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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jul 6, 2008 15:23:32 GMT -5
By: cmkmlegal
06 Jul 2008, 11:38 AM EDT
Msg. 739624 of 739735
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What stops the company from settling with John Edwards for .10 on the dollar? Your voice thru an attorney will stop this.
The law is on your side but it is more beneficial for the company to keep you in the dark.
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jul 6, 2008 15:32:33 GMT -5
By: amos8111
06 Jul 2008, 12:07 PM EDT
Msg. 739671 of 739736
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Rosen,
Your contention that Urban had to be a complete idiot for giving up those claims without exploring and possibly letting millions if not billions go doesn’t make sense if you look at it in the light that Urban wasn’t in the mining business. He was in the business of selling stock just as were his many partners and associates and they all did very well for their efforts.
Those claims served the purpose of causing potential buyers of CMKX to believe it was a legitimate mining/exploration company nothing more (this is nothing new to the mining industry; get claims and sell stock look around it is going on today). So the fact that they have been reclaimed by legitimist mining operations proves nothing, except to show the original intent of those involved with CMKX wasn’t to explore or mine.
We all can agree that CMKX raised $10’s of millions that could have been used for exploration and maintenance of their claims but all of the real documentation and proof at this time tells us that didn’t happen. They choose to funnel those millions into their personnel activities and off shore accounts.
Again, if you look at the players involved here with CMKX and all of the public companies that they have used over the years I cannot find one that is actually manufacturing a product, or developing any type of legitimate business.
Rendel and John are at it again over in Switzerland with new companies using the same Ecuadorian mine they used for CMKX and UCAD.. LOL
By: rosencrantz2010
06 Jul 2008, 01:24 PM EDT
Msg. 739716 of 739736
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amos, so you subscribe to the "urban is a complete dimwit whose shortsightedness is exceeded only by his greed" theory.
okay, as i said, that's one possible explanation. we all have to subscribe to some explanation for what we witnessed and the 'dimwit and greedy scam artist' explanation is certainly a viable one at this point in the story, especially since none of us really know exactly what happened with CMKX.
okay, let's review. what did we witness, or at least think we witnessed?
1. well, we saw a man that acquired roughly 2 million acres of claims in the Fort a la Corne region of Saskatchewan, an area with a growing reputation for having possibly the largest diamond field in the world which if proven true would be worth tens, maybe hundreds, of billions of dollars. and the claims urban acquired completely surrounded the known and tested claims of de beers. again, urban acquired claims that completely surrounded de beers' claims on all sides,,,, completely,,, on all sides.
2. and we also know urban paid to have a TDEM analysis conducted on his claims and he had several recognized geologists analyze and interpret those findings. and that analysis showed that urban's claims had many kimberlite pipes on it. and that many of those pipes were part of the same kimberlite fields being explored and tested by de beers and shore gold.
3. and we know cmkx sold more shares of stock than any other company in the history of the stock market.
4. and we know that cmkx was revoked by a federal judge.
5. and we know that urban somehow managed to lose many of those claims.
6. and we know that many of the remaining claims we're turned over to ENTOURAGE MINING because that was about all that was left of the claims owned by cmkx.
7. and we know that shortly after gaining control of those remaining claims ENTOURAGE dumped most of the old CMKX claims because ENTOURAGE determined the claims were not worth keeping.
8. and we know that as of today ENTOURAGE controls only a small portion of the original CMKX claims in an area east of Candle Lake, an area not know for having kimberlite pipes but which might have some. we don't know for sure. but what we do know is just about all of the CMKX claims have been lost.
9. and now we know ENTOURAGE is fighting with cmkx's former lawyer over control of the shares that were to be distributed to CMKX shareholders. ENTOURAGE wants its shares back and it wants to keep the claims. talk about insult to injury!
