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Post by soonerlew on Nov 28, 2008 15:44:41 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010
28 Nov 2008, 12:30 PM EST
Msg. 782359 of 782437
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greedy, if bill frizzell is to be believed he stated long ago that cmkx would trade again.
it won't take much to get us trading again. if we get even a handfull of money from edwards and/or urban, we use it to buy back into a few of the jv deals we had with star and united, we put the financials together (which should be easy), and given that the sec "likes" us, we should be able to trade again. it doesn't seem insurmountable.
By: rosencrantz2010
28 Nov 2008, 12:33 PM EST
Msg. 782360 of 782438
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make sure all loop holes allowing for naked shorting are closed and we could be ready to go.
and if there is a modest naked short, let's say 50-100b then that should be cleaned up in the first few months of trading.
i also don't understand why tyler isn't talking more aggressively about this stuff.
come on, TYLER! speak up. tell us what's happening and where we're headed. force the issue!
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 28, 2008 15:46:41 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010
28 Nov 2008, 12:23 PM EST
Msg. 782357 of 782439
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hansolong, there are a lot of posters that agree with those sentiments. the truth does lie somewhere in the middle. let's just hope were not all dead before that truth comes out!
on another matter, why the hell is tyler dragging its feet with the courts and not pushing for the summary judgement? if we take everything at face value then shouldn't tyler just be dying to get their hands on the settlement funds they'll get from urban? if they got $33 million from edwards you'd think the courts would award them $30m to $50m from urban. well, why aren't they drooling to get their hands on urban's money? not a peep out of tyler about the urban settlement money. why aren't they pissssing and moaning for those funds?
even if they didn't get the money you'd think that if they really believe urban is the mastermind crook and they hate him that they would do whatever they could to stick him with a sharp stick every chance they got.
By: hanssolong
28 Nov 2008, 12:33 PM EST
Msg. 782362 of 782439
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Your right but don't forget the lawyer always gets paid.And not all lawyers are on the level.But remember those lawyers are shareholders a big advantage for shareholders.The sec didn't do their job here and the corruption was deeper then anyone thought.Now the public realizes how crooked the market is too bad they had to learn the expensive way.And too bad for the people that retired and had to go back to work if they can find any.
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Post by johnjrambothe2nd on Nov 28, 2008 16:29:36 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010 28 Nov 2008, 12:23 PM EST Msg. 782357 of 782439 (This msg. is a reply to 782353 by hanssolong.) Jump to msg. # hansolong, there are a lot of posters that agree with those sentiments. the truth does lie somewhere in the middle. let's just hope were not all dead before that truth comes out! on another matter, why the hell is tyler dragging its feet with the courts and not pushing for the summary judgement? if we take everything at face value then shouldn't tyler just be dying to get their hands on the settlement funds they'll get from urban? if they got $33 million from edwards you'd think the courts would award them $30m to $50m from urban. well, why aren't they drooling to get their hands on urban's money? not a peep out of tyler about the urban settlement money. why aren't they pissssing and moaning for those funds? even if they didn't get the money you'd think that if they really believe urban is the mastermind crook and they hate him that they would do whatever they could to stick him with a sharp stick every chance they got. By: hanssolong 28 Nov 2008, 12:33 PM EST Msg. 782362 of 782439 (This msg. is a reply to 782357 by rosencrantz2010.) Jump to msg. # Your right but don't forget the lawyer always gets paid.And not all lawyers are on the level.But remember those lawyers are shareholders a big advantage for shareholders.The sec didn't do their job here and the corruption was deeper then anyone thought.Now the public realizes how crooked the market is too bad they had to learn the expensive way.And too bad for the people that retired and had to go back to work if they can find any.
Why aren't there any indictments (as with Tyco's Dennis Kozlowski)?
Why are we still here? along with West, Frizzel, Falk, etc.
