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Post by JoeRockss on Aug 20, 2007 17:17:54 GMT -5
soonerlew Diamond Wiz (Moderator)
By: lowriderbill 17 Aug 2007, 06:18 PM EDT Msg. 25303 of 25344 (This msg. is a reply to 25298 by seatech3.) Jump to msg. # Seatech - Another example of...
...your clear and fair thinking. You're correct that we don't need the names of those financing the current operations, but we do need to know if there's a conflict of interest bewteen what's best for that group and what's best for the shareholders. You see, I'm not convinced that the best interests of these two groups are actually one and the same. In addition to the lack of information regarding funding, we have a suspicious lack of information regarding the fee/award structure of any assets recovered. Isn't it possible that the group financing current operations will expect a bigger cut of what is recovered? Isn't it possible that someone is pulling the corporate strings to further their own exclusive agenda?
Speaking of peeking in the box, I agree that there are a select few that seem to have the key to the corporate washroom while the rest of us are required to use the outhouse. It stinks to high Heaven!
Lowriderbill
By: klonopin2mg 19 Aug 2007, 11:19 AM EDT Msg. 25341 of 25344 (This msg. is a reply to 25303 by lowriderbill.) Jump to msg. # lowriderbill' YEP!
;-) definate conflict. but why? it would take years to fill the empty shell and even then there'll be nothing but air for us imo.
i seek restitution elsewhere, but support BF & KW none the less...
why not! btw, in the last update did they tell me to shut up and wait.lol
i enjoy your posts, come by more often!
chuck/klon' and GM EVERYONE...ENJOY LIFE NOW!
By: tiger760 19 Aug 2007, 08:39 PM EDT Msg. 25343 of 25344 (This msg. is a reply to 25341 by klonopin2mg.) Jump to msg. # Klonopin...Hey Chuck, do we still have that wink and a nod to hang onto or not? TIA
By: klonopin2mg 19 Aug 2007, 09:05 PM EDT Msg. 25344 of 25344 (This msg. is a reply to 25343 by tiger760.) Jump to msg. # tiger'
no sir!
the 180 turn is all that's coming from TX, do i buy into the 180? not for a second!
so i wait with cautious optimism and sound logic.
i still firmly believe in the "RIGHT" outcome...
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Post by JoeRockss on Aug 20, 2007 17:18:46 GMT -5
soonerlew Diamond Wiz (Moderator)
By: landi18 19 Aug 2007, 12:17 AM EDT Msg. 25329 of 25351 (This msg. is a reply to 25284 by jdoc8.) Jump to msg. # ot - it matters not who pays the salary or covers expenses. The funds are neither an entitlement of ours nor an obligation in reality. - - - - -
By: landi18 19 Aug 2007, 12:27 AM EDT Msg. 25330 of 25351 (This msg. is a reply to 25329 by landi18.) Jump to msg. # - clarification I should have added that....assets are recoverable by creditors in order of legal preference and not due to common shareholders. - - - - -
By: seatech3 19 Aug 2007, 01:12 AM EDT Msg. 25331 of 25351 (This msg. is a reply to 25330 by landi18.) Jump to msg. # landi
I thought that creditors were only first in line if they force the company into bankruptcy. And that I think, was taken care of. This is company officers going after former company officers.
Hope I understood your post correctly.
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By: landi18 20 Aug 2007, 01:27 AM EDT Msg. 25345 of 25351 (This msg. is a reply to 25331 by seatech3.) Jump to msg. # Creditors are first inline in order of type and kind and order of security, second usually to the government basically, in the situation of dissolution of a company or bankruptcy. A creditor need not petition a firm into bankruptcy to recover assets.
Secured creditors preceed shareholders in claims against secured / pledged assets and can recover against those secured assets or claim difficiency balance recovery generally against other unsecured assets etc depending of various factors including state or provincial law.
