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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Aug 31, 2010 20:02:03 GMT -5
timonesock Dr. Of Diamonds Re: Updated Daily!! RUMORS ....Believe em' or NOT « Reply #244 Today at 2:35pm »
Whats the penalty for perjury in a Federal Court
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Post by imSINGLEruRICH on Aug 31, 2010 20:06:34 GMT -5
Warren_Pease Diamondologist Re: Updated Daily!! RUMORS ....Believe em' or NOT « Reply #257 Today at 5:50pm »
Brig. You've transcribed the sweet spot in Hodges' "testimony." No doubt about it. Everything depends on its being exactly as claimed ... and on the evidence to prove it.
I find a curious subtext to this transcription that hasn't been discussed to my knowledge. Take a closer look at the line, "the sec commissioners prevailed and convinced Mr. Maheu and his associates it had to be their decision because only they and the rest of the government could determine when this sting had fulfilled its function."
Let's assume for the moment that the sting and the trusts, and indeed the content of this last statement are FACTS.* By his own assertion, Hodges is claiming that we are due payment when the "sting (has) fulfilled its function." But who determines when that moment occurs? The answer, according to Hodges, is "The SEC." And how would Hodges know when that function is fulfilled?
If it's indeed the case that the SEC determines when the release of funds is appropriate, then for Hodges to claim a "taking," he must show that the sting's function has been "fulfilled." Otherwise we can wait until forever ... and a day.
....Warren
*Huge assumption, but for the sake of argument I'll resist my reservations.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brig. You've transcribed the sweet spot in Hodges' "testimony." No doubt about it. Everything depends on its being exactly as claimed ... and on the evidence to prove it.
I find a curious subtext to this transcription that hasn't been discussed to my knowledge. Take a closer look at the line, "the sec commissioners prevailed and convinced Mr. Maheu and his associates it had to be their decision because only they and the rest of the government could determine when this sting had fulfilled its function."
Let's assume for the moment that the sting and the trusts, and indeed the content of this last statement are FACTS.* By his own assertion, Hodges is claiming that we are due payment when the "sting (has) fulfilled its function." But who determines when that moment occurs? The answer, according to Hodges, is "The SEC." And how would Hodges know when that function is fulfilled?
If it's indeed the case that the SEC determines when the release of funds is appropriate, then for Hodges to claim a "taking," he must show that the sting's function has been "fulfilled." Otherwise we can wait until forever ... and a day.
....Warren
*Huge assumption, but for the sake of argument I'll resist my reservations.
Report to Mod - Link to Post - Back to Top Logged Brigantine Diamondologist Re: Updated Daily!! RUMORS ....Believe em' or NOT « Reply #258 Today at 5:52pm »
Good Point. However, Hodges also has stated several times that the SEC has on numerous occasions indicated that we would be paid momentarily. By virtue of having declared we are about to be paid, presumably the SEC has determined the sting has fulfilled its function. Warren_Pease Diamondologist Re: Updated Daily!! RUMORS ....Believe em' or NOT « Reply #259 Today at 5:55pm » Also a good point. Let's hope there's darn good proof of that. And let's hope, too, that the proof involves an explicit admission of the mission's "fulfillment."
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Post by beavis on Aug 31, 2010 21:55:49 GMT -5
An actual rumor on the rumor thread!... (fwiw of course) ------------------------------------ noahltl1.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cmkx1&action=display&thread=1807&page=9PJ very_tired15: Deli told me a couple days ago that he is no longer selling shares and turned down 2 cash offers to sell more. I hope that is a good sign. very_tired15: Hi TWW... I am of the belief that Deli is a part of this whole plan, even if he is limited in his scope of knowledge or participation. I believe him to be another hammer. THerefore, when he quits selling shares, it is my hope that such an action equates to him being so instructed because the T/A is in need of a firm list regarding distribution issues. My opinion of course. (1:08 PM) lilmav16: my friend also bought from deli this morning nd was told no more selling after that! (1:08 PM) very_tired15: THis morning? (1:08 PM) lilmav16: yes Allan! (1:09 PM) very_tired15: hmmm... then he changed his mind from 2 night s ago... wow, what a ride
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Post by harvard83 on Sept 1, 2010 0:17:38 GMT -5
"very_tired15: Deli told me a couple days ago that he is no longer selling shares and turned down 2 cash offers to sell more. I hope that is a good sign."
