peterg2000
DIAMOND JEDI Re: The Buzz Chat 7/12
« Reply #15 Today at 8:42am »
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Today at 7:24am, sictransitgloria wrote:
I'm not so sure we WILL find out any more than we know now!
Al said money was collected and in one or more trusts! That money
had to have been collected via a court action! That same court action
would have had to verify and straighten out the share structure (assuming
the NSS of several trillion) as well as how many other discrepancies
all of which are sealed! So we don't really know what's happened!
That's one of the main reasons its been taking so long ,because they
knew we couldn't say anything! Will that change now? If there was a court
action, were measures put in place to enforce it? Were those measures ignored?
The Bivens action is trying to get around the court seals! Will it succeed?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Pete
sictransitgloria
DIAMOND JEDI Re: The Buzz Chat 7/12
« Reply #16 Today at 8:56am »
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What "court action" are you referring to? We have no evidence that any other court action took place to force the collection of money, establish trust(s), or straighten out the share structure. If there were some secret court actions (which I highly doubt), then it would be a very simple matter for Al to reference them to this judge. In face, if he has evidence of those court actions, he didn't need a Bivens suit! All he would have needed to do is bring those actions to light. So...I'm not buying the idea that there have been previous court actions.
You also said that the money collected had to have been by court action. Why would that have been absolutely necessary? Let's say the SEC/DOJ did collect money from the hedge funds and other shorters and did establish trusts for that money. None of this would have necessarily required court actions.
peterg2000
DIAMOND JEDII'm only basing that idea there WAS a sealed court action on the fact that
since 2004 Urban and anyone else involved with CMKX has kept silent!
If money was collected as Al said, don't you think Urban would have
loved to tell that to the shareholders!
Does the SEC have the authority to prevent people from talking!
Being sealed means for all intents and purposes it doesn't exist!
Why is Tyler playing dumb, when Al states money HAS been collected!
It HAS been said that a court action did take place although no proof
has been shown! But there wouldn't be much of a seal if it was made public
now would it?
IMO people were forcibly silenced via court order!
Pete
john3339
DIAMOND JEDI MASTER As the story has been told, IBM had the culprits in Las Vegas to negotiate the settlement. It was apparently not a court action, but an agreement (my assumption) to keep this OUT of court. They agreed to pay into the trust - without force of judgment from any court.
The proof of performance is the existence of the trust, not a writ from the courts.
And this would not surprise me, as IBM had dealings (in the past) with persons and groups who lived and sometimes died at the shake of hands, not the written contract. If someone were to go back on his word, he lost his most valued possession...his word - his reputation.
If the trust exists (and I believe it does), then it does exist and those agreeing to fund it FUNDED it. I do not expect to see any court papers ordering the funding of our trust.
But as a "wiseguy" would operate, you simply don't agree to something, then go back on your word. If the trust was funded, THAT would be proof that it was funded for US....as negotiated by IBM.
May God rest and bless your soul Mr. Maheu!
john
peterg2000
DIAMOND JEDI Plausible as it might be! I would find it hard to believe that he would
trust the word of even .0001% of the people on Wall Street! They are the
biggest scumbags on the planet! Also if that were the case then why were we never paid after all this time?
There may have been a group that voluntarily paid and another that required
a more forcible action! There may have been a time frame established!
That and the fact that its not only US brokers that are involved but
global!
If there was a court action, it could be applied to other countries
justice systems!
I don't think he would have done the job half way!
Did Urban manage to have most if not all of the shares retired so that
if the brokers needed to cover they had to buy them from the treasury(CMKX)?
That would allow the SEC to say we don't have any CMKX on our books!
Is the GAG purely voluntary?
Would IBM have put other conditions such as market reform into the mix
or just hit the pocket book?
Time will tell, but my GOD how much more time? LOL
We'll probably never know the real answers!
Pete
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