In this case the company exists in some shape or form, as it has a corporate executive acting as you say to recover assets from others who were or may still be involved in the company, and may or may not be deemed to be carrying on business under the style and name of CMKM Diamonds. Not seeing any valid current financials it is hard to ascertain if indeed it is insolvent. (Liabilities greater than assets - some will think that statement to be foolish but in reality given what we know, and do not know, it is uncertain as I write tonight - to me atleast ) It has not to my knowledge been petitioned into bankruptcy at this point by creditors for some reasoning, so there would be likely no claims against the cash holdings unless there was a default for which funds were able to claimed and deemed to be reasonably colectible by the creditor.
My point was only that as a common shareholder,( not a creditor) while I may validly wish to know the source and use of funds, I have absolutely no claim on the cash holdings or other assets of the firm because I am not a creditor. The firm is allowed to operate as a going concern and the directors are permitted / obligated to act in good faith as prudent men. The source of funds might be construed as a material fact in determining an investing go / no go decision, but we are not able to invest and I think therefore it becomes irrelevant a sto what the current source of operating capital is or who has the cash to pay ongoing operations of recvery of assets. In my own opinion, if the company wanted to play its cards carefully it would only draw upon cash to pay bills as needed as opposed to obtaining a cash injection to hold in a bank account, which could then be subject to outside claims of one sort or other attachment. At this point it appears to me that the company does not yet know who its friends are and what non friends they actually have. In fact thinking slightly differently from the normal line, (such as assets are not always assets and sometimes can be liabilities in another thought train) it is probably to the company's benefit to be short on cash but long on invisible support.
The rules of creditor security are well established however many things or situations can crop up in a firm that affect order including and not limited to whether the security is current and registered correctly; order of registration; type of security as well as ownership of security and structural priority and exempt situations.
Long comment seatech. Simply put secured creditors preceed unsecured creditors and they preceed common shareholders in dissolution of a company either via bankruptcy; voluntary dissolution or other reasons. Landi
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By: seatech3 20 Aug 2007, 08:51 AM EDT Msg. 25351 of 25351 (This msg. is a reply to 25345 by landi18.) Jump to msg. # landi18 - Thank you for the information. So, then the question becomes; Is this a normal situation where the normal rules apply?
So far the answer to that has been NO! So, where do we go from here?
As always, I Trust the Team!
Mike
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Post by JoeRockss on Aug 20, 2007 17:19:10 GMT -5
soonerlew Diamond Wiz (Moderator)
By: mt.men 20 Aug 2007, 10:24 AM EDT Msg. 592050 of 592098 Jump to msg. # LONGS Seems as though the bashers are having a party this a.m. , so have at it jokers and enjoy it while you can. - - - - -
By: oil.ipo 20 Aug 2007, 11:23 AM EDT Msg. 592091 of 592098 (This msg. is a reply to 592050 by mt.men.) Jump to msg. # The bacteria can only thrive so much longer. CMKM is going public imo, and in a way that rivals what anyone can say or do on this thread.
No one should underestimate the power of a force in this shareholder body- this large firstly.
What will they talk about?
Plenty
That is the best part. Also, they have imho the ability to out vote any other group of bad element. It can happen for the shareholders, and NOW it will happen. Organized.
Acca had one thing correct "NO OBSTACLES". Not with this group of shareholders. Acca can't even stop this stuff with his message.
About time.
Mega/Oil
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Post by tec1958 on Aug 20, 2007 20:01:51 GMT -5
Kent co. Michigan sheriff
Lawrence A. Stelma, Sheriff
related? hmmmmmmmm
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Aug 20, 2007 20:33:27 GMT -5
Hi Golden1101, I agree with you.
I was reading on the board the whole long capitalized posts that show BrainDamage working with Faulk on the book. BD gets advance copies of PR's and proof's Faulk's book - LOL - I'm glad people will know they are reading Brain Damage's thoughts when they are looking at Mark's book. If the idea of paying a penny for Mark's thoughts seemed too high...think of the bargain getting two 'great minds' verbal diarrhea for the price of one. (I really should try to be kinder - but it conflicts with my desire to be honest...What's a girl to do?)
