since his birth! LOL
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 11:26:50 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 07 Apr 2008, 12:28 PM EDT Msg. 698818 of 698820 (This msg. is a reply to 698801 by bogus_tech.) Jump to msg. # is this for real? it's hard to believe. i wonder where urban's head is? if true then he's not particularly concerned about getting served by FRIZZELL & KEVIN. in fact, i'd say he's laughing at them all, that is, the tyler boys, the SEC and the DOJ.
By: bogus_tech 07 Apr 2008, 11:59 AM EDT Msg. 698801 of 698817 (Msg. is a reply to 698798 by CHICPICK.) At least urban got new wheels out of the deal:
Posted by: NSDM-forever In reply to: h24ever who wrote msg# 247048 Date:4/7/2008 9:05:59 AM Post #of 247059
Urbie is not exactly in hiding...the custom plate on his 2008 black Escalade says K I N G P I N.
The legal actions in the U.S. have as much weight as a mosquito bite up here.
You might as well call ghostbusters...
By: bogus_tech 07 Apr 2008, 12:29 PM EDT Msg. 698819 of 698821 (This msg. is a reply to 698818 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # It's true, rosen. Confirmed by someone I know who lives up there. You can ask him on the Ihub board.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 12:27:47 GMT -5
By: lilburrito0 07 Apr 2008, 12:23 PM EDT Msg. 698816 of 698848 (This msg. is a reply to 698809 by lilburrito0.) Jump to msg. # notagolfer0
First: Koch stole the Zinc Claims from CIM/CMKM. And then sold the Zinc Claim mineral rights to another company! A company that Urban heavily invested with CMKM Corporate Funds! And all the sale proceeds and share issuance went to Koch (not CMKM).
Second: There are only 20 Koch claims left. And of these 20 claims, 16 of the 20 claims have lapsed ~~ Which leaves only four (4) claims left!
S-136789 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136790 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136791 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136792 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136793 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136796 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136840 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136841 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136844 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136845 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136794 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136795 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136822 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-136823 ~~ 1-Jan-08 S-138293 ~~ 28-Feb-08 S-137338 ~~ 31-Mar-08 S-136235 ~~ 31-Jul-08 S-136244 ~~ 31-Jul-08 S-136245 ~~ 31-Jul-08 S-137762 ~~ 30-Nov-08
I can go on ___ But what’s the point!
By: notagolfer0 07 Apr 2008, 12:42 PM EDT Msg. 698829 of 698848 (This msg. is a reply to 698816 by lilburrito0.) Jump to msg. # lilburrito, right, I was told he only had a handful of claims left and that they were the claims with the most potential. Do we even know if there are other claims out there in another entity?
How was Koch able to "steal" anything? lol
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 12:30:57 GMT -5
By: stkupnc 07 Apr 2008, 01:04 PM EDT Msg. 698838 of 698848 Jump to msg. # Now this guy has the perfect solution to Naked Shorting! www.sec.gov/comments/s7-08-08/s70808-257.htm Subject: File No. S7-08-08 From: Michael E Heier Affiliation: CEO retiredApril 6, 2008 I believe that finally you are heading in the right direction. I don't believe however that you are going to solve the problem. Recognizing a "Naked Short Sale" as fraud is a solid move that should be applauded as it is a move in the right direction to recreate market confidence in the broader capital markets to the benefit of all vs what was going on that benefitted very few at the expense of those investors that actually create the markets in the first place. I would characterize those investors as the investing public. Without there collective capital, there would be no markets. My problem here is that the US market is primarily a "rules based" market, and simply creating a new rule governing a process simply leaves those most to benefit with the challenge of creating a new activity to circumvent the rule. As this is also a current issue under review in Canada and that up here we typically follow your lead when it comes to capital markets, I think we all need to get this one right. To successfully achieve the goals of your underlying principles, I believe you need to take the additional steps I have outlined below. 1) Naked Short selling should be illegal, period. I have witnessed many occasions where there is good natural buoyancy on a limited liquidity stock whereby the momentum driven naked short activity was conducted over one or two day periods which falls well within the three day settlement period. These strategies are routinely conducted by institutional traders, market makers or any savvy pro traders. This activity erodes market confidence no different than the failed trades "fraud" that exist beyond the three day settlement period and are far more common. A mandatory requirement to locate a stock to borrow for sale should be in place for any legitimate market short activity. 