10. in short, CMKX shareholders now face the real possibility they won't see a single thing come back to them from their investment in CMKX. they no longer own any claims in the FALC and the shares in ENTOURAGE may never be distributed.
at this point a logical conclusion would be that all is lost and urban pulled a fast one on CMKX shareholders by selling the idea that he had valuable claims when in fact all those claims were worthless. and how do we know they were worthless? BECAUSE everyone that once controlled them (CMKX and ENTOURAGE) abandon almost every single one. (ENTOURAGE still has a few of the original claims but not many.)
well, what's the one fly in the ointment, so to speak, of this story?
what calls into question the conclusion that all the claims urban acquired were worthless?
do you know? what one thing turns this conclusion on its head?
ANSWER: all of those "worthless" CMKX claims are now in the hands of SHORE GOLD, SHANE RESOURCES and STAR URANIUM.
what?!
and since that's a FACT (review the current claims map for proof) you might ask yourself if the original idea about urban being a dimwit and shortsighted greedy baastard might be correct.
well, it's not impossible. that is, urban could be a dimwit. and he could be shortsighted and greedy. in fact, many on this board might fit these characterizations. but, it stretches credulity to think this guy would work so hard and for so long in putting this scam together and then learning that the land he acquired was worth tens of billions of dollars of giving it all away for a quick score.
it's possible mind you. i'm not disputing that. the guy could be an A-1 idiot when it comes to finances. but what would you do, what would most people do if they were told they had a choice of $30 million immediately or tens of billions of dollars in a matter of years while still getting to live the life of a millionaire? it's like deal or no deal, except in urban's situation he already knew what was inside each briefcase. he had the info. he knew what he had in those claims.
and you are going to tell me you believe that greedy baaastard (your words) gave it all away knowing full well the billions he had underneath all that land?
maybe we need to rethink some of our basic assumptions about the value of those claims and what we would do if we were in urban's shoes and confronted with the fact that we controlled land worth tens, perhaps hundreds, of billions of dollars.
what would we do? would we just give it all away,,, walk away from it and leave it for the competition to pick up for free?
does that make sense?
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jul 6, 2008 15:33:30 GMT -5
By: amos8111
06 Jul 2008, 02:45 PM EDT
Msg. 739726 of 739736
(This msg. is a reply to 739716 by rosencrantz2010.)
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Rosen,
I don’t know if his original intent was to take the money and run.
What I do know is his past involvement with Petro Plus and the false gold statement he made in a PR that had the stock running.
What I do know is that he formulated the most prolific stock promotion of all time without producing a single dime.
What I do know is that those he surrounded himself with have a history of selling stock without actually producing any type of real business activity. Even Maheu, Glenn and Stoecklien have in the past been involved with questionable penny stocks so I for one do not see them as some type of crusaders looking out for our interest. And just looking at results to date it seems that they were as much a part of the pump and dump as the rest of the group.
Entourage and Shore, Shane and Star are public companies and I have yet to read where any deals were made concerning swaps or sales of claims that were held by Entourage. According to Entourage they simply allowed those claims to lapse and were picked up by others. Shore says they picked those claims up using the normal methods and Saskatchewan gov confirms it. You can speculate that there were deals but you cannot prove it or state it as fact.
The lawsuit between and Entourage and CMKM concerning the 45 million shares and what is left of the claims isn’t relevant to Urban’s actions at this juncture.
Controlling claims or even knowing that they actually have kimberlite deposits on them doesn’t guarantee that they will ever product a single diamond. In the vast majority of cases they do not. It takes years and $10’s of millions to get even to the point that Shore it today.
You keep referring to Urban as a dimwit because he ended up with $30 to 80 million of our money but I don’t buy that label. If it had not been for Bill Frizzell stepping in and asking questions he most likely could have bankrupted the company and walked away.
Not bad for a former prison guard hey?