Reading their take on Urban, Taulli and Edwards only makes me want to ask more questions about them. I think Urban is silent because of State Department orders. They can seal anything they desire to and for as long as they want. That makes UC fair game until some Governmental agency somewhere steps up to the plate and lets the truth come out. I wonder if this whole Texas Group is backed by shorty to help delay OR LIMIT a payday for the CMKX shareholders. The idea of .005 being the end all and be all of what we should aspire to was long touted by DB and those of his ilk.
I said from day one if CMKX only paid us a penny a share I'd be disappointed. Not because that is a small return on our investment - it's actually a 10,000% return from .0001 and even better from .00004 (my lowest priced shares - I also have some I bought at .0011).
We need a whole lot of transparency. The more the new CMXK team badmouths Urban and the long shareholder base especially while it associates with Pedro, Brain Damage and Faulk, the less I trust them. There are too many unanswered questions. Iron Bob Maheu, Roger Glenn, Donald Stocklein, and many others are (or were) involved in this stock. I think IBM is still involved regardless of what the Texas boys say. I would love to hear IBM's transparent description of all things CMKX. I would believe his explanation of things if and when it happens.
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Post by soonerlew on Aug 20, 2007 21:26:05 GMT -5
By: easternbreezes1 20 Aug 2007, 11:52 AM EDT Msg. 592110 of 592110 (This msg. is a reply to 591918 by jay_adobe.) Jump to msg. # OK Jay, All the gurus have fallen by the wayside. Is that why you now post repeatedly? You picking up the slack? You have been just SO WRONG, right along, why do you think you deserve credence at this point? Your dates, timeframes, even your logic has proven to be massiviely faulty. I don't get it. Maybe you can tell me why, after four plus years of the torture, I should continue to sit back and watch it all unfold, while drinking the proverbial Iced Tea? I am an honest American, one who tries to take the higher road whenever possible, and do the right thing for the important people in my life, yet I have been screwed booed and tattoed by my own government through the SEC, DTCC, and related entities, as well as by others such as yourself who have, and continue to promise that everything is fine, and we should just stay tuned and watch it all happen. Time to change the channel, IMVHO.
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I have been reading your posts for some time now - and this one certainly took me by surprise. Your tone has never been confrontational, always been positive, often even offering an air of serenity.
But, I completely understand how you feel about all of these "guru" voices, including Jay's. It is apparant that URban Casavant can be added to your list of abusers, imo. ... and now, I focus on what I consider to be our final hope for a reasonable ROI - Kevin and Bill.
We see that Edwards and Desormeau have been publicly served - and CMKM is looking for assets, and legal fees. Also, by righting their wrongs, we hope to decrease the o/s by 329 billion shares - almost 50% of the o/s.
Stop listening to JAy, Acca, and others that appear to be liars with real agendas - it's better for the mind and spirit.
oh... of course, imo.... right, JAy?
Ed
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Post by soonerlew on Aug 20, 2007 21:26:39 GMT -5
By: elvis-is-here 20 Aug 2007, 07:40 PM EDT Msg. 592388 of 592453 Jump to msg. # Division amongst shareholders has/is occurring. imo.
- - - - - By: oil.ipo 20 Aug 2007, 08:35 PM EDT Msg. 592409 of 592453 (This msg. is a reply to 592388 by elvis-is-here.) Jump to msg. # Atomic (parabolic) decimation...kaboom!!!!... sad in a way. Maybe this was the plan. Not the way it should be that's for sure, but look at the way that it is progressing!