2) Now that at least there seems to be a willingness to call a naked short what it is, "fraud", the responsibility of enforcement of this fraud should be removed from the hands of any regulatory or market related body and placed squarely in the hands of those that do such, without prejudice, on a daily basis. Because these activities routinely happen across State, Provincial and our collective Federal/National boundaries, responsibilities for enforcement and prosecution should fall into the hands of Federal/National policing agencies like the FBI, US Secret Service and in Canada, the RCMP IMET teams. Comically, the markets in both the US and Canada are virtually devoid of enforcement prosecutions of these types of activities, yet our collective court rooms are jammed with penny anti sub $10,000.00 fraud cases from other types of criminal activity which are non capital markets related. Part of the reason for this seems to be the unwillingness and, for whatever reason, the inability for those currently responsible to act, as well as what appears to be an ongoing turf war between the policing agencies and the regulatory/enforcement agencies. Our policing agencies are very good at what they do. They simply need a clear mandate and the Federal/National financial support to augment their ranks to go after these crimes as it is clear that it would mean incremental activity load. 3) Now, if you can collectively buy into the notion that that our Federal/National policing agencies and prosecutors should be leading the charge here, then one must also consider the recourse that can be levied against such crimes. I firmly believe that because it is fraud, then it should fall under the commensurate criminal code of the offended jurisdiction and jail times and or fines levied against a successful prosecution should correspond with any like and similar activity without prejudice to the fact that it is a "White Collar Crime" vs a "Blue Collar Crime". 4) Finally, I believe that there is a significant lack of public disclosure on this issue as it relates to daily trading activities. Because at times these activities can place significant downward pricing pressure on a stock, all market participants should be aware of the activity as it is happening and who is conducting it. A comment made to me by a member of a policing agency is that even they have a difficult time following the trail because of lack of disclosure. When asked of the regulators what their reasoning for this is, they respond that is what is required to make an efficient market. I ask "efficient for who"? In my mind that simply translates to limited disclosure as only a few market participants are privy to that trade information and as such benefit from trading, or not trading because of a strong short strategy being played out that could erode the public value of the equity. While an active CEO, I had two primary responsibilities to investors. One was to create real value in terms of growth in earnings, EBITDA and cash-flow, all on a per share basis and in a manner that reflected good solid ethical conduct related to all matters of the business and secondly to see that value reflected in market pricing so an investor could be rewarded for their patience through the ability to crystallize on their capital appreciation over time through good communication with analysts and solid IR work. The level of disclosure required for us to conduct our daily business activities was significant and in fact there was a recommendation at one point for daily disclosure of insider trading information on public companies. Disclosure issues related to public companies is now one of the largest single overhead costs within a companies overhead whether it be for financial reporting, prospectus issues or any other public documents. I have never been able to reconcile that with the limited.........or total lack of discloser relating to shorting in general, never mind naked shorting either of which can have a negative pricing impact especially on a limited liquidity stock no different than a substandard or neutral financial report. When presenting the argument to various market participants that one should be able to naked buy a stock (essentially removing any amount of stock for sale without paying for it, which is a direct offset), it was suggested to me that I would be thrown away in jail and somehow, the key would go missing. Go figure?? I thank you in advance for the time your group has invested in this matter as well as for the opportunity to provide my input. Best Regards Michael E Heier
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 12:32:29 GMT -5
By: imsoweary 07 Apr 2008, 01:08 PM EDT Msg. 698839 of 698849 (This msg. is a reply to 698832 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # rosencrantz2010, I guess you thought incorrectly. I have never claimed Urban was innocent since his story fell apart at the shareholder's party and we learned that contrary to his statement that the financials were almost done, they hadn't even been started and couldn't be started because Urban had no records or refused to hand over the records. I knew then he was a bold faced liar and con.
I'm not concerned about petrol plus or Urban's involvement with it. It has no bearing on CMKX and the federal investigation of Urban's involvement with it.
By: notagolfer0 07 Apr 2008, 01:15 PM EDT Msg. 698843 of 698849 (This msg. is a reply to 698839 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # imsoweary, remember when UC stated that one reason (the biggest reason) he would not file nor could he was because of the NSS? If he had filed, he would have shown his hand and the SEC/DTCC could have swept all their bogus shares under the rug! There were many good reasons for not filing. - - - - -
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 12:33:08 GMT -5
By: notagolfer0 07 Apr 2008, 01:22 PM EDT Msg. 698844 of 698850 Jump to msg. # They wanted UC to file but the SEC was unwilling to give any of their infomation over. That's why the SEC needs to go.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 12:33:53 GMT -5
By: notagolfer0 07 Apr 2008, 01:28 PM EDT Msg. 698848 of 698850 Jump to msg. # It's a sad day, when a CEO can't get assistance from the SEC on confirming the number of shares out on his own company!!!! Even when trying to assist with your filing, they cannot be helpful.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 12:35:59 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 07 Apr 2008, 12:56 PM EDT Msg. 698835 of 698850 (This msg. is a reply to 698823 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # imsoweary, so you no longer take what kevin tells you at face value? which message was the truth?
the one kevin sent out in the Q&A to all shareholders or the one sent to you?
which one is the truth?
By: imsoweary 07 Apr 2008, 01:11 PM EDT Msg. 698840 of 698850 (This msg. is a reply to 698835 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # rosencrantz2010, don't be an azz. Both statements are true. Kevin revealed nothing about his legal strategy in his email to me and you know it.
