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Post by goodolboy on Aug 18, 2010 8:56:41 GMT -5
JC, we are talking about this, because every time there is a failed date, a "new" poster brings up the how much would you take subject. The ploy couldn't be more obvious if they held up a sign saying, "I'm here to gauge the depths of your desperation in this matter." But still people fall for it every time. What part of We have set forth in the complaint what the shareholders are entitled to receive; compromise is not anything that the shareholders want, desire, or would tolerate or accept.
Do you not understand? Stand Tall For Urban Actually, we agree somewhat, but from polar opposite perspectives. With respect to the pps' being thrown out, and the years of failed dates, what has changed? Who has benefitted from this to date? It's not so much about what one will take to settle this as much as it is about motive in creating/manipulating such a long running storyline. If you look at this objectively, the only ones that have gained (to date) from payout dates and pps touts are those that sold their positions via deli or certain other individuals. No one else has seen a dime. Hopefully, Mr. Hodges amended suit will be filed soon providing evidence that will prove me wrong. But, until then all of this has done nothing more than aid in another pump and dump.
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Post by 2018 on Aug 18, 2010 10:00:11 GMT -5
Don't sell yourself short. Attorney Hodges stated the facts. $3.87 Trillion. This is for the Shareholders. Divide this by the actual outstanding shares, not the authorized outstanding shares because some of the shares were retired, then you will get the approximate amount per share. If you want to accept less, please keep it to yourself..don't advertise... you will not speed up the process...don't give them any more excuses to delay trying to figure out what Shareholders are willing to accept. The money is yours period! Contribute to those in need not in greed. Pay it forward, NOT Back! Thank you, BHollenegg Bob do you consider the naked shorted shares part of the outstanding? If not why not? These people purchased shares just as everyone else did. TIA well that is my point too. naked shorted shares as part of our outstanding. and in regards any influencing the other side or any side, we the shareholders never had much influence anyway. people have died and in the process nobody cared when they said how about some payment ... to help out shareholders. well none came. so the other side certainly does not care about what we say, and any kind of negotiating was always done by others for us.
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Post by maraman101 on Aug 18, 2010 11:03:27 GMT -5
Brigantine I think that last comment was directed toward me. Like I have some kind of agenda on this board, but hate to disappoint. I'm a shareholder like all of you and have heard all the broken promises year after year. Whats the old saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" I feel like where on the fool me 100 times. All I am saying is that we are going on faith. I have not seen any evidence of any money being ours. Ya we have Al and bob telling us there is, but thats it. There is know one in government saying that there is 3.87 trillion dollars waiting to be released. That number alone makes me think this whole thing is ridiculous, but I go with it. Just like when you buy a lottery ticket, the odds of winning very unlikely, but the odd of winning if you don't by a ticket zero. I look at it like I got cmkx ticket and it's unlikly that I will win, but there's a chance and if their's a way to speed up the process by accepting less to get this ordeal done with I think it should be put out there for everyone involved to make a decision. I hope there's money for us, beleive me I do. If there is I am going to be wealthy just like the rest of you.......
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Post by Ed Jagacki on Aug 18, 2010 12:11:25 GMT -5
maraman (Is that like Mara- Giants ownership?).
I seriously doubt that there is such an option (of settling for less). I would think that IF money is set aside, then it's simply a matter of getting it released. and IF the money is as much as is stated in the Bivens suit, then it's easy to imagine that powerful forces would be working to thwart the release to us common folk.
The discussion about taking less, is just idle conversation, imo. In my case, just an opportunity to remind myself of where where hopefulness ends and greed begins (for me).
Ed
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Post by Brigantine on Aug 18, 2010 12:26:59 GMT -5
Where hopeful ends and greed begins. That's an interesting concept. The only plans that I have, involve a classic boat I wish to restore, to retire and to establish my children and their progeny. We live simply because we choose to. That is not going to change.
I refuse to discuss taking less for the simple reason that this is about justice for me. Millions of lives have been destroyed by the greed and avarice of some pretty heinous people. The more money we receive, the better I will be able to do my part to make that right. Because without the likes of us, paying it forward, it will never happen.
Just last night, I made contact with a college friend who I had lost touch with 20 yrs ago. He got added to my list of people to help, when he told me the story of he and his wife both losing their jobs the day they broke ground on a new house, three years ago. He's been out of work since, living now in an RV trailer they had previously used as a weekend retreat.
No money to move forward, not even any prospects of a job. A professional videographer of nearly 30 yrs, he now volunteers his time doing remembrance videos for funerals. The thing that got me, is that even amongst the financial tragedy that was thrust upon him by others' greed, this is a happy man. Certainly a much better man than any of the multi billion dollar bonus babies at Goldman Sucks.
But, we need to get that money, before we can do what needs to be done.