Mega/Oil
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Aug 21, 2007 0:41:51 GMT -5
was this a Frizzell quote?? Waste_Management Diamond Cutter Level 1 Fortunately for us............« Thread Started on Yesterday at 8:09pm » I took delight in answering questions yesterday regarding the assembly line we have set up to document the share ownership by the vast majority of CMKX shareholders. We have gone to great expense to use current technology to assist us in creating a digital mass of records, which can be presented, in one single CD to anyone requiring proof of the massive short selling of our stock. I read yesterday that Senator Shelby has become interested in looking into the CMKX matter--wouldn’t it be nice if we could hand Senator Shelby and others a single CD proving, without question, that a company’s stock had been naked shorted and that such shorting continues as we speak? Never before has any company sought to gather monthly statements from its shareholders to show what sales have occurred through the brokerage houses as proof of illegal short selling. We have been told we will be lucky to get 20% to 30% of the shareholders to respond to our requests. Fortunately for us, even 20% to 30% will document a massive naked short position in this s
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Post by JoeRockss on Aug 21, 2007 5:53:02 GMT -5
Ghost Mod Squad Ladies and Gents...Our CEO! Brought over from PB70 (courtesy of WasteManagement).: Kevinw777: Remember this everyone, there are many types of bashers in our room. There are out-right bashers that one could not mistake, Kevinw777: there are bashers that seem like sincere newbies asking questions and wanting us to "help them cope" with the situation, there are bashers that have been a part of the cmkx family for a long time and were always long and strong... but now little things here and there are making them feel uncomfortable... Kevinw777: my brothers and sisters, these bashers are educated and paid well to try and shake our confidence and they will try and get to your beliefs any way they can to make you sell cheap. They have made the choice to cause a squeeze play now and they are just setting up the field of play so that it won't cost them as much. Little do they know how much resolve this family has! Trillionaire1: kevin have you seen a pinksheet halted before? Kevinw777: been doing this for years Kevinw777: and that is a wonderful thing, we want to be included with USCA, we have all the goods or Edwards and Angel would have never taken us on as a client Kevinw777: Blame, I will talk to Sterling later today and I believe that he will get advice from Roger on this before we do anything. Kevinw777:I will bring what Sterling tells me back to the room later... he got into Vegas late last night Kevinw777: To All BASHERS here...http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=110052 Kevinw777: www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=110052Kevinw777:if you think it's rocking now, wait until they can release really BIG news... this song comes to mind, Baby, you ain't seen nothing yet! Kevinw777: can you imagine sending a letter to the SEC and signing it.... Punchy Poluka? Kevinw777: Bashers... read this, it's a must www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=110052Kevinw777: I am sure Roger Glenn will be talking to and advising Sterling Kevinw777: this is God's re-distribution of wealth to those that will do right with the money Kevinw777: listen, this shareholder base is worth a ton of money to future companies that are even only looking at the dollars... our strength as a family is priceless! Kevinw777: this group of investors together with our future millions is enough to make changes to this world that no other group has been able to do in all of history .
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Aug 21, 2007 7:02:00 GMT -5
Man ..... Acca is like Mother Goose....... story after story after story, after story... and the rooms were full..... go figure !! Acca last night..... Paltalkacca 8/20/07 MP3www.zshare.net/audio/323943095437cd/Bo_Lingballe DIAMOND JEDI Re: Anyone in Paltalk? Keep us updated..... « Reply #8 on Yesterday at 10:40pm » OK. I've got some information for you. O brother! Get a load of this!!! Acca says the checks are still hanging out at some central hub. The holdup is simply that a written agreement has to be signed before the checks are delivered. There's been a "verbal" agreement of course. Of course! But we're waiting on the "written" agreement. Which should be sometime this week. Of course! This guy is un-be-lievable! ...Bo I've got something to add. We're not necessarily getting the money this week, but we should hear something relevant over the business wires. There. That makes sense. No wonder the money didn't come as promised. It's just a matter of time. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXI've got still more. Acca just made a closing statement. OK. Remember the famous "drop the balloon" Vegas party? Acca tells us that we were indeed to hear some big news that day. And the entity that stopped it that day has been responsible for all delays since. Well guess who stopped the proceedings? Times Up! John Martin. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Aug 21, 2007 8:52:22 GMT -5
By: dblwmtolle 21 Aug 2007, 07:06 AM EDT Msg. 592545 of 592557 (This msg. is a reply to 592409 by oil.ipo.) Jump to msg. # Plan oil.ipo? There was no plan. You just don't get it. One day even you will.
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By: oil.ipo 21 Aug 2007, 08:54 AM EDT Msg. 592555 of 592557 (This msg. is a reply to 592545 by dblwmtolle.) Jump to msg. # My message is written for folks like you.
It's sole purpose is to get the reader to think. Nothing more.