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jul 6, 2008 15:39:08 GMT -5
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jul 6, 2008 15:43:00 GMT -5
diamondbilly
DIAMOND JEDI
Sunday morning coffee....« Thread Started Today at 8:40am »
Sitting here having my Sunday morning coffee with thoughts running ramped in my head, I'm quick to blame it on the caffeine but truly it all started long before my first sip. What is up with my world, it seems adrift in a storm being thrashed about form all angles. Financial woes tearing at the fabric of my family life. The ongoing stress battering my body from the inside. I sit struggling to find a way out, for my sanity depends on it. Like a freight train running out of track before a "bridge out", I'm in a mild panic. I turn to these boards in hope for some news that might ease the worry on my head, only to realize "its a mind funk"!
Our company strikes a huge moral victory and does nothing to acknowledge it. Thoughts that the Tylor boys are selling us out and the mind control battle rages with fury, run uncontested. The deprivation be-stilled upon us by this management team is for what good reason? I can only conclude its a control issue with these ego maniacs. Acting with total disregard for their obligation to keep us informed and accounting for their actions taken on our behalf. Even the simplest of communications seem impossible for the Tylor team at this point. Hide and sneak, play on words, now the silent treatment. Are they looking to push guys like me over the edge? Are they looking to make us all snap?
Tylor lyes and says they don't read these boards, but we know the truth. They keep secrets about the operations and how its being funded. They hold no respect for us and prove it with the silence. I understand us needing to wage war against the market wrong doers but now it seems our own generals are being corrupted. The lour of big money filling their greedy heads as they turn a blind eye to where they came from. The trust we've given them is in question and always has been.
Are we to be the "Phoenix" or just "Dust in the Wind"?
We're sure burning in h&ll right now.
Billy
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jul 6, 2008 15:50:21 GMT -5
Re: Pal Talk rumors
« Reply #41 Today at 1:55am »
Today at 1:05am, swather wrote:
Looks like the DTCC and the SEC are taking the attitude that "tough, sorry to hear about your problems but we are not going to do anything about it"..........."and if you don't really like that, then sue us".............like the shareholders have sufficient funds to file a law suit against the DTCC and the SEC...........
scruffy2
DIAMOND JEDI
Swather,
I think you pretty much nailed it. Who holds the proof of what we have been aledging here with regard to FTD's? Why would they pay up when stonewalling is fully endorsed by the system that allowed this to happen in the first place? They all get to cover their A$$et$ this way.
We are apparently not being paid and nobody of consequence is leading the charge on correcting market corruption, at least as far as defrauded companies and shareholders are concerned. Do we really think the system gives a rat's A$$ about their responsibilities?
I am now thinking that IBM was concerned about changing the system more than seeing it compensating the defrauded. What suggests otherwise?
I think we need to make more noise...
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jul 6, 2008 15:52:12 GMT -5
Re: Pal Talk rumors
« Reply #41 Today at 1:55am » Today at 1:05am, swather wrote:Looks like the DTCC and the SEC are taking the attitude that "tough, sorry to hear about your problems but we are not going to do anything about it"..........."and if you don't really like that, then sue us".............like the shareholders have sufficient funds to file a law suit against the DTCC and the SEC........... scruffy2
DIAMOND JEDISwather, I think you pretty much nailed it. Who holds the proof of what we have been aledging here with regard to FTD's? Why would they pay up when stonewalling is fully endorsed by the system that allowed this to happen in the first place? They all get to cover their A$$et$ this way. We are apparently not being paid and nobody of consequence is leading the charge on correcting market corruption, at least as far as defrauded companies and shareholders are concerned. Do we really think the system gives a rat's A$$ about their responsibilities? I am now thinking that IBM was concerned about changing the system more than seeing it compensating the defrauded. What suggests otherwise? I think we need to make more noise...