More likely that the SEC is hot on his trail again, lol
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Post by deltadon30228 on Sept 1, 2010 8:09:10 GMT -5
If Al re-files, means another delay, understand this is our government and they are calling the shots. We wait and see if Al files an amended complaint and What's in that complaint? ?? I'm sure the amended complaint (if filed) won't have any damaging evidence either but will slow the process down and I'm sure that's what the aim of the government is. This is not about Al slowing things down so to speak, but rather the government, so please if he files don't get angry with Mr. Hodges, he's only doing what he has to or needs to. Stay supportive of him and the plaintiffs. With all the rumors flying stay grounded, remember "When" not if. We've been through this before. Don, IMHO!
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Post by ishmel on Sept 1, 2010 8:41:39 GMT -5
"very_tired15: Deli told me a couple days ago that he is no longer selling shares and turned down 2 cash offers to sell more. I hope that is a good sign." More likely that the SEC is hot on his trail again, lol From what I know, talking with new shareholders I know, who bought shares from Deli just days ago, that he is not supposed to advertise a share price anywhere once so ever. However, their is nothing stopping him from individuals contacting him to seek a share price and strike a deal. Any yes their certs are showing in the TA for for the folks who bought a few weeks ago. I don't know why deli said he is not selling anymore currently (if he actually said that at all), but I think the SEC being on his tail isn't it. Curious as to why he may have stopped.
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Post by marbearcat on Sept 1, 2010 11:48:49 GMT -5
If Al re-files, means another delay, understand this is our government and they are calling the shots. We wait and see if Al files an amended complaint and What's in that complaint? ?? I'm sure the amended complaint (if filed) won't have any damaging evidence either but will slow the process down and I'm sure that's what the aim of the government is. This is not about Al slowing things down so to speak, but rather the government, so please if he files don't get angry with Mr. Hodges, he's only doing what he has to or needs to. Stay supportive of him and the plaintiffs. With all the rumors flying stay grounded, remember "When" not if. We've been through this before. Don, IMHO! This whole thing is a never ending story in my opinion. And a roller coaster of a ride too. First we're geared to not expect a filing, (al's words?) Now we are geared to expect a filing. As Jboy has said many times...And the circus rolls on.
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Post by deltadon30228 on Sept 1, 2010 11:52:48 GMT -5
If Al re-files, means another delay, understand this is our government and they are calling the shots. We wait and see if Al files an amended complaint and What's in that complaint? ?? I'm sure the amended complaint (if filed) won't have any damaging evidence either but will slow the process down and I'm sure that's what the aim of the government is. This is not about Al slowing things down so to speak, but rather the government, so please if he files don't get angry with Mr. Hodges, he's only doing what he has to or needs to. Stay supportive of him and the plaintiffs. With all the rumors flying stay grounded, remember "When" not if. We've been through this before. Don, IMHO! This whole thing is a never ending story in my opinion. And a roller coaster of a ride too. First we're geared to not expect a filing, (al's words?) Now we are geared to expect a filing. As Jboy has said many times...And the circus rolls on. No one has said AL IS FILING. Wait and see first before you come unglued. Don, IMHO!
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Post by TallyHo on Sept 1, 2010 11:58:12 GMT -5
If Al re-files, means another delay, understand this is our government and they are calling the shots. We wait and see if Al files an amended complaint and What's in that complaint? ?? I'm sure the amended complaint (if filed) won't have any damaging evidence either but will slow the process down and I'm sure that's what the aim of the government is. This is not about Al slowing things down so to speak, but rather the government, so please if he files don't get angry with Mr. Hodges, he's only doing what he has to or needs to. Stay supportive of him and the plaintiffs. With all the rumors flying stay grounded, remember "When" not if. We've been through this before. Don, IMHO! This whole thing is a never ending story in my opinion. And a roller coaster of a ride too. First we're geared to not expect a filing, (al's words?) Now we are geared to expect a filing. As Jboy has said many times...And the circus rolls on. No wonder this thing has gotten out a hand. Too many people taking rumors started by nobodies and treating them as fact. After a few people begin to state them as fact, then everyone just starts to believe it as fact. As Don said, AH has not retracted his stance that he won't have to file. You have one source for information with this thing. That one source is AH. That does not inlcude a d*mn thing any plaintiff says unless the preface their statement with....."AH asked me to pass this on," or something to that affect. Is it that hard to chill out and wait and not fuel the disinformation fire?