By: rosencrantz2010 07 Apr 2008, 01:22 PM EDT Msg. 698846 of 698850 (This msg. is a reply to 698840 by imsoweary.) Jump to msg. # imsoweary, stick it where the sun don't shine! LOL if you can't figure out the difference between those two pieces of information from kevin then you aren't very bright.
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 12:45:17 GMT -5
By: adrienne07 07 Apr 2008, 12:56 PM EDT Msg. 698836 of 698838 Jump to msg. # www.sec.gov/comments/s7-08-08/s70808.shtml- - - - - By: DrillBit 07 Apr 2008, 12:58 PM EDT Msg. 698837 of 698838 (This msg. is a reply to 698836 by adrienne07.) Jump to msg. # PERFECT! Subject: File No. S7-08-08 From: Ron Golden Affiliation: President, Maverick TradingApril 7, 2008 I feel that making a comment here is pretty much worthless since the SEC brass are "on the take" and in collusion with the Big Money Crooks. The high ranking officials and upper management in the so-called "enforcement division" should all be thrown in prison for the rest of their lives for aiding and abeding this illegal stock counterfeiting scheme. There are already RICO laws against counterfeiting and money laundering, which is essentially what has been going on for YEARS. CORRUPTION in our economic system MUST BE STOPPED IMMEDIATELY. ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS and quit wasting time.
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Post by johnjrambothe2nd on Apr 7, 2008 14:46:41 GMT -5
FWIW- (2:48 PM) BadBassPlayer: ACCA: Open For Disbursement!!,Flooded With Wealth!!!Because It's Finally Over!! ~Acca Is Out
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 15:42:05 GMT -5
mgl Mod Squad Re: gossip column 4/7 « Reply #9 Today at 1:29pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wow - the naysayers/bashers are celebrating big time over on the RB board... meanwhile: - - - - - By: rosencrantz2010 07 Apr 2008, 01:52 PM EDT Msg. 698855 of 698890 Jump to msg. # here is something else i find odd,,, why are three of the most influential promoters of "all things good about cmkx" former US Air Force officers? bhollenegg, jay_adobe and maverick1166 there are a lot questions out there. - - - - - By: tuscan9 07 Apr 2008, 02:29 PM EDT Msg. 698889 of 698890 (This msg. is a reply to 698855 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # rosen...... good observation.... millionaires.proboards86.com/v45index.cgi?board=main&action=display&thread=18997
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 15:42:46 GMT -5
By: oil.ipo 07 Apr 2008, 11:27 AM EDT Msg. 698779 of 698915 (This msg. is a reply to 698178 by oil.ipo.) Jump to msg. # THE " OIL " is out of the BAG!~ Pay it forward! Canadian Province is rockin! EOM!
By: oil.ipo 07 Apr 2008, 02:43 PM EDT Msg. 698907 of 698914 (This msg. is a reply to 698779 by oil.ipo.) Jump to msg. # Just one day after Oil exposure. Great timing. eom
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 15:43:35 GMT -5
luci Queen of Diamonds Re: gossip column 4/7 « Reply #11 Today at 2:43pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today at 3:25pm, procmkm wrote: Finally!!!! The Flood Gates Are Open!!!!!!! Today at 3:28pm, dicek18 wrote: Open for what? What will we be flooded with? And why? Thanks for your opinion. Open For Disbursement!!
Flooded With Wealth!!!
Because It's Finally Over!! ~Acca Is Out! millionaires.proboards86.com/v45index.cgi?board=main&action=display&thread=18997
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 15:46:52 GMT -5
By: DrillBit 07 Apr 2008, 03:12 PM EDT Msg. 698977 of 699078 Jump to msg. #
I wonder who testified against whom to gain a form of immunity. Maybe a form of immunity with the aid of the SEC, DTCC etc. - - - - -
By: jfarn 07 Apr 2008, 03:39 PM EDT Msg. 699059 of 699078 (This msg. is a reply to 698977 by DrillBit.) Jump to msg. #
(Roger, Bob, Stock)......things becoming clearer by the second..eom
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Post by soonerlew on Apr 7, 2008 15:48:06 GMT -5
luci Queen of Diamonds Re: gossip column 4/7 « Reply #13 Today at 3:06pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- procmkm .. aka-Acca ... I'ts Been A Pleasure « Thread Started Today at 3:52pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chatting With You Fine People (And Very, Very Patient People If I May Add) Over The Last Few Years. It Has At Times Been Very Difficult For All Of Us And I must Commend Each And Everyone Of You For Sticking Through this Thick And Thin!!! I Know I Have Alot Of Supporters And Non Supporters, But None Of This Matters Because Of The Final Outcome You Are About To Witness!! This Is My Last Post And With This Last Post I Say HAIL TO THE VICTORS!!!!!!!!!! ~Acca Is Out Forever! millionaires.proboards86.com/v45index.cgi?board=main&action=display&thread=18997
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