DIAMOND JEDI WARLORD agree with you scruffy, Who is rushing to pay us when the biggest issue.. which was nss in cmkx totaly put under the carpet. Its hidden from the sec and hidden from the company .. to the shareholders.. We are not getting involved in any way... and we are letting present management slide any way they want to .. For all we know .. nss could have been put under the carpet.. old team gone, and tyler only trying to make money for themselves. Then what they decide not to take for "expenses" they will play the company.. which again suites TOGI Ownersgroup ambitions. And shareholders are left as suckers.. lead like this for years and years. Obused not once.. but again and again. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We have no proof to see that somebody is taking care of us. but we see others taking care of themselves.. begining with sec and putting nss under the carpet to.. tyler team.. setting themselves up financialy and otherwise. Others taking care of themselves here is blatantly clear. The only thing that is blatantly unclear is what happened with our nss and if anybody is taking care of the shareholders interest at all. Everybody is playing their part for themselves. And we are letting them.. by not interupting anybody. Whats the end results ..? so far big ZERO for shareholders. |
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 6, 2008 15:55:29 GMT -5
Thanks to ggroovy..... By: guru11 06 Jul 2008, 01:26 AM EDT Msg. 739533 of 739711 (This msg. is a reply to 739505 by gotoil1870.) Jump to msg. # gotoil1870... Now ,I've been around since the yr 2000, dealing with this naked shorting issue. Heard it all once or twice, I'm little flabergasted right now, You said a mouthful, You see, I think your right.....to a tee. What your missing is the pre aug 2003? I happen to (represent) the pre cmki, or cmkm, or cmkx for that matter.The pre is even more exciting, The Vindication LLC part. That will get you think'in, I hope. You see I happen to think a swap took place the last week of july 2003. With another pink sheet shell, about to be revoked (planned) under the DOJ<SEC. The Info on that company has been hidden behind the FOIA for 5 yrs. Thats ur vindication LLC..its Naked too by the way. Now what I'm asking you to do is think about that for a day. Lets see if you can't add a little som ting to that last post with what I've just provided. If theres anything eles I can help u with let me know! regards guru11 imo By: guru11 29 Mar 2008, 02:22 PM EDT Msg. 694347 of 739711 Jump to msg. # There is something to be said.... for the people who Didn't Listen! Failure Was Never an OPTION! enjoy the day! What Remains is hidden behind the FOIA! and Not one person can dispute this FACT! --and match that first post with this one--- By: mquietstorm3 03 Jul 2008, 11:00 AM EDT Msg. 738952 of 739711 Jump to msg. # " POCKET YOU IN MIGHT NOT BE THE POCKET YOU IN " eom abadgoodgirl DIAMOND JEDI WARLORD Re: weekly buzz-talk 7/6 « Reply #6 Today at 2:54pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ahhh the pre-August swap.. yes.. thank goodness it did NOT include the claims at that time. The contract to sign on the dotted line to put the claims in CMKX was December 2003. Very clever.. the claims were with the new CMKI/CMKX post swap and the pre-swap got zippo. Sort of like out with the dirty..in with the clean.. Then the campaign...and it goes from there. Looks like we ARE the real stockholders! "Got CMKX?" Fire into ICE... Diamonds ICE...CMKX ICE.... justICE millionaires.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=main&action=display&thread=20821 |
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jul 6, 2008 15:59:58 GMT -5
MineralsRus
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Important ! Rule 1101 and 1102 - Fair Funds Act.« Thread Started on Jul 2, 2008, 8:55pm » www.sec.gov/about/rulesprac2006.pdfSearch for Rule 1101 and 1102. Mathias1
Maggot Moderator
Re: Important ! Rule 1101 and 1102 - Fair Funds A« Reply #1 on Jul 4, 2008, 7:46am » Irrelevant.  .... PR you know something??PORTRUSH
Executive AdministratorAgreed. Some folks in for a surprise soon. pr
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 6, 2008 16:03:42 GMT -5
itwillhappen Diamond Finder and Miner Re: last from belgium « Reply #12 Today at 11:07am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Woden, do us a favor and stop this game your playing like so many. All of you have different reasons, dates, amounts etc etc. When a few come close to the same reasons, dates, amounts etc etc, shareholders say that it must be true because we have a match from some rumors. Why don't you just say we will get paid within 10 yrs..., you may come close to a date, IF WE GET PAID OF COURSE. I'm tired of all this stuff, week after week after week for 5 yrs now, please go away unless you give us proof of this stuff, you haven't along with anyone else provided facts to back your rumors up. And don't say that your life will be threatened or black helicopters are flying around you everyday so you have to stay quiet because I will fall down with laughter. « Last Edit: Today at 11:09am by itwillhappen » tramp2.proboards88.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5455 |