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 28, 2008 21:36:51 GMT -5
pennypauly Mini Mod Re: the buzz 11/24 -> « Reply #13 Today at 4:27pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ty BHollenegg Hello Andy, Gangusgreen, and All Based on the Broker document information… A mutual fund tender is being offered at a premium to the market price. The description of the tender offer is Entourage Shares for CMKX Certificate Holders. The tender offer is oversubscribed by 9 times. For each authorized share of CMKX, there are 9 times the amount of CMKX in the market. In other words, 703.5 Billion Authorized Outstanding Shares multiply by 9 equals 6.3315 Trillion Shares of CMKX. Therefore, 6.3315 Trillion shares were required to be covered at a premium determined to be the market price, which for a private company is a fair price determined based on the value determined by the company. In conclusion... This document confirms the naked short amount was known before the Certificate Pull. Recall, Urban was the second largest shareholder in a company, CSII, which specialized in monitoring and identifying naked shorting activities. This document confirms Funds were collected. Shareholders will be more than satisfied with their compensation is what was conveyed to me. Stay above the dark clouds and you will clearly see the Stars ... Thank you, BHollenegg Based on the definitions referenced below… Oversubscribed A situation in which the demand for an initial public offering of securities exceeds the number of shares issued. www.investopedia.com/terms/o/oversubscribed.aspTender Offer An offer to purchase some or all of shareholders' shares in a corporation. The price offered is usually at a premium to the market price. www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tenderoffer.aspMutual Fund A mutual fund is a company that brings together money from many people and invests it in stocks, bonds or other assets. The combined holdings of stocks, bonds or other assets the fund owns are known as its portfolio. Each investor in the fund owns shares, which represent a part of these holdings. www.sec.gov/investor/tools/mfcc/mutual-fund-help.htm« Last Edit: Today at 9:48am by BHollenegg » ___________________________________________________ Today at 10:01am, mnwriter wrote: Hi Bob, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so it's no shock to me that I'm not following what you're saying. Can you explain (in simple bunny rabbit language) how this proves funds were collected for CMKX? When I read it, I assumed it dealt only with Entourage. Thanks Bob, and pardon my stupidity. ___________________________________________________ by BHollenegg The shares which were naked shorted shares had to be paid for by the ones responsible in order to have the shares converted to certificates. The letter states the stock was oversold by a mulitiplier of 9. George Stephenson, EXEC VP of the Owner's Group, confirmed that money was collected during the cert pull. Recall, the OG assisted with the share count. IMO, I feel this is how the DTCC ended up with the compensation funds. Take care, BHollenegg « Last Edit: Today at 4:28pm by pennypauly » millionaires.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=main&action=display&thread=23498 |
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 28, 2008 21:49:14 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010
28 Nov 2008, 12:59 PM EST
Msg. 782372 of 782454
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this is the most succinct and hopeful forecast,,,
By: my69z
25 Oct 2008, 11:58 AM EDT
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CMKX is either a payout or trade out. EOM
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 28, 2008 21:52:15 GMT -5
By: jlecks
28 Nov 2008, 03:25 PM EST
Msg. 782433 of 782454
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Hi Rosen,
Hope all is well.
The value of the claims is unimportant; as is NSS.
From my ignorant and uneducated POV, three people, fairly well connected to this stock, have all confirmed (directly or indirectly) that the SEC was fully aware that "unregistered" shares were being dumped into the marketplace...
Some might call this Market Manipulation.
Why? Because, in theory, had the SEC done their job (don't forget they were {supposedly} made fully aware of the situation) and had those shares not been dumped into the market; in all probabilistic modelling scenarios, those who had purchased shares prior to this advanced stage of flooding the market with this extended deluge of shares, would have realized a rise in share price; thus allowing those people the opportunity to sell them in a true, free-market scenario and make a profit.
So... Either the SEC was asleep at the wheel or they had a good reason for doing this...
Some say "sting;" some say incompetence. Whatever the case may be, a lot of people seem to want to pretend this never happened.
Either way, it seems that the price of CMKM Diamonds was indirectly-directly manipulated by those very people whose job it is to ensure that such manipulation does not take place.
Why haven't certain people been named in this disaster?
Why isn't Tyler exploiting this venue?
Why aren't attorneys lining up around the block to get a piece of this action...?
We deserve compensation for being led into this; like helpless animals being led into the slaughterhouse... This has been the reality for the last five years... This little experiment was the antithesis of the laws that the government has put in place to ensure our Market's stability. It's time to be compensated.
JMO.
By: rosencrantz2010
28 Nov 2008, 03:32 PM EST
Msg. 782436 of 782454
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jlecks, couldn't agree more. we've been had, by more than a few and i would like to see it be resolved so most of us can just move forward with things. talk about a monkey on your back, well, cmkx feels like a gorilla to me.
why tyler isn;t screaming about this is odd. if they need money, and they have successfully sued urban, then why aren't they asking the judge to issue a summary judgement. i know people say that urban doesnt have any money and it's not worth tyler's time and resources to go after him but i find that to be a weak argument. if they really believe what they say about urban ripping everyone off then why not pursue the bassstarrd to the gates of hell? why let him off the hook?