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Post by marbearcat on Sept 1, 2010 12:01:53 GMT -5
This whole thing is a never ending story in my opinion. And a roller coaster of a ride too. First we're geared to not expect a filing, (al's words?) Now we are geared to expect a filing. As Jboy has said many times...And the circus rolls on. No one has said AL IS FILING. Wait and see first before you come unglued. Don, IMHO! LOL! Don baby, I became "unglued" back at the end of 2006. I'm now held together with the little wire bread bag twists!!!!! But I'll try to keep my composure!!!! Have a good day Don!!!!!
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Post by marbearcat on Sept 1, 2010 12:05:16 GMT -5
This whole thing is a never ending story in my opinion. And a roller coaster of a ride too. First we're geared to not expect a filing, (al's words?) Now we are geared to expect a filing. As Jboy has said many times...And the circus rolls on. No wonder this thing has gotten out a hand. Too many people taking rumors started by nobodies and treating them as fact. After a few people begin to state them as fact, then everyone just starts to believe it as fact. As Don said, AH has not retracted his stance that he won't have to file. You have one source for information with this thing. That one source is AH. That does not inlcude a d*mn thing any plaintiff says unless the preface their statement with....."AH asked me to pass this on," or something to that affect. Is it that hard to chill out and wait and not fuel the disinformation fire? All kidding aside, Al could squash these rumors if he wanted to but doesn't. So these rumors are associated with him. Sorry but it's the way it is. If I was the attorney and Acca said I said this or that and it was not true, you bet your bippy I'd get the word out that acca is not correct. And that goes for Sheilla and Wyatt-Erp!
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Post by diamondogg11 on Sept 1, 2010 12:09:10 GMT -5
This whole thing is a never ending story in my opinion. And a roller coaster of a ride too. First we're geared to not expect a filing, (al's words?) Now we are geared to expect a filing. As Jboy has said many times...And the circus rolls on. No one has said AL IS FILING. Wait and see first before you come unglued. Don, IMHO! dude.. you're the one who just posted "If Al refiles..." the poster was partly responding to your post imo so many people on these boards posting "as if" they know what is going on.. so far.. we know how many predictions have come true.. people have a right to feel frustrated.. dd, IMO!
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Post by TallyHo on Sept 1, 2010 12:09:33 GMT -5
No wonder this thing has gotten out a hand. Too many people taking rumors started by nobodies and treating them as fact. After a few people begin to state them as fact, then everyone just starts to believe it as fact. As Don said, AH has not retracted his stance that he won't have to file. You have one source for information with this thing. That one source is AH. That does not inlcude a d*mn thing any plaintiff says unless the preface their statement with....."AH asked me to pass this on," or something to that affect. Is it that hard to chill out and wait and not fuel the disinformation fire? All kidding aside, Al could squash these rumors if he wanted to but doesn't. So these rumors are associated with him. Sorry but it's the way it is. If I was the attorney and Acca said I said this or that and it was not true, you bet your bippy I'd get the word out that acca is not correct. And that goes for Sheilla and Wyatt-Erp! Point taken........agreed. That said......maybe he just doesn't have the time nor want to take the effort to control rumors. they run so rampant with this thing that it would be a never ending battle.
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Post by sunbeam777 on Sept 1, 2010 12:15:48 GMT -5
royalstarofthelion: (11:04 AM) jfarn: My understanding is that we are on the run way and waiting for the tower for clearance for take off
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Post by beavis on Sept 1, 2010 12:18:08 GMT -5
All kidding aside, Al could squash these rumors if he wanted to but doesn't. So these rumors are associated with him. Sorry but it's the way it is. If I was the attorney and Acca said I said this or that and it was not true, you bet your bippy I'd get the word out that acca is not correct. And that goes for Sheilla and Wyatt-Erp! Point taken........agreed. That said......maybe he just doesn't have the time nor want to take the effort to control rumors. they run so rampant with this thing that it would be a never ending battle. I know what you are saying... still, the one big rumor, the one from Allan T. in which he said he spoke directly to Al, and Al said there was no way he would have to file, that one at least, if not true, should be addressed by Al, imo, cause it's coming from his own plaintiff, and a fellow attorney! Not to mention that Pongo, who has claimed to have spoken with Al in the past, which I bet he has, has said the same thing. I guess we can just wait and see, but if it isn't true, then that would suck to have waited to find out what could easily be cleared up. And if it is true, and Al knows that there is no way that he will have to file, then he must know that we will be paid before the filing deadline, right? d*mn, I need a good rumor right about now... I'm running low imo.
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