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 6, 2008 16:04:39 GMT -5
ming117 Diamond Finder Re: last from belgium « Reply #11 Today at 10:56am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- it's not wodan who invents this dates, he is only bringing to the board what he is hearing from what he feels are more or less better informed people, because of their position in society. this is not a fixed thing, but a continuous moving and evolving story, and some people get glimpses sometimes of this moving, evolving story that others don't get. it would be nice if everything that is brought to the boards would be 100% correct, but that is obviously not the way info is leaked. it's all mixed with lots of disinformation and nonsense about imminent payouts next week. and maybe, in the greater scheme of things, even that has a meaning... « Last Edit: Today at 10:58am by ming117 » tramp2.proboards88.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5455 |
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 6, 2008 16:09:45 GMT -5
gusjarvis King of Diamonds Re: gossip 7/6/08 « Reply #17 Today at 10:53am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I talked to john martin years ago, edwards was already caught and did not dump those share raises. He was already long gone, so that says it all, it was a sting as they pretended he was still dumping. Meanwhile we know that roger was working at the exact same time with leslie, and andy was getting call about the hotrod shop. Not hard to see tramp2.proboards88.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5457&page=1 |
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jul 6, 2008 19:14:31 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010
06 Jul 2008, 05:48 PM EDT
Msg. 739740 of 739770(This msg. is a reply to 739739 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # was urban casavant so stupid and shortsighted he let the FALC claims slip away? is urban casavant the world's greatest schlemiel? is urban casavant Canada's version of sad sack? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Sack just imagine. controlling billions and letting it all slip away. By: CHICPICK
06 Jul 2008, 05:58 PM EDT
Msg. 739744 of 739770(This msg. is a reply to 739743 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # rosen, He used the claims to perpetrate the scam. If he had a brain he would have realized that the claims in the mineral rich FALC would have made him and the shareholders a million times the amount that he and his clan ripped off. Properly done, the value of CMKX would be around 10 bucks solid, and rising, but he made it impossible by dumping hundreds of billions of shares on the heads of the shareholders. Now others will use those claims (the good ones) to make billions for their holders, leaving us to suck hind teat. Urban is not only a grredy pig. He's dumb too. By: mquietstorm3
06 Jul 2008, 06:40 PM EDT
Msg. 739750 of 739773Jump to msg. # " WHOSE IN CONTROL " eom
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Jul 6, 2008 19:22:35 GMT -5
By: gusjarvis
06 Jul 2008, 07:00 PM EDT
Msg. 739754 of 739776(This msg. is a reply to 739739 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # and rosen the conglomerate my friend they held our land the whole time and are involved in this fake case our partners:
Franko10 ™
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Wescan is the spin off for Shore Gold,.... wescan shares claims with claude and 4 out of 6 board members from Shore are past affiliates of Claude.
Weird,...
shore is wescan really: www.secinfo.com/d171Yu.zvw.c.htm and our connection to shore: www.wescangoldfields.com/properties/munro/
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Post by snifferpup on Jul 6, 2008 20:00:45 GMT -5
CASPER UPDATE: July 6, 2008
casper 7-6-08
The last update should have read "Its tempting to "cuss 'em out". Not cuss me out. You are not tempted to cuss me out. Are you?
WE had heard last Thursday the Pacific Rim Trustee had been fired and replaced but didn't mention it on the 4th. Yesterday morning we heard the Connecticut Trustee was also fired last Wednesday or Thursday and last evening that he and the four Trustees under him have been arrested and/or replaced.