-And no you don't "get it" because if you did you would have received my messages hundred or so of posts ago. I am sure of that.
I never speak in Pal Talk. (anymore)
I see what is going on there. Proliferation of an intended response by an "authority" an accepted source of information for lack of identity. This is a captive audience, and as I posted many moons ago while they represent a rather small percentage of the total number of Shareholders this group has exponential far reaching effects no doubt if mobilized. The key is that there is power in numbers and as long as shareholders are in the hole of darkness they are harmless to each other, and more importantly the outside world. No one goes through this much effort to Rumor, and obfuscate the truth for nothing.
I said more than a year ago shut the rooms down, and stop the hand holding.
Get real.
Mega/Oil
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Aug 21, 2007 8:54:48 GMT -5
buyallyoucan DIAMOND JEDI this is to URBAN , KEVIN, BILL, and the rest of « Thread Started on Today at 8:34am »
the team... I and many others still support you all and all that you do . we understand the magnitude of what is going on . yes we want it faster and now but, we know these things take time, urban we understand what you had to do back then and how it makes you look today but, we understand and thank you .for what you are doing today you are a great man... kevin we understand the job you took on and how it makes you look going after urban and others (part of the plan ) thats what urban hired you for...bill all i got to say is thank you and dont mess with Texas. and for the rest of team cmkx thanks...we will win.
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Post by soonerlew on Aug 21, 2007 13:39:46 GMT -5
By: oil.ipo 21 Aug 2007, 01:32 PM EDT Msg. 592774 of 592818 Jump to msg. # I am the first to say when ACCA is "in Character" trust me on that one. However, all one has to do is look at ACCA'S recent performance on say his last 6 appearances and we went from SLAMMING the Texas Group, insults galore to a 180 on the Texas demeanor. A complete step back. Tbeezley said it; "POSTURING", and for those of you who doubt that concept it is used in Business, and on us for years in these rooms IMHO. So it could have gone this way once again with ACCA'S rants of the "MAHEU HAMMER coming down on the TYLER BOZ" as negotiations might have been pressed a little harder to ACT NOW when he/ACCA came back again on the 14th @ 16:43/mp3, and started to talk about a "touchy situation for shareholders wanting to go forth with something" and suddenly took an unexpected long pause in his words. I personally feel that Acca needed that break to collect his thoughts as he was out of his range of what he could comment on relative to "deal maker". He then (later on) was asked again about the Texas group by a shareholder and said something like "NO OBSTACLES, LAST ENTITY SETTLED, MY UNDERSTANDING, NO LAWSUITS, NOTHING." Like DONE DEAL GUYS! ~ So he could have been leveraging that last stroke/card on the deal as if to put the message/pressure out there (to others) that all are growing very impatient and they/Texas better finalize their end (in real time), because the shareholders think that they have a "check in the mail."...most likely.
When 8-20 came and last night ACCA came back from his long needed break conclusion he seemed far from rested to me, in fact he seemed like he had wanted to get right into it and tell us that a "verbal was on the table awaiting a signing." So now the posturing of ACCA was not antagonistic, nor insulting (regarding Texas), nor ambiguous, and you really cannot comment on a deal "on the table" can ya? Unless of course there is a deal and it is done like he said. ACCA seems Stand Off about Mr. Frizzel, which would indicate a settlement is possible. Things have turned around.
I only see what I see, and here is a guy that has taken a complete reversal on his posturing regarding the TEXAS BOYS. Why Bother unless of course he needed to for a reason. That reason could be as I stated.