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Post by flyfishfanatic on Aug 18, 2010 12:35:23 GMT -5
agreed...well said ...I would like to give back to the ones who need it...I would make sure that my parents and my wifes parents could finally retire, and do it comfortably. Luckily in my line of work, everyone is in demand and still has a job...for now
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Post by 2018 on Aug 18, 2010 14:11:30 GMT -5
If hodges wanted to state what is it per share he would. but he is refering people to go to his lawsuit.
its unclear if 3.87 is what he is suing for or what he thinks is collected for us or different.
But NO , i do not see factual info that i have to just go and divide 3.87 into 622 bilion or 703 billion or anything. at all. and that is my opinion.
so no, I do not find 6 dollars factual. And if somebody says that is right i would like that person to quote all the things from hodges lawsuit, word for word, that it shows to us that is it.
I actualy do not see absoulutely no numbers as factual , or complete in any way.
So all this numbers quessing .. is like debating wodans numbers and acca's numbers years ago. Its nothing.
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Post by 2018 on Aug 18, 2010 14:15:02 GMT -5
First somebody should quote whether Hodges said 3.87 is COLLECTED
OR IS HE SUING FOR IT.
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Post by ccohen5017 on Aug 18, 2010 14:16:34 GMT -5
right now all the shares we have combined are worth $0.00!
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Post by 2018 on Aug 18, 2010 14:20:50 GMT -5
Don't sell yourself short. Attorney Hodges stated the facts. $3.87 Trillion. This is for the Shareholders. Divide this by the actual outstanding shares, not the authorized outstanding shares because some of the shares were retired, then you will get the approximate amount per share. If you want to accept less, please keep it to yourself..don't advertise... you will not speed up the process...don't give them any more excuses to delay trying to figure out what Shareholders are willing to accept. The money is yours period! Contribute to those in need not in greed. Pay it forward, NOT Back! Thank you, BHollenegg BH, as far as i remember he is suing for 3.87 , or for them to release whatever is collected for us. that is a big difference. If you can find anyplace that he says, 3.87 is collected for us please post. but that is not the case as far as i remember. the number of 622 or whatever again, we dont know how many got canceled, and we dont know how many illegal shares that brokers paid for above the legal count of 703 or 622 are added to the count to be paid. so all and all we do not have any numbers we can even sincerely calculate. not the money, not the share count.
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Post by 2018 on Aug 18, 2010 14:24:06 GMT -5
i really dont want this to be a play on words.
and it has been so far.
again it has not been said that 3.87 is the number collected for us. if so , please post the quote.
the lawsuit said he is suing for that amount. if our moneys that have been collected are not released, but the number of dollars that has been collected has not been put out.
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now it could have been easy for hodges to just put out pps number. but he is not going to. neither he will talk about real amount of shares any dollars will be divided into. because it would show the nss. and we do not have the numbers either of canceled shares.
all these things are kept as secret. and will continue to be that way.
for that reason and all the reasons above, my opinion is that we do not have any real numbers to play with or calculate.
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Post by Ed Jagacki on Aug 18, 2010 14:27:40 GMT -5
First somebody should quote whether Hodges said 3.87 is COLLECTED OR IS HE SUING FOR IT. He's suing for the RELEASE of the Maheu-induced collection...
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Post by goodolboy on Aug 18, 2010 14:30:05 GMT -5
i really dont want this to be a play on words. and it has been so far. again it has not been said that 3.87 is the number collected for us. if so , please post the quote. the lawsuit said he is suing for that amount. if our moneys that have been collected are not released, but the number of dollars that has been collected has not been put out. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ now it could have been easy for hodges to just put out pps number. but he is not going to. neither he will talk about real amount of shares any dollars will be divided into. because it would show the nss. and we do not have the numbers either of canceled shares. all these things are kept as secret. and will continue to be that way. for that reason and all the reasons above, my opinion is that we do not have any real numbers to play with or calculate. Al States: 1. How Much Money – As I have said before, we have persuasive evidence to all of the facts alleged as such in the complaint; accordingly, there is a total of 3.87 Trillion Dollars.
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Post by delusionalgrandeur on Aug 18, 2010 14:33:37 GMT -5
Don't sell yourself short. Attorney Hodges stated the facts. $3.87 Trillion. This is for the Shareholders. Divide this by the actual outstanding shares, not the authorized outstanding shares because some of the shares were retired, then you will get the approximate amount per share. If you want to accept less, please keep it to yourself..don't advertise... you will not speed up the process...don't give them any more excuses to delay trying to figure out what Shareholders are willing to accept. The money is yours period! Contribute to those in need not in greed. Pay it forward, NOT Back! Thank you, BHollenegg I wholeheartedly agree bob! And like I told you before I will live up to my promises of radically changing "pay it forward" with 139 people on my trust beneficiary list.no joke, no bullshi*, no balls, no blue chips. With all due respect, sincerity and love bob, delusional grandeur
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Post by ATL on Aug 18, 2010 15:10:30 GMT -5
2) we have confirmed through inside sources at the Federal Reserve that our $3.8+T is held in a custodial account and is earmarked for us;
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