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 28, 2008 21:52:55 GMT -5
By: rosencrantz2010
28 Nov 2008, 03:44 PM EST
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everyone involved in this mess seems to be operating in slo-mo. no doubt it seems fast to them, but from the outside it sure seems like everyone is taking their sweet time to reach a conclusion about things.
for example, it took forrrrrrrrrever to serve urban - way longer than it should have, and now that the bassstard never shows up on his appointed day to defend himself, TYLER, who filed the stupid suit against URBAN in the first place, now claims that urban isn't worth going after! WHAT?!!! how stupid is that? then why did you dimwits bother to even sue his fat asssss in the first place? geeeeezzzz.
and the oreo fight between shane and shore also took forrrrrreverr! it was as though they didn't really care how quick they got in there to start drilling, although shane said they were just dying to get in there. well, i haven't seen one word about them drilling now that they won.
and what the hell is hakala doing? good lord, she going to be able to retire from the SEC with full benefits if this case drags on much longer. she's been at it for years and from what i can tell hasn't accomplished much other than to win the edwards case, and that was only because the bastarddd never showed up to defend himself. and where the hell is that money from edwards to tyler?
and why is our new CEO and BOD so goddammm silent about moving forward? what the helll are they doing? come on guys, make some calls! do some deals. get some money. start talking about our financials. SPEAK!! speak about where and when we are moving forward and how we are moving forward. you and everyone else in tyler gives me the sense that we are all trapped in some d*mnnnn time warp and we can't move.
someone get some ballls and start taking action! move us forward. please!
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 29, 2008 15:44:59 GMT -5
ty luci..
Ming...
Re: It's Been A Pleasure (Acca related posts)
« Reply #7597 Today at 5:17am »
acca gives us hints and "tidbits" of information on what is going on, in the background, from what he can see...
and at the same time he plays a game with dates, not fully aware of the effect he has on many people who better should not read his predictions, if they can't handle it...
through the little cracks in the wall of deafening silence he provides us with small hints of hope...
and from another "source", a big european bank, we hear hoping is NOT a waste of time
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 29, 2008 15:45:41 GMT -5
ty pennypauly................
ty wodan11
Re: Hey Richy, where's the packets?
« Reply #18 Today at 8:19am »
well like i said
urban is paying frizz and the big breanfork that is going on
in frizz his words ------ the shareholders will know soon enough
and to rumors that i hear and knowing where they are coming from are telling me and flugel that nothing is coming now this year imo
so when ?
maybe after bush is gone ?
or maybe when they are sure that we are ready to take any offer they will do ?
or maybe the banking shi*t must be done first ?
i have talked last week to a new banking source (private banking) and they agree on most we think say
that they have to pay us or buy us out or.... but say at the same time you never know nothing is for sure yet
the old guy that we talk to so a source told us before summer this ... he said ...
nothing you can do this needs time ... tell your self that it probably will be all over by the end off next year ... and hope that it will start a soon as possible
imo they are still working on elec. shares and thats the job off Tyler
who knows how long still i guess no1 knows
old guy said the day that they are ready to start it all the day after we will all know
so back to what frizz said ----- the shareholders will know soon enough
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Post by soonerlew on Nov 29, 2008 15:46:43 GMT -5
ty pennypauly......
By: leowanta
29 Nov 2008, 11:56 AM EST
Msg. 782752 of 782781
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because the true value of the company had not been considered.
the $1.54 being paid was just the DTCC damages without valuation of the company that was destroyed. (our claims worth 30 trillion i heard)
leowanta�
By: leowanta
29 Nov 2008, 12:01 PM EST
Msg. 782759 of 782781
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ask urban, i don't know what he told them.
what i do know is the fed ponied up 7.2 trillion last week....was that a coinkydink? Now, when did Ben get finished printing this money for the dtcc to distribute? YES!
Thank You Father
leowanta�
By: leowanta
29 Nov 2008, 12:35 PM EST
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i just want to say CONGRATULATIONS CMKXERS....
i think we did an OUTSTANDING JOB...our part was to be quiet so the SEC and DTCC could figure this out....how they would crash the market in an orderly manner to correct this morass....and they did it...while we stood quietly by waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting....for the BIG CRASH....now we've seen it, and soon it will be cured.....once we get paid our stimulus to the economy and to the market will cause all the fears to go away.....with Leowanta money, many companies will be saved from dire straights....this new beginning is a REFRESH...on a legitimate playing field...no shorts will ever get the cahnge to destory our markets again...
with CITI biting the dust with the regulators watching, we showed them how destructive short sales are to any company, no matter how BIG they are; all companies with a huge Authorized to Issue, that leaves the company vulnerable to short sales is subject to fail....shorting is destructive, it's easy to short, it's much harder to increase the pps....shorters have lots of money so it's easy for them to destroy any company by simply selling them short, taking them down for a bigger profit on the upside ....hopefully, the regulators will correct all that and the markets (computerize the trade...one sell to one buy..nothing less will do) we then will be free of fraud, that is until the crooks find another loophole....and the game goes on and on and on....good v evil.....thank goodness America has the strength of goodness and true patriots to keep us strong.....
God Bless CMKERS!
God Bless America
Thank You Father
leowanta�
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 29, 2008 19:04:40 GMT -5
By: wuitgameover
29 Nov 2008, 01:47 PM EST
Msg. 782799 of 782871
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Let me break it down for you WalMart style:
39,000 shareholders requested and received certs
40,000 shareholders never received certs = 622 Billion unregistered shares
By: newtopennies
29 Nov 2008, 01:58 PM EST
Msg. 782804 of 782871
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WUIT...WILL those unregistered be protected? TIA.
By: wuitgameover
29 Nov 2008, 01:48 PM EST
Msg. 782800 of 782871
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you see there is actually 79,000 shareholders
By: wuitgameover
29 Nov 2008, 02:44 PM EST
Msg. 782817 of 782871
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remember this - shareholders who received certs were wrapped up when Urban stepped down - another 40,000 still hold NSS - UC what I C
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 29, 2008 19:12:36 GMT -5
By: gusjarvis
29 Nov 2008, 03:07 PM EST
Msg. 782820 of 782871 Jump to msg. # we have all the proof here, it is open and shut like bud burrell said, we just have to do it: While fee arrangements may vary with specific cases, Class Members usually don't have to pay any fees to Class Action lawyers to handle their lawsuit. Class Action lawyers are usually paid a percentage of the award if they win, and nothing if they lose. Also, Class Action lawyers usually pay for all of the up front disbursement costs, such as expert reports, advertising costs, and mailing and administration costs; in larger Class Actions, this can amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Fee arrangements must be approved by the Court. www.lawyers-bc.com/classactions/clafees.htm- - - - - By: sportsman93306
29 Nov 2008, 03:21 PM EST
Msg. 782825 of 782871 (This msg. is a reply to 782820 by gusjarvis.) Jump to msg. # GUS ARE U SUGGESTING CLASS ACTION, NOW?EM By: gusjarvis
29 Nov 2008, 03:56 PM EST
Msg. 782841 of 782871 (This msg. is a reply to 782825 by sportsman93306.) Jump to msg. # sport for a couple reasons, one pressure, two the scum who have f'd us are still f'ing us right now, they are walking away with golden parachutes instead of cuffs. Because cnbc and the rest that aided this scum are still spinning the chit out of everything from stocks to covering up the rest of the fraud the leaders of our world do. Not because I think our certs weren't covered years ago, my friend they were, but that is not the point. The sec and dtc and brokers and hedges and media deserve front page perp walks and public hangings. I would love to see a shareholders coalition that sue for respect in the future, and for the information they are hiding from us! By: thingyysbestfriend
29 Nov 2008, 04:01 PM EST
Msg. 782842 of 782871 (This msg. is a reply to 782841 by gusjarvis.) Jump to msg. # gus, i have always enjoyed your posts and know that you are a true loyal shareholder. have faith in the team and wait to the end to see who is really on our side. it might be a little surprising. we are in very good hands and always have been. no worries By: gusjarvis
29 Nov 2008, 04:34 PM EST
Msg. 782853 of 782871 (This msg. is a reply to 782842 by thingyysbestfriend.) Jump to msg. # not too worried dbf, lots of money printed to pay us, the scum printing the checks though
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 29, 2008 19:17:06 GMT -5
By: leowanta 29 Nov 2008, 03:41 PM EST Msg. 782837 of 782871 Jump to msg. # very good insightful post mr. 737man, seems logical to me 737man
Re: It's Been A Pleasure (Acca related posts)
« Reply #7582 Yesterday at 11:02pm » Connie, you're so funny...sometimes I wake up and don't even know what day it is hehe "...speaking of CITI being a turkey on a hot plate......." Nice one John. hehe I've often thought to myself lately that Citi was the biggest debtor to CMKX. Most of the others were able to pay their liability to cover the certs. Citi, maybe, was given some time to 'derivatise' off-balance sheet the covering of CMKX. They were probably allowed to put a 'chit' in the trust funds accounts, held by a depository like the DTC as Bob H. says, like the brokers did to us ie CIM 1&2 markers. I dunno but I've read that Citi had 98+% of their derivatives traded ex-clearing with no oversight or exchange involved. $37 trillion. Lots of exposure and time to make money off-balance sheet like Oaks alluded to tho he didn't mention Citi directly I don't believe. I think this 'quiet settlement' got out of control when someone saw a turd in the pool and caused a stampede. I think the extent of ex-clearing settlement in the whole system was unrealized outside of the SEC/DTCC and when markers/IOU's started coming due via CDS's and CDO's, it became everyman for himself. I think the DTCC is trying the back door approach to quietly cover the trades they already settled. FED monies, trillions, were pumped into the system with no apparent effect. They had to have covered something... I think PROMIS+ software via Mahue and team accelerated the system-wide collusion exposure and CitiGroup was one of the biggest abusers, not just of stocks and derivatives, but of money laundering, drug monies, gun running, and hedge fund borrowing and laundering. Their history seems rife with these tasty items. All this time unwinding gives the KLOWNS time to hide assets, get their 'get out of jail free' cards, and hide the real old-world ties and current power brokers ties to this mess. Looks like the wormhole is still in place over Humble...clear your 'eye' for us. Hope you and your mom are doing well tonite. Guesses and jmo. tramp2.proboards88.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6904 |
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 29, 2008 19:22:25 GMT -5
By: oil.ipo
29 Nov 2008, 05:37 PM EST
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From 4-25-2008- It's a done deal-
"Jac, It's A Done Deal!!! PERIOD!! Keep Your Staunch Stance My Friend!! It WIll Pay Huge DIVIDENDS Down The Road!!! "~procmkm
Today at 8:00pm, eureka1968 wrote:"Acca, when will we Recieve the 1st payment and what is the delay?"
"Eureka, Still Looking For April, SEC." ~procmkm
"That's A Very Sensitive Question. I Do What I Do Because I Am Directed To Do So. Obviously I Am Tired, You Are Tired, We All Are Tired! I Do Know The Outcome, And Obviously I Don't Know The Exact Date And Time That The Trigger Will Be Pulled!"
"But I Do Know That The Initial Payment Will Be North Of .23 And South Of .57 And SEVERAL Payments To Follow The Initial Payment! The Job I Have Had These Many Years Was A No Win Situation For Me And I Accepted That Challenge, Regardless If It Was Right Or Wrong In your Mind Of Transmitting Disinformation Or Not."
"I learned As The Agonizing Process Went On And On And On, I Am Merely Here To Keep The SH Base Intact And Sane, Whether Or Not I Have Achieved That Goal Is A Moot Point At This Time!!!! ~Acca "
EOM
By: gotoil1870
29 Nov 2008, 06:36 PM EST
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oil tell acca keeping us sane didnt work....
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Nov 29, 2008 19:34:37 GMT -5
Today at 2:12pm, used teamplayer wrote:
Quote:lowrider give us your latest ideas of whats happening with cmkx as the outer world spins at a high rate.
is the comglom perpared for the global money crisis or has that thrown a wrench in the soup?
i am tempted to buy shore at the low rates but feel if they cant pay us through cmkx bona then buying shore wont help.
and have you read the "bankcollapse" blogs? is he on target ?
lowriderbill
DIAMOND DIGGER
Re: Athabasca Oil Sands Photo
« Reply #11 Today at 5:00pm »
UTP,
I think the global crisis had to happen and is orchestrated to a certain extent. There's not enough space to go into the fraud and corruption permeating our government and the instituions that we trust to protect our financial futures. Suffice it to say that much progress has been made on the reform front already and our final outcome has always been tied to that economic reform.
As far as my opinion on the conglomerate, it appears that nothing has derailed that train. If you truly believe that our shares are tied to the greatest mineral discoveries of the modern age and that we will reap the rewards, then you'd be in the same camp as me. I believe that the next generation of wealth is being created through solid, tangible means where we can see, taste, smell, and feel the product. Not wealth based on future earnings, P/E ratios, lack of dividends, etc.
In regard to Shore Gold, I own the stock and have averaged down over the last few years. I believe it's a buy and hold that you put in the sock drawer and check on several years later. I'm not worried about the current price because the fundamentals of the company and progress it's reporting seem solid.
I haven't read the blogs you speak of. If I had a link I'd be happy to look at them though:)
In any event, all I've ever wanted is for shareholders to get paid. I have no agenda, ulterior motive, or reason to string anyone along. Everything I've contributed to date has been through my own hard work and that of others I've referenced (including some of whom would rather remain annonymous). Don't let the insecurity and negativity of others get you down if you believe in what you hold.
Have a good day...
Lowriderbill
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