JMO
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By: ejagacki 21 Aug 2007, 01:36 PM EDT Msg. 592780 of 592819 (This msg. is a reply to 592774 by oil.ipo.) Jump to msg. # oil: ...or it could be because he recently came to realize that he is soon to be held accountable for his slanderous remarks about the Tyler boys... mebbe... ?? - - - - - « Last Edit: Today at 1:23pm by mgl »
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Post by soonerlew on Aug 21, 2007 13:40:13 GMT -5
By: gusjarvis 21 Aug 2007, 02:18 PM EDT Msg. 592836 of 592840 Jump to msg. # anyone thinking the "texas boys" are against us needs to reexamine their powers of reasoning imnotsoho. We are like we were three years ago, two years ago, and one year ago, and now, stuck in the stock of a lifetime that can't make its' shareholders the priority due to much bigger problems. We are fine and have been fine for years as long as the bigger picture works out in our favor, if not you will see bombs drop on iran first and things go from bad to worse. The problem is the rest of the world is not going to let that happen or we could see the last world war, that is their only options now. A full scale change is about to happen or things are going to get very very bad imo, no in between. So as crazy as nesara and fulford sound some version of their full scale changes are about to happen imo and have been in the works for years, and when they are announced we will get our money and move on. Things are lining up for this fall, lets hope there is no delays and the book comes out, the grandfather is going for sure, the movie about 9-11 comes out, the nms system finally gets into place at the same time and not delayed, and finally at the same time hopefully the rumors come true and the fed is finally gone (that is the way it is shaping up in the media finally).
It is sad that it is finally making the news that the criminals just counterfeited the american dollar and exponentially more and charged interest on it, all based on thin air. They had to print enough to pay for the wars they started and made money off of. It is amazing and not surprising if nesara is real, as going to court one would prove the federal reserve was unconstitutional as it clearly is, but getting that enforced by the corrupt system would be nearly impossible. Now the media since cramer almost cried about them in his last meltdown are swarming on the fed, and the american people are just seeing that the fed gave out fake credit out of thin air and are now pull back in real assets like LAND and aren't happey and it is only going to get way worse as the rates mean nothing now and pumping more money in only makes the unsolvable problem even worse.
It is time to see what the brains behind the operation came up with at the end here. Since the credit is exponentially greater than the worlds gross domestic product there has to be a forgivness in debt to fix the problem, which means many take losses big time for being leveraged.
What you should see is a system change to metal backed dollars (including diamonds from us imo or hope any way) after the fed goes (thanks ron paul) and hopefully an outing of what has happened and a change in how news is reported. The american and canadian people and the rest of the world will be filled in, those that don't know it already, of just what a joke things have become and how history needs to be rewritten to reflect the truth.
The thing that has them is the internet, these people are forward thinkers, but they got caught up with imo by the power of the net.
You might think these sites with some conspiracy theories are rediculous but given what you know now and millions know now, and growing everyday, is the system we have acceptable, they know it isn't and the jig is up imo.
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Post by soonerlew on Aug 21, 2007 13:40:45 GMT -5
By: chris_2525 21 Aug 2007, 02:22 PM EDT Msg. 592847 of 592855 Jump to msg. # baloney are you enjoying the new direction the Sheep Masters got the sheep thinking in Paltalk? - - - - -
By: nufced 21 Aug 2007, 02:24 PM EDT Msg. 592851 of 592855 (This msg. is a reply to 592847 by chris_2525.) Jump to msg. # chris, update please. what direction? - - - - -
By: chris_2525 21 Aug 2007, 02:26 PM EDT Msg. 592854 of 592855 (This msg. is a reply to 592851 by nufced.) Jump to msg. # nuf now they are saying that the company will trade again on the open market and that is when we will get paid. So now all of a sudden they are starting to like Frizzell. Go figure. - - - - -
By: klonopin2mg 21 Aug 2007, 02:37 PM EDT Msg. 592867 of 592867 (This msg. is a reply to 592854 by chris_2525.) Jump to msg. # chris_2525'
who are.... "they"?
i've always liked frizzy and KW, i just don't expect my roi to come from the lawsuits or an empty shell no matter "WHO" backs that agenda.....it's just not logical to me. tooooooooooo many folks in line in front of me and i refuse to stand in lines when i "bought" my ticket in advance. JMO!
take care, just one man's opinion
ENJOY YOUR DAY!
klon' and i'm now gonnnnnnnnnn!! i'll look for your response after my 10 mile hike on The Greenway.......in closing, to all bashers and haters .....
do as i do, not as i say................
"TAKE A HIKE" ....a healthy alternative!
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