Also, Bill & Hillary, Greenspan and the big boy(s) at CITI were up to their a__es in alligators. WE hear Hillary is "ratting" out all the others. What fun, hearing that the rats in the sack are feeding on each other. Bill has been "detained" we hear. Senior was in Germany last week making threats about letting Clinton go-or else. Sounds like it didn't work out for him or for Clinton. Laura and Shrub are off to Japan for the G-8. Cheney must be in his bunker, no word about him in several days.
The codes had to be changed as a result of the above so that looks like the reason for the delay.
Those gone over the pond last week in expectation of access Friday (after us) stayed over there and got the red carpet treatment and a new promise of Monday or Tuesday.
Soooooo, 2 +2 = delv today or tomorrow for us we think, some sources say mid week.
Now that our business update is concluded how about some more last minute chit chat?
Now everyone, except the paid for talking heads on television, are warning of the impending crash of the world economy especially in the U.S.... Royal Bank of Scotland, Barclays, Goldman, Fortis, Schultz, Sinclair, Paul and many others have issued statements and warnings recently. A Paul speech to be delivered on the House floor next week is posted on Fourwinds. Its now coming from everywhere as if someone finally turned on the lights. As WE said here months ago, the cost of consumables will continue to rise in price while the value of "assets" will simultaneously deflate. Add to this the loss of credit creation from fractional banking and the ending of endless increases in monetary aggregates by the FED (as the metals backed Treasury kicks in) and then add in the pending political upheavals, disclosures and arrest and the on- going write downs in the banks and the yet to be acknowledged derivatives crisis and the monocline's(insurance) crisis and you need not be a rocket scientist to recognize the impending perfect storm. As you witness these unfolding events remember that this is a "restructuring" going on and the beginning of a new and better and more just world coming on the heels of the old. Once the initial trauma (12/18 months???) has passed we can set about the business of replacing the phony paper economy constructed by the Illuminati Bankers and Politicians at the expense of the rest of the world. We will recover our lost freedom and sovereignty and rebuild on a solid foundation instead of the existing quicksand of fiat currency, corrupted law and courts, corrupt Politicians and Banks.
How rough is it going to get? It depends to a great extent upon what we don't know yet, I.E. the content of the announcements. Will all bank debt be cancelled? Including credit card debt? How about mortgage debt? Is it true that social security recipients will receive $3000. monthly? That the traitors will be arrested? That we will exit three successive 70 year "Bankruptcy of Nations" Contracts and end the CORPORATION of the UNITED STATES and its dozens of Sub-Corporations and return to the Constitution? Will Merchants/Admiralty law be ended and Common Law (Constitution) be reinstated? Is it real? Is it to much to believe in?
I for one do believe in it. All of it.
This is the week that should tell the tale.
Of course we must have new leadership so while we are wishing upon on a star lets go ahead and anticipate a new caretaker government stepping forward which will explain the way out of the crisis we are facing. This scenario would not include Obama or McCain. An Obama presidency would turn the country over to the liberals at every level including the Supreme Court, a disaster equivalent to giving your 13 year old son the keys to the car and a bottle of whiskey and instructions to be safe. McCain, while something of a maverick, would continue to be a pawn of the corrupt Banking and unconstitutional political systems. We don't hear much about this "government in waiting". Just enough to keep hope alive.
We are not "out of the woods" regarding BUSH/CHENEY/ROBERTS/PAULSON/BERNAKE/CHERTOFF/
CLINTON, ETC. until we have the announcements on television. BUSH has the power to declare an "Economic Emergency" and dictate the actions of the Banks. This is now a very remote possibility as all news says the world has overcome the DRS's (dirty rotten scoundrels).
Secrecy continues at all levels and disinfo abounds yet we are confident the status as presented above is reasonably accurate. Will report if changes occur.
casper 